I'm there with you. That is pretty bad. I had never heard the song or of him.
I'm there with you. That is pretty bad. I had never heard the song or of him.
comrade. The Warsaw Pact keeping the peace.
I still hope he can be as good as Bo. But does a man who plays Josh Groban in public remind me of Bo?
No. If that's your basis almost every college football coach not named Nick Saban remind me of Bo. And particularly Mike Gundy.
Thank you for this post. Coach Rodriguez definitely reminds me of Bo. He has a plan, he's implementing it, and we are showing progress. I grew up with Bo. I watched Mike Lantry miss field goals in 1973 and 74. Bump Elliot left a lot more talent in the cupboard than Accidental-coach Carr. . Coach Rodriguez knows what he's doing - he's proven that every where he's coached. What I don't understand is why some Michigan fans do not support Coach Rodriguez. He became coach AFTER Accidental-coach Carr lost to Appy State and was blown out at home 38-9 by Oregon. Obviously, to me as a long time fan, our program was in a shambles because of Carr. Thankfully, we have a coach now who knows what he's doing.
Well said. People are so blind.
To say that Carr left the program in shambles is a utter lie.Yes, it had lost its edge, but that it was not in "shambles". Shambles is what Millen did to the Lions. Carr left talent--anyone who follows UM recruiting knows that. It wasn't experienced talent or talent that fit RR's scheme, but he left talent.
Lloyd Carr won a NT, 5 Big Ten titles, and over 100 games at UM.He ran the program with class and integrity. Yet, you are tearing him down to build RichRod up. That is no way to win people over to Rich Rodriguez' side.
i'm not going to bash carr. i was never a big fan of his but he did win a NC under his watch. i was there in pasadena and it was something i will always treasure.
however, he did not leave much underclassmen talent when he left; despite the "rankings". true, we lost mallett and boren, but offense hasn't been the problem the past two years.
where is all of the upper class talent on D right now? that's where we are hurting big time. and that's almost exclusively the carr regime's fault.
The secondary is. Martin, Banks, Mouton, Obi all upperclassmen, and the secondary should have Troy and Warren in it. The fact that our safety development has somehow gotten even worse than under Carr is where we're really hurting (and that our system creates two hybrid safety guys to fill). Our turnover and recruiting failures on D have been worse the last couple of years. And for every Graham who the staff is given all the credit for developing, there's an Obi who's gotten worse (always credit for talented players for looking talented, but the guys who regress? Lloyd recruited them).
but talent. sure there are several upperclassmen in the front seven and perhaps you could argue that they should be "coached up" to play better. but why is it that frosh/sophs (and walkons) are getting significant playing time over these guys? it's silly to think the younger guys are getting "coached up" more than the older guys. i'm guessing the talent level isn't there. actually it's not really a guess. it's not there.
The defensive staff has shown no ability to coach a decent defense in three years, yet you want us to believe that everything is talent relate.
Sorry, but I do not buy that. The rankings-- the only measure we have-simply do
not. support your hypothesis.
but I agree with you here. It isn't that we don't have talent on this defense, we don't have good defensive coaching. Whether it is because the coordinator doesn't get the scheme or the assistants and coordinator don't know how to develop talent, I don't know. There is definitely a problem with the defensive coaching staff though, that is certain. We have talent on D, but they need to be developed and this D staff is not able to do that (at least they haven't been able to up to this point).
I'm sure you gave no credit to Rich or Barwis, because it's all in the talent that Lloyd recruited for him.
Patterson: 4 star, Jonas Mouton, 4 star, Van Bergen 4 star, Mike Martin 4 star, Ezeh under Carr was a Freshman All American. He also left Warren who left early along with a bunch of three star guys. The entire front 7 was highly recruited. Carr also left Brandon Graham. Could it have been better? Sure, I guess he could have retired when he wanted to and left the 06 defense. But it's hardly like there was 0 talent left by Carr.
in theory, you should recruit 2-deep at every position every year. your list contains what 7 guys total? and a couple of those flamed out.
I was just showing that it's not as has been asserted that he left no talent. I also didn't include guys from the 08 class that I couldn't remember whether they were a Carr or Rodriguez recruit. Guys flame out on every team, that's why you have 4 classes not 2. There was plenty there for Rodriguez to build on.
