Does the Spread Work?

Submitted by MaizeNBlue on
Oregon thinks so - they racked up over 600 total yards on the Trojans and they made it look easy. It's all about the players on the team + experience and as I watched (although their spread is different than ours), they have shiftier players than we do that are faster than ours. 47-20 in Eugene with the QB Masoli out-running the USC defense for 150 yards of rushing and out-gunning Barkley without having to look deep. All of this vs. a top 5 team with top 5 talent, at 52 degrees, at night, & in the rain. Say what you will, but when you have a solid defense and the right personnel, the spread is incredible. Anyways, I'm out. Happy Halloween everybody! EDIT: Sorry for some of the double statements. I was a bit out of it when I posted but the thoughts still stand.

fatbastard

October 31st, 2009 at 11:32 PM ^

More importantly, there was just another Sparty NOOOOOOOOO! moment. Stopped Minny and forced a punt from midfield. Sparty roughed the punter and Minny runs out the clock for an 8 point victory.

dakotapalm

October 31st, 2009 at 11:32 PM ^

At first I thought you were an idiot. Then I clicked on the link and realized it was a rhetorical question. Good evidence against those who make the inane argument that the Spread won't work in the cold and brutal Big10. +1.

Bryan

October 31st, 2009 at 11:34 PM ^

I didn't think your title would lead to your post, but wow, 600 yards?! USC has now lost the last four times they have played in the state of Oregon. Twice to both OSU and UO.

joeyb

October 31st, 2009 at 11:45 PM ^

What makes their spread different than ours? I am honestly asking because, from my perspective, their offense looks near identical to our except they have a pistol package and they execute it well.

AMazinBlue

October 31st, 2009 at 11:53 PM ^

a QB that is as Musberger kept saying, "he's sturdy". Masoli is bigger and bulkier than either of our QBs and he seems to have a better command of the offense. The other key thing, they have downfield threats at WR. We don't have anyone who can get open down field. If we did, Tate wouldn't have to keep running around like a chicken with his head cut off. We need a Manningham or Braylon right now. I would also guess, their O line is more experienced than ours. They've been running the spread for a while out there.

KinesiologyNerd

November 1st, 2009 at 12:03 AM ^

Masoli is 5'11" 220 pounds. More importantly, he is a junior, and second year starter. I should hope he has a better handle on the offense than two freshman. It's kinda like if Sheridan had the athletic prowess to run the offense, I'm willing to bet that kid has the playbook down pat.

maizenbluedevil

November 1st, 2009 at 12:04 AM ^

I too noticed the "sturdy" comment re. Masoli. Masoli is 5'11", 220, per Oregon's website Robinson: 6'0" 185 Forcier: 6'1" 188 (both per M website) So, he has 32-35 pounds on our QBs and is slightly shorter. FWIW Gardner is 6'4" 195 per Rivals. Pat White is 6'0" 197, per Wikipedia. In other words, Masoli is sturdier than our current QBs + Gardner, but, White is the counterpoint that sturdiness is a necessity in spread QBs. (That is, if we're taking weight as a good indicator of sturdiness, which it might not be.)

Durham Blue

November 1st, 2009 at 12:20 AM ^

for Oregon because their QB is experienced, talented, fast and plays within the system. Tate is young and will get better. The painful part is the in-between time as our QB's gain experience. It's ugly right now but I know we'll be at the Oregon level in a few years.

M-Dog

November 1st, 2009 at 12:24 AM ^

They both did a good job of making it look like they had made their read and handed the ball off, only to pull it back to themselves very late in the play. When Juice did it, our defense ran right by him while he just scampered away. We still have a lot to learn and a long way to go with this offense. We can say that we do not run it well (because of execution or personnel or both). We can not say that we've seen it and make a judgement as to whether it works for us or not.

antoo

November 1st, 2009 at 12:31 AM ^

but I can't post a new thread since I lack the points(which I completely understand and agree with), I'd figure I'd ask a quick question here. ESPN's box score of our game says Denard completed a pass for 7 yds. I don't remember seeing him in the game but then again I am an idiot buuuuut I believe Craig James also said DRob didn't see the field today so it's just an error on the box score's part, right? http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=293040356

MGrad

November 1st, 2009 at 12:39 AM ^

Yes, the spread works. Michigan's defense does not function effectively with its current level of depth, skills and talent. Saying more than that would be saying too much, because it is that simple. Rebuilding quickly is the best hope, so I hope the coaches are putting in OT to get every recruit that they can. Offensively, it is a difficult moment. A M receiver getting caught from behind with a 10 yard head start to the end zone epitomizes the offensive talent gap from prior years. The phantom tackler was all over the field against our offensive players today, and seems to molest Carlos Brown relentlessly. Adding to it, I really think Tate is significantly injured, and the passing game is further restricted. The net effect seems to be that Michigan does not present the kind of combined offense and defense that will overcome major setbacks, be it mistakes or leads. It seems a little exasperating, but the current record has been foreshadowed for quite some time. This is a year where we fans need to suck it up and cheer the team on and hope for the best, but not be naive to probabilities.

