If These Walls Could Talk?
That's an excellent read.
If These Walls Could Talk?
That's an excellent read.
In 1984 Ronald Reagan tried to link himself to Bruce Springsteen during a campaign stop in New Jersey. Springsteen was riding high on "Born In The USA" at the time. He also tended to lean to the left and didn't exactly embrace Reagen's politics. He had to come out publicly to disassociate himself from Reagen.
My intention isn't to be political, it's just saying that Bo is dead and he can't speak for himself. It bothers me when people try to link him to RR just to support the coaches' cause. He will survive (or not) based on the merits of his performance. Bo has nothing to do with it.
I'd suggest that 90+% of players at all schools love their coaches. That's not unique to Bo or RR or Lloyd Carr or Jim Harbaugh or Urban Meyer or Nick Saban. For the most part, it's the nature of the game. That's why players keep coming back year after year.
This has got nothing to do with my perception of the football banquet (or your perception of my perception). I simply think that it's disrespect to try to link Bo to something to further a personal agenda. The man is dead and cannot speak for himself.
Dude, whatever you say I'm listening. I can't help but imagine your avatar is saying it to me,and it sounds cool. Very cool.
I'm not talking about Falk. The OP tried to link RR to Bo. "Does RR Remind You Of Bo Or What". The whole premise was that RR's players like him and Bo's players like him. That was the common thread.
That's like saying RR liked bacon with his scrambled eggs and so did Bo. Two peas in a pod.
My preference is to let RR's record speak for itself and to leave Bo out of the discussion. It's pretty simple.
How is a guy on mgoblog posting that he feels there are similarities between Bo and RR someone trying to push their personal agenda? This guy posting....he isn't RR and that is the agenda you say is trying to be pushed. Am I missing something here or is this poster actually RR trying to convince everyone here is very similar to Bo?
Also, he made more comparisons between the two than "the players like them". If you don't agree that's fine, we don't always have to agree on this here blog. However, just because you don't see similarities, doesn't mean someone else isn't allowed to.
Lastly, as I stated firstly, a person on mgoblog mentioning they feel there are similarities between RR and Bo doesn't equate someone pushing a person agenda unless that poster is RR himself, which I am pretty sure this isn't.
somewhere on here is the exact quote from Falk's book comparing RR to Bo.
Given time, Falk is convinced that Rodriguez will bring Michigan back to its proper place of prominence.
But progress has become apparent.
Having been a player under Bo, new athletic director Dave Brandon is the perfect leader of the department at this time.
"Rich is intense about his job," Falk said. "Very intense. He's got a vision for what he wants his program to be. It's all about the team. It's not about individuals. The intensity of practices is just like Bo's..."
"The beautiful part about him, though, is that he has the ability to laugh at himself. He's got a great sense of humor. I can jab him and he jabs right back. That's a very important quality for anyone in a job as intense as his..."
Sounds like Jon Falk, has a lot of faith in RR. He also compares Michigan's transition to those at USC, OSU, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Alabama... all went through significant changes and suffered through some down times over the last few decades.
no one wants to hear good, relevant information.
Jon Falk works for UM. Do you really think he will say anything negative about Rich Rodriguez?
That said, I have to assume that Falk is being honest. It's good to hear.
Just because he works for UM doesn't mean he HAS to say positive things about the coach. He could simply say nothing at all which isn't saying anything negative. Your line of reasoning here is absurd.
I can confidently say that Bo would remind everyone in and out of the athletic department that it's about the team, the team, the team. "We're not gonna criticize each other, we're not gonna talk about each other. We're gonna encourage each other." He would tell every last one who isn't on board with giving Michigan student-athletes the best possible chance to succeed, regardless of what people think of the head coach, they ought to STFU or GTFO.
The media in the Detroit area has been over the top obnoxious and childish about every thing RR says . They really are disgusting and mostly a bunch of losers.
And too many RR supporters here are childish and obnoxious in their blind support of RR.
I agree the guy hasn't really gotten a fair shake, and its been a tough 3 years. With that said, I'll never understand the undying loyalty some of you have for a coach that has underacheived and doesn't even have a single upset in 3 seasons.
one could say that you're just as blind
Ah yes, Wisconsin went 3-5 in the Big Ten that year.