Was it an outstanding D? No. But it was hardly like there was nothing there. Our starting front 7 and strength of the defense are all Carr guys. Them not getting better isn't Carr's fault. They were highly recruited.
So you should have recruiting classes of 44 guys every year? Saban, is that you?
Got us an accidental national championship, 6 accidental double digit win seasons, and 5 accidental Big Ten titles.
Despiration is a stinky cologne. The lengths people go to defend a coach that can't go .500 in conference. Lloyd Carr was one of the great coaches in Michigan history on and off the field, but somehow hes at blame for all of this. "Left the program in shambles". This is getting out of control.
Just no. Improvement is more than wins and losses.
So you agree with the premise that lloyd was an "accidental coach", and "left the program in shambles"?
yes. for sure.
leave the program in shambles. no. but significantly worse than its peak in the early 2000s. and left the worst talent i've ever seen here on D; outside of a select few upperclassmen.
Created by Carr?
And the defense wasn't talentless in 2008. The coaching on that side of the ball blew that year (and pretty much every year since...or we wouldn't be calling for D coaches heads....again).
So that pretty much makes you an enormous idiot.
And people will get on here and hate, but I pay them no mind. Love that man, media is the devil. I speak from personal experience. It's tragic really that people try to talk shit about people to get money and the public buys it. Pathetic really.
RR does remind me of Bo.. If Bo cried like a girl and sang Josh Groban.
Your disfunctional football team and coach have enough of their own problems. Just go back to ND Nation and vent your spleen there.
But I love you guys too much. Plus you are glorious entertainment for me.
But kinda funny.
Better than your average trolling.
I can't hate RR because I LOVE this team. I pretty much plan out how much I need to drink in order to watch the defense, but its that one play they make out of 20 that makes me so proud of them. Its that couple offensive possesions in the game where I think if we stop killing ourselves we can beat anyone. Its Lewan hate riding donkeys. Its the Mike Martin Hulk smash. Its EVERYTIME Denard smiles. It just feels to me, if I'm against RR I'm against everything that is good right now. I feel like if I bail on RR, I'm bailing on this team that I love to death.
I don't really care if RR and Bo are anything alike. I don't care if RR and Lloyd are anything alike. I do know RR has put most of this team together, and yes they drop easy passes, and they make stupid personal fouls, and they turn the ball over way too much, and they cant tackle, and they cant cover receivers, and they cant kick field goals, and probably a million other things. I love this team.
I can already hear "How far we have fallen" so be it, I couldn't care less, I love this team. Whatever keeps this team together fighting for each other, I'm all for.
I know its year 3 and we got OMG ran over by osu, and our defense seems to be getting worse, and our offense isnt scoring on nearly every drive even though we put up a buzzilion yards. I still do not care.
I also dont care about grammer obviously (don't) I wasnt a smart enof for UM, so I gots to go to Iraq for two years instead. lol. Again, sorry had to vent.
What branch of the service do you belong to?
Anyone who mocks your grammer deserves to get negged to oblivion. Veterans represent the rock upon which our society rests.
There is probably nothing worse than having a slumping football team while in the Military. Everybody talks crap about your team. Too many people from too many states. Best part was my roommate was a huge florida fan, and was suckin off tebow before the cap 1 bowl. 2nd best part was I missed watching the Appy state game because I had duty.
No one on App St was shooting at us. I salute you.
I pretty much plan out how much I need to drink in order to watch the defense
This is exactly how I felt watching the defense as well. Obviously, that's not the football I want to see going forward. But what to do about it?
The offense will be fine, perhaps even amazing. The defense, however, is a stinking pile, and if things remain the same, it will stay that way. Forget about what was done previously; what we have now is a defense that's playing in a mentally and physically deficient way as a unit. Positioning, including contain issues and gap responsibilties, making proper reads, tackling, and coverage skills are all lacking. With isolated exceptions, the players have not improved measurably throughout the season, and there is little evidence that much, if any, coaching is going on. With this being a reality, it's clear that Greg Robinson and most of the position coaches on defense must go and be replaced with better personnel. Assuming this happens, then I'm okay with Rich staying.