MGrad

November 1st, 2009 at 10:27 AM ^

The talent gap and the coach regime are certainly interrelated, but not necessarily as directly as you state. Regardless of recruit class that a player came from, the clear talent gap is now. The effects of poor or dismantled recruiting classes and poor seasons linger on past their days. There's been a ton of posts on this already, so I'll leave it at that.

tomhagan

November 1st, 2009 at 12:58 AM ^

IT IS NOT THE SCHEME. REPEAT: IT IS NOT THE FUCKING SCHEME. IT IS THE EXECUTION OF THE SCHEME. When Young Players are coached Quickly and without repeated repetition on Key Fundamentals: THEY WILL FAIL AT EVERY FUCKING SCHEME REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE SCHEME IS.

nazooq

November 1st, 2009 at 1:51 AM ^

After watching Oregon's offense manhandle USC's bevy of 5 stars, I got curious about their OL. According to the detailed box score on the UO website, http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=3377&SPID=233&DB_LANG=C&D… Oregon started LT 74 Weems, Darrion - 4 star - sophomore LG 69 Thran, Bo - 3 star - junior C 5D Holmes, Jordan - 2 star - junior RG 77 York, Carson - 4 star - RS Freshman RT 68 Kaiser, C.E. - 2 star - junior (All star rankings from Rivals) One of the reasons the Oregon OL looked so dominant is that the skill players executed at a very high level so the USC defense was never sure what was coming at them. But comparing their performance against Michigan's OL which has a similar level of experience and higher recruiting rankings, it's impossible not to come away frustrated with their struggles against a poor Illinois DL.

Tater

November 1st, 2009 at 5:54 AM ^

It looked pretty good from both teams that made the NC game last year, and it will look a lot better around UM with an experienced, non-injured QB. As someone already posted, Oregon looked pretty good with it, too. As soon as there are enough experienced personnel to execute the offense, it will work at UM. If anyone seriously thinks they should bag the spread and go back to Wisky-style football, think of the consequences; it would set the program back at least three more years. The reason we are seeing problems right now is that it takes a more talented QB to run the spread than it does to run a pro-set. As we also saw, the rewards are far greater once a team's personnel is in place. I wish there was a fast forward button I could hit and get to next season, when Forcier should be healed, DRob will have a lot more experience and coaching, and DG will be in the mix. And, of course, the defense should be better from having grown a year, and the additions of Turner and Witty might help from the speed standpoint. Since there is no fast forward button, though, I guess I'll just watch the rest of the season, enjoy whatever good comes of the last three games, and remind myself that the bad is only temporary.

raleighwood

November 1st, 2009 at 9:00 AM ^

I don't see how the defense is going to be any better next year with the loss of the best player (BG) and possible loss of the second best player (DW). Hopefully Warren will stay for his senior year. The recruiting on the defensive side of the ball hasn't been that impressive in a while (that includes the Carr years) and I really don't see the light at the end of the tunnel as far as defensive struggles go.

NJWolverine

November 1st, 2009 at 8:49 AM ^

While the team is currently struggling in the B10, once they garner a few conference wins and play legit outside competition, we should see better results. That's what we wanted after App. State and the bowl losses and that's what we're eventually going to get if everyone stays patient.

bluebyyou

November 1st, 2009 at 9:10 AM ^

Nothing against Oregon's victory last night, but USC has been hit with the injury bug big time on offense. Between the weight room incident and a couple of WR's missing last night, USC's O was very compromised. Sound familiar? Molk, Odoms and a dinged up Minor didn't help. I'm trying to put a good side on a horribly bad afternoon. Does anyone know the story with Minor? Note the story about Minor in Ann Arbor.com: http://www.annarbor.com/sports/michigan-running-back-brandon-minor-bare…

MaizeNBlue

November 1st, 2009 at 12:35 PM ^

USC may be somewhat injury hampered, but Oregon didn't have a few key players on their sideline (most notably, Blount). USC has the overall depth where they should be able to replace players and not have a HUGE dropoff (because, of course, there will inevitably be a drop off between players who have had playing time and ones who haven't).