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February 12th, 2013 at 11:47 PM
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Does Michigan basketball help football?

 I have to step away from the game for a minute or my blood pressure is going to get deadly.  

The question I present to you is, do you think Michigan being so highly ranked in basketball helps them in football? From a psychological perspective, they are being talked about a lot on ESPN and other sporting news sites. That puts their name in the minds of high schoolers, basketball and football alike. One could argue that Michigan’s name sells itself, but remember that current high school juniors were roughly eight or nine the last time Michigan won a Big Ten title. Therefore, they would have experienced a good amount of the low points for Michigan football and basketball. (strictly being devil’s advocate) At the same time historical basketball powers like Kentucky, Kansas, and Duke have not fared well in football. Again, the argument can be made about history. So, in your opinion does Michigan’s basketball team being highly ranked this season ultimately help them in football?  

EDIT: Bad timing, I know. Would you have answered this question differently three hours ago?

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February 12th, 2013 at 11:49 PM | Good question.  Bad timing. (Score:5 Normal)
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Good question.  Bad timing.

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February 12th, 2013 at 11:55 PM | I know...I had the question (Score:2 Normal)
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I know...I had the question in mind and had to get away from the game.

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February 12th, 2013 at 11:51 PM | Well, this game will give (Score:3 Normal)
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Well, this game will give Michigan football a point total to strive for when we play up in EL.

Hail.

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February 12th, 2013 at 11:51 PM | Not tonight (Score:5 Normal)
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Not tonight.

You've just been 'Nard Dogged

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February 12th, 2013 at 11:52 PM | Not tonight (Score:3 Normal)
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.

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February 12th, 2013 at 11:52 PM | I hope not (Score:1)
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I hope not

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February 12th, 2013 at 11:53 PM | I don't think Bryan Mone (Score:1)
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I don't think Bryan Mone committed today because Michigan was playing State.

"Are you an official here?Because you've officially given me a boner."

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February 12th, 2013 at 11:56 PM | Yes. (Score:1)
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Yes.

 

Great M basketball overall can only help in good publicity for the M brand and the football program

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February 12th, 2013 at 11:54 PM | Tonight-NO Last (Score:5 Normal)
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Tonight-NO

Last week-Debatable

Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, etc are typically basketball powers and football whipping boys.  USC, Alabama, LSU, etc are football powers and basektball whipping boys.  Good press is good press but I doubt much correlation between the two

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February 12th, 2013 at 11:58 PM | I think an agrument could be (Score:1)
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I think an agrument could be made for Ohio and Florida.

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February 12th, 2013 at 11:54 PM | I couldn't imagine this game (Score:2 Normal)
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I couldn't imagine this game being a positive for Drake Harris. If I were coach Hoke, I would be extremely embarrassed right now. I am extremely embarrassed right now!

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February 13th, 2013 at 12:08 AM | Might not be a positive for (Score:3 Normal)
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Might not be a positive for Harris tonight, but after he cools off he'll remember he decided to play football and quit basketball.  When we wreck Sparty in their house just like the good old days he'll recognize the better choice.  And I don't think Hoke is ever embarrassed of Michigan.

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February 13th, 2013 at 3:54 AM | Harris (Score:0)
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It's a slap in spartys face that he was there. Wasn't it just 3 weeks ago he opened his recruitment to look at better football schools?

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February 12th, 2013 at 11:55 PM | The team went 16-0..or 17-0 (Score:2 Normal)
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The team went 16-0..or 17-0 and has now gone 5-4 since.  That is not going to help football..and Michigan is a football school anyway, traditionally.

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February 12th, 2013 at 11:57 PM | Probably doesn't help our (Score:2 Interesting)
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Probably doesn't help our chances with recruits watching on tv, plus Drake Harris.

"Ohio is like a giant turd that Michigan just can't pinch off"

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February 13th, 2013 at 12:00 AM | Three hours ago would you (Score:1)
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Three hours ago would you have answered the question differently?