I say I'm only okay with that because something has happened with the Michigan brand during Rich's tenure here. So many decommits and problems with eligibility are not the norm as far as I know. Good reasons for each departure have been offered up, but when taken together, they indicate something systemic. We may never know what that is, but I perceive it to be present. Also, Rich's stubbornness with regard to defensive scheme and his apparent disinterent in building a quality defense with skilled coaches are worrisome qualities. Michigan needs a quality defense to rise above mid-pack in the Big Ten. Thus, Brandon's dilemma is deciding whether the defense can be fixed with Rich at the helm.
Personally, I don't care what happens with the coaching situation as long as Michigan returns to be a top-tier team nationally.
I'm reminded of the 1976 World Series (OK...I'm dating myself now) when someone tried to compare Thurman Munson (1976 AL MVP), a mighty fine player himself, to the greatest catcher in my lifetime, Johnny Bench.
The late, great Captain Hook (Sparky Anderson, love ya for the 1984 World Championship) said,
"Don't you ever compare ANYONE to Johnny Bench!"
It's not fair to RichRod, Jim Harbaugh, or anyone to be compared to Bo.
Bo is BO --- no one can be BO but BO.
But, I will say, no matter who is our Michigan Coach is a MICHIGAN MAN to me!
There are a lot of similarities between RR and many aspects of the history of Michigan football from Yost to Crisler to many others. However, he is not any of them. It seems like people keep trying to link RR with the history of Michigan football because so many of us keep trying to seperate him and make him an outcast. Support the Program, support the coaching staff, support the administration. Being loyal is one of the virtues of being a Michigan man. And remember that right now until something changes JH is a Stanford man not a Michigan man.
"And remember that right now until something changes JH is a Stanford man not a Michigan man."
I was in school when Jimmy led us to victory with a brilliant 18-for-21 performance vs. tOSU, but you are DAMN RIGHT. My last game as an engineering senior. He is a Stanford coach. Love the guy but profess loyalty to MICHIGAN, and its coaches.
...comments are better than the board posts - + 1 for eloquently summarizing everything a lot of us want to say, and not starting a redundant thread to do it
I won't diss Lloyd one bit. Yes, I think he "tired" in his later years, whether due to stress or a personal health condiiton, but being at the 1995 and 1997 wins over OSU means a lot to me. Plus, who could not have loved the Florida win???
My only "criticism" of Lloyd is that I think his assts assumed that they had a job for life and didn't prepare the team properly for games. How else does Gary Russell run for 50+ yds on 3rd and 9 when Glen Mason is running out the clock????? Plus, the HORROR.
The talent dropped off, certainly (look at our draft picks), but assts have to make sales pitches for UM as well.
Think Rod Smith doesn't have some sway on guys like Dee Hart???
He doesn't remind me of Bo. Seems like a good guy to have a beer with, though.
Do burritos remind you of tacos, or what? I mean, I get upset when people hate tacos because they're crunchy, and say burritos were never crunchy ever. But look at tacos: they can be crunchy at times, but they can also be made with tortillas, which make them soft, like burritos!
Also, I don't like it when people say that the onions in tacos make my eyes sting when I eat them, but burritos can burn people's mouths if the heat inside pressurizes the beans within and it blows up in your face. What's up with that?!
Also, I remember when burritos were made with beef more, but now people put more beans in them, and tacos seem to have more beef than ever, which I'm fine with. It just goes to show you that tacos and burritos are more similar than you think. Shit pisses me off!
He doesn't remind me of Lloyd. He doesn't remind me of Weiss. He doesn't remind me of John L. He doesn't remind me of Harbaugh. He doesn't even remind me of Rich at W. Virginia. He's his own unique animal, the likes of which I've never seen around here before. And we're still seeing if that's a good thing or not.
If Rich is not retained, can we just state that he is a Michigan Man? He can come back eventually, and stand on the sidelines as a former coach, and not in shame. I admit that he is not my favorite coach, but he is one of us now.
I'll go with "what."
Yeah. Final answer.
Strange, Don Nehlen thought Rodriguez was pretty similar to Bo.
As an older Buckeye fan I have to say this thread of RR reminding people of Bo is pretty sick....and by that I mean not good.
And the recent posts about Carr are crazy...UM clown stomped FLA with almighty Tebow...something SEC'ers quickly sweep under the rug. The score was closer than it should have been.
Do us all favor and beat Miss St.
players really like RICH ROD that's very telling as you people always say.
To answer the question, no, RR does NOT remind me of Bo. Not at all.