And lost to Toledo. Pretty sure they would call it an upset. Minnesota was a bowl team that year that we beat handily on the road. Another upset.
We were an underdog against Notre Dame the last two years as well (and they would go on to have as good or better overall records both seasons).
Let me guess though, you are still pissed because you are really just mad because we lost games and not because we failed arrange our few wins so that they all came against awesome teams.
Your post makes little sense. Who were you responding too?
I don't think it's undying loyalty. I just think that some of us are able to see some of the problems that he has had are not his fault. He has caused some of his own problems but most of them were not his fault.
People support this team and its coach. When lloyd was getting smoked by OSU, Oregon, Ap. St., I supported him as well and went down to the bowl game in Florida to support him in his last game. Its not about being childish at all.. it is about complete support for this university. Whether you like him or not, he is our coach and I will support him. Are you calling his players childish and obnoxious? because seems like they support him too..
that RR "hasn't really gotten a fair shake." THAT'S the understatement of the year. Coach Rodriguez hasn't merely "not gotten a fair shake"; he's been under attack. An active, malicious campaign. To hurt and undermine the head coach, irrespective of the cost to the team and the University.
Apart from that, you can't understand "loyalty" to the team and the head coach?
"Coach Rodriguez hasn't merely "not gotten a fair shake"; he's been under attack. An active, malicious campaign."
Now I get it! Thats why his defense can't tackle and his kickers can't kick!
Bo said about termites too.
Now John, you see that foundation? There's termites living there.
And they live there every day. And you don't see em' until you start losing a little bit.
And when you lose, they'll start crawling out. Now what we'll do is, when they crawl out,
we'll get their names, and remember their faces. And when we start winning again
we'll know who we can trust.
If this is your line of reason..."a coach that has underacheived and doesn't even have a single upset in 3 seasons."...I guess we also have to believe Lloyd Carr was the worst coach ever because he was the coach during the biggest upset in Michigan's history???
I'm as upset about the losing and the NCAA violations as the next person, but you're correct. The criticism of RR has gotten to the point where he can't do anything right.
People are actually using Groban-gate to question RR's integrity. Seriously. Maybe they should ask the Mealer family about RR's character.
Wow man, you're right. If they had just thought of this earlier they would have been trying all season. I'm sure they were just kinda half-assing it until now.
I guess they were never really trying all this time, then? Brilliant.
This post makes me sad for humanity.
For humanity's sake I hope you're drunk.
he reminds me of Bo with less defensive talent and no support from too many people that THINK they know whats right for Michigan.
im all in for RR. just gotta bring in more defensive talent, and compete with OSU
The problem is not the players, but the coaching. Three years of terrible defense with and without experience attests to the awful coaching that Michigan has gotton over the past three years.
Oh, and a scheme change would not hurt either.
Wow, when can we hire you to the staff? What schemes will you be implementing to fix the problems?
Weis came in with the mindset that his scheme would just dominate his opponents that he underestimated. Rich's devotion to the spread and especially his devotion to the 3-3-5 reminds me of Charlie. Weis also very rarely took the blame when things went wrong and I'm sure you could find players who were devoted to him at the end of his tenure.
Another thing that is frighteningly similar to Weis and Rich is that when they were on the hot seat they both had some really bad losses and close wins, but made a bowl that their supporters pointed to as progress enough to keep him around one more year.
RR's teams are getting better each year. Weis's got worse each year
Rodriguez has had tons of success as a D-1 head coach. Weis had zero experience as a head coach at any level. Weis had immediate success because he walked into a good situation, then made it worse. Rodriguez walked into a crap situation (yes, 3-9 is a crap situation no matter who you want to blame for the state of the roster at that time) and has made it better and no one seems to doubt it will continue to get better next year (and any and every Rodriguez supporter would be fine with his ouster if the trend doesn't continue). Weis made the Hawaii bowl in year 4 and beat (of all crappy teams) Hawaii. Rodriguez is playing a top-25 SEC team on New Year's Day in year 3.