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February 13th, 2013 at 12:03 AM | Goes Both Ways (Score:2 Informative)
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I remember reading about what a great time McGary had at the football game and such. Seeing the facilities and how nice the upgrades are helps.

Michigan basketball isn't going away anytime soon, there will be impressive crowds and the games will be fun which will help make visits fun.

Yes it helps to some. Not a whole lot.

"I wouldn't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member" - Groucho Marx

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February 13th, 2013 at 12:05 AM | Alabama has been a football (Score:1)
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Alabama has been a football powerhouse for several years running. Their basketball team sucks. Duke is Duke in basketball, and their football team is a joke. I doubt there is much correlation.

Brady Hoke: Kicking Ass And Signing Names On The Recruiting Trail

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February 13th, 2013 at 12:09 AM | It does seem as though there (Score:1)
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It does seem as though there is atleast one football power that always does well in basketball and football at the same time. Ex. Ohio and Florida.

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February 13th, 2013 at 12:11 AM | And Michigan (Score:2)
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For most of the 70s, 80s and early 90s...then, Hello Coach Ellerbe!

"[The University of Michigan] was, in short, the testing ground for all my prejudices, my beliefs and my ignorance, and it helped to lay out the boundaries of my life."--Arthur Miller

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February 13th, 2013 at 12:15 AM | Very good point, when I was (Score:1)
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Very good point, when I was young Michigan was an absolute power in both. I got to watch them play in three title games between the both in the 90's.

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February 13th, 2013 at 12:25 AM | Used to be true of Oklahoma (Score:2)
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Used to be true of Oklahoma as well.  We got a break in our National Championship run when OK was upset and we did not have to face them.

M'Dog

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February 13th, 2013 at 3:35 PM | Yes But... (Score:1)
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Florida and all Florida schools were nobody's till the 80's. Florida won back to back NT's in bball and then like disappeared, now they are decent but SEC basketball is horrible....usually always.

ohio has been good in both sports and they have some history in bball but it's not like they were always good in bball. They were a tire fire of a program more than once in the past.

Things appear shitty right now but Michigan is JUST starting in basketball and football once again. They are on track in both sports, it's just taking time.

Congrats Sparty for beating Michigan for the first time in 2 years in basketball.

"I wouldn't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member" - Groucho Marx

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February 13th, 2013 at 12:07 AM | After this game (Score:3 Interesting)
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They can help clean the football team's weight room as punishment for their complete lack of effort.

Other than that, I think a highly ranked bball team creates excitement on campus and can help recruiting, especially since football recruits often cannot visit until their seasons are over.

"[The University of Michigan] was, in short, the testing ground for all my prejudices, my beliefs and my ignorance, and it helped to lay out the boundaries of my life."--Arthur Miller

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February 13th, 2013 at 12:16 AM | Michigan played horrible and (Score:0)
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Yes

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February 13th, 2013 at 12:17 AM | When is the last time we even (Score:1)
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When is the last time we even made a sweet 16?

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.

- Vince Lombardi

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February 13th, 2013 at 12:20 AM | Who gives a fuck (Score:0 Flamebait)
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Really? I'm going back to my whiskey

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February 13th, 2013 at 12:52 AM | Yet you decided to (Score:-1 Flamebait)
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Yet you decided to post...Congratulations hypocrite, you gave enough of a F@#$ to post, jackass.

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February 13th, 2013 at 12:30 AM | I think location plays a role (Score:2 Insightful)
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In places like LSU, Texas, and Alabama (there are more) football is king in the region. Alabama and Texas could drop basketball all together and football wouldn't even blink. Kids in Texas and SEC territory are just more focused on football and basketball is just something to do between football seasons. 

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February 13th, 2013 at 12:31 AM | So pissed cant even think... (Score:0)
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So pissed cant even think... Can someone play out a scenerio of how we can win big ten after a 1-3 road games we just had?