Comparing the two is intellectually dishonest.
If one was looking for a negative comparison, they should look at a Dan Hawkins. He too had much success as a D1 coach before he took over CU. He, not Peterson, was the architect of the Boise State success. Yet, he flopped spectacularly at CU.
I would not make comparison just yet, but Hawkins is a much better comparison than Weis.
First off, Dan Hawkins was not the architect of BSU's success. He inherited a strong program form Dirk Koetter (back to back 10 win seasons right before Hawkins took over), lost 4 games in year one, then hired Petersen to run the offense. Hawkins had never even been a coordinator at the D-1 level and had been nothing but an administrator and rah-rah guy under Koetter (as CU fans found out all too late).
The trajectory also doesn't match at all. I don't think anyone honestly thinks Rodriguez will win fewer than 7 games next year, much less 3 like Hawkins did in year four (after 2-6-5 wins his first three seasons).
.John L. might be a more appropriate analogy as he succeeded at a Big East school(Louisville) before moving on to MSU. In fact, he did well at Idaho as well.But his record got worse, so that is not a perfect analogy.
The thing is it is hard to find a positive analogy for most coaches have flourished within two years at elite level. Tressel, Stoops, Saban, Carroll, Meyer, Chizik..all elite within two years.
Maybe Mack Brown is a good one.
I think we're all looking at the same glass, which is limited to publicly available information like wins and losses and hard statistics. You perceive it to be at least "half full". Many are justified to pereceive it as half empty.
My issue is that the guys with more information than us, and that are responsible for maintaining the Michigan brand, are projecting anything but confidence in the future. Dave Brandon certainly isn't confident enough to hitch his wagon to Rodriguez, which is why we're in this unsettled situation. I'm mindful that he is at practice, watches film, talks to current and former players (which he is one himself) and gets input from other key stakeholders. Stuff that you and I are not privy to. If he ain't confident about the future, then why should we be?
Regarding the maintenance and enhancement of the Michigan brand (something that Brandon puts at the center of his mission), I think RR showed a collosal lack of judgment with his little stunt at the Bust. Do you really think he helped the stature of the Michigan brand that night?
Especially compared to Bo. We're getting our bowl selection because we're in the Big Ten and we travel well, not because we're considered better than Iowa, or even NW with Persa.
Both Weis and Rodriguez both believed that their scheme would automatically win games and therefore rigidly stayed with them when there was evidence it wasn't working (I'm talking about Rod's D). Both very rarely stood up and took the blame for the losses. I understand that there are obvious differences between the two, but the thing that is similar is that Weis' 4th year (after going to two BCS bowls and having a disaster season) is similar to Rich Rod's 3rd year (following two disaster seasons). Both started the season with people saying they needed to get to a bowl and both won 7 games without actually beating anyone of note. It saved Weis' job and very well might save Rich Rod's.
A lot of people think the defense has gotten worse each year under RR. Why else would Brandon be checking out other coach(es)? Your argument died with the Wisconsin and Ohio St. beat downs.
Can you please post the link about DB checking out other coaches. Other than speculation from the media and fans I have not read where he has met with or been checking out other coaches.
RR's teams are getting better each year. Weis's got worse each year
Throughout the season? Or are we talking on a linear year-by-year basis?
One big difference is that Charlie came in and did ok with someone else's players. The team went downhill from there even though they were getting top recruiting classes. And it wasn't a totally different scheme.
I second that emotion!
I would argue that Weis had an older and more "talented" roster during his years. To me, he had less of an excuse to do poorly.
agree.. Weis had boatloads of talent. RR had some good talent too, but it doesn't help the year he comes in that 6-8 kids leave for the NFL..
He has had a tough go since the start, and it really sucks.
It will really suck if he doesn't get enough time to even see his first small 08 class graduate. Would be really disappointing to see the program take that direction
Common dude there is like zero similarities between Weis and RR. I mean Rich has got to weigh at least 100 pounds less than Charlie on a bad day.
and had intentionally avoided listening to it, but I just gave in...
Wow. That sucks. It is worse that I had imagined.