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February 13th, 2013 at 12:40 AM | Not tonight (Score:1)
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Player. Not tonight

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February 13th, 2013 at 1:18 AM | No (Score:2)
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No

"The straightest line from A to B is straight: From A to B"

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February 13th, 2013 at 2:02 AM | Only to a small degree ... maybe (Score:2)
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People like to be associated with winning traditions.

To the extent a traditional football power also has a basketball tradition, I would think it lends shine to the overall athletic program.  But it's of marginal benefit.

Midwestern born and raised ... now living in the heat of the Arizona desert

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February 13th, 2013 at 6:50 AM | Beat nobody! Go Blue! (Score:0)
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Beat nobody! Go Blue!

BOOM! BOMBSHELLED!
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February 13th, 2013 at 7:56 AM | I think it has to help. The (Score:1)
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I think it has to help. The hardest part is staying relevant. When you constantly hear a school's name over and over, its bound factor into the decision making process. And I don't think it necessarily matters that both teams need to be consistently killing it. Sure, winning helps, but half the battle can often be getting someone to remember your name.

"Winners never quit. Quitters never win."

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February 13th, 2013 at 11:05 AM | In UM's case, it helps (Score:1)
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Michigan football sells tradition, competing for championships, gameday experience, teamwork, and a community of high character. [Not saying its 100% accurate, but it's Hoke's pitch.]

When the Bball team shows those traits and Crisler is rocking, it reinforces Hoke's pitch. Thankfully the game last night is a blip because the Bball team didn't show those traits.

At Bama or USC as examples, they pitch NFL preparation and absolute commitment to football by the school. The pitch has no tie to Bball.

"Everybody wants to be a hero, so to speak.  But it takes everybody."  - Charles Woodson

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February 13th, 2013 at 11:14 AM | Yes (Score:1)
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I think it is a great question and I definitely think basketball can help or can hurt your chances in recruiting. I say this because when I was 17 or 18 I was extremely competitive about everything and I wanted my favorite teams/schools to win in every sport everytime. I would watch ESPN and brag, haha my school is better then yours. Or if my school was hurting in my favorite sport I could atleast say, "look at (add sport), they are good at that too". So to think that high school kids don't watch nationally broadcasted games of the school they are thinking about it, you would be niave. To get raped by a rival like we did, it definitely hurts our national image as a whole and will definitely leave a sour note in some kid's mouth.

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February 13th, 2013 at 12:07 PM | Definitely yes (Score:2)
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The good thing about us being in the national spotlight in basketball is that recruits watching
SportsCenter (which I imagine every recruit does) repeatedly hear the name "Michigan."  It keeps us current and in their minds.  Also, I would assume that many FB players also watch basketball, so going to a school with a powerhouse team is an added attraction.  Let's put aside the past game or so - look back to our home win at OSU.  Watching that game on TV, seeking Hoke in the crowd and seeing Denard living it up and cheering with the student section had to have a positive impact on anyone watching, just from the perspective of "this looks like an awesome place to go to school and an awesome, rah-rah campus to be a part of."

Now, many on this thread have made the point that Duke is dominant in BB without any real football team, and that 'Bama dominates in FB with a crappy BB team.  Sure, this is true, because Duke BB and Bama FB are in such an elite strata that they recruit themselves, and are considered amongst the top of their perspective sport.  Sadly, after our recent struggles, annual losses to OSU, lack of championships and general down decade, we are not currently in the league of Alabama in the minds of many national recruits, so we can't just open our arms and expect recruits to come running.  So, for a team like us - national fanbase, national recruiting, but coming off of a very down period and not yet considered amongst the elite college FB - having a top ranked BB program is certainly a positive factor.

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February 13th, 2013 at 7:20 PM | rising tide floats all boats (Score:1)
pbmd
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yes

tournament run raises the school's profile with recruits, alumni and general public.

basketball generates cash on multiple levels--ie donations, undergraduate admissions, ticket sales, jerseys...

 

pbmd

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