Does a 1 loss Auburn jump OSU?
I was thinking about the fact that if OSU beats Michigan this weekend, how could they get into the MNC game? I don't see FSU losing to Florida and they are set to play Duke in the ACC Championship, also can't see a loss. So Alabama needs to lose to Auburn or in the SEC Championship, both of which is possible.
BUT.... if Auburn beats Alabama and then goes on to beat a #4 or #5 Missouri in the SEC Championship, would they jump OSU in BCS standings?
November 25th, 2013 at 10:49 AM ^
If we make them win ugly its a real possibility.
November 25th, 2013 at 10:59 AM ^
according to the paper
since 1969 osu has not beat UofM by more than 11 points in ann arbor
November 25th, 2013 at 11:28 AM ^
Actually you have to go all the way back to 1961 for a loss of more than 11 pts in A2.
The score that year was 50-20 OSU, which is basically what we're likely to see on Saturday.
November 25th, 2013 at 11:50 AM ^
I like your optimism.
November 25th, 2013 at 12:53 PM ^
I think Don misplaced his hyphen. Should read 502-0?
November 25th, 2013 at 10:49 AM ^
I'd say they should, to teach Ohio to start scheduling some real nonconferernce teams instead of mighty Cal.
November 25th, 2013 at 10:53 AM ^
Meh, they play VT next year and the year after and oklahoma in the year following. I know VT has been subpar lately, but they've traditionally been good.
Our OOC schedule this year also left something to be desired, and we didn't look good even with that, although I will give that Uconn is supposed to be okay and ND is considered pretty good generally.
Of all the things to complain about, I think there are better choices when it comes to that school.
November 25th, 2013 at 10:52 AM ^
Auburn scheduled Washington St., Arkansas St., Western Carolina and FAU. Real daunting task there.
November 25th, 2013 at 11:48 AM ^
November 25th, 2013 at 12:07 PM ^
I'm working on a diary at the moment that I will release after the championship games and before the bowls. The SEC is only a half point better than the average AQ conference this year. This is the same metric that said they were narrowly the best conference last year. The B1G is a half point worse than the average AQ conference. Only the PAC12 and SEC are rated better. The PAC, though, has been far and away the best conference this year.
The SEC is a mediocre conference right now.
November 25th, 2013 at 1:24 PM ^
/s
November 25th, 2013 at 10:57 AM ^
November 25th, 2013 at 11:01 AM ^
Or Miami (FL), VaTech, Oklahoma, Texas, USC or TCU. Those all count as real non-conference teams, right? Look, I'm with you. This year's schedule has absolutely sucked but Cal was somewhat respectable when it was originally scheduled several years ago. I would like OSU to schedule tougher opponents (and I believe they will be more likely to do so with the playoff system starting next year) but a lot of the blame goes on the B1G. You can only win the conference games that you are scheduled to play and that is all OSU has done. Now, will Auburn jump them if they win out? Let's wait and see. Everyone said Baylor would and you know all of the talking heads at ESPN will say Auburn will deserve to but they need to win out first. Oh, and FWIW, Auburn's non-conference slate: Washington St, Arkansas St, Western Carolina and Florida Atlantic. One word - powerhouses.
November 25th, 2013 at 11:00 AM ^
Ohio State scheduled Cal in 2002, after wundercoach Jeff Tedford had taken a 1-10 team and gone 7-5 in his first year.
It's not Ohio State's fault that Tedford and Cal totally fell apart in the last few years.
Future schedules are hard things to predict. What looks good one year might be total shit the next year. Just look at UM, we've scheduled VT for seven years down the road, and they might be complete shit by then.
What if, seven years ago (2006), we decided to schedule Stanford (1-11) come in for a game?
November 25th, 2013 at 12:55 PM ^
Oh how fucked we would be.
November 25th, 2013 at 3:41 PM ^
Those non-conference games are usually scheduled 8-10 years in advance. Nine years ago Cal was 10-1 and #4 in the country.
You can criticize games against bad FCS teams, or bottom-of-the-barrel Sun Belt or MAC teams. But a power-conference opponent? You never know what you're getting for sure, when you sign the contract.
November 25th, 2013 at 10:51 AM ^
They mentioned how last year they would have rather seen Oregon vs Alabama instead of ND because they knew what would happen. An Auburn that can beat Alabama's defense and stop Mizzou's QB is an Auburn that could beat FSU. They don't feel the same way about tOSU.
November 25th, 2013 at 10:53 AM ^
My luck is the FSU QB gets arrested and ohio gets in.
Maybe Auburn wins and Bama drops to #2, that would actually be funny.
To answer your question, Auburn certainly would. Mizzu certainly helped out a lot by winning.
It's total BS, Auburn and Mizzu aren't that good but .....
November 25th, 2013 at 10:53 AM ^
Hope so.
Fuck ohio.
November 25th, 2013 at 10:54 AM ^
No, but a 1-loss Auburn definitely jumps a 1-loss Ohio State.
Come on, goddamit. Let's Go Blue. Hail. Fight on. Cheer Cheer and all those other rah rah chants that fans do for THEIR team.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
November 25th, 2013 at 11:02 AM ^
A lot of teams jump a one loss OSU though. Including the MSU team that would beat OSU. Hell, there's a not-zero probability that, should things shake out in their favor, a one-loss MSU could play for a national championship. It'd require a lot of things to go exactly right for them (Baylor and OkSt each losing, Missouri losing to A&M, Alabama beating both Auburn and South Carolina, FSU losing to Florida and Duke, South Carolina beating Clemson, and maybe ASU beating Stanford in the P12 title game), but it's entirely possible.
November 25th, 2013 at 11:21 AM ^
It won't be MSU that hands OSU their one loss. Come on man, jump on the wagon.
November 25th, 2013 at 10:55 AM ^
I think they will. Not really OSU's fault Cal fell thru the floor and the BIg Ten is pathetic but their schedule really sucks.
Anything to keep MSU out of backing their way intot the Rose Bowl will be fine with me.
November 25th, 2013 at 11:16 AM ^
Why would you rather have msu in the rose bowl than osu?
November 25th, 2013 at 12:35 PM ^
OSU has been to the Rose Bowl in the last 25 years and will be there again. MSU hasn't and it's their primary goal as a program. OSU's primary goal is the NC. If my team is going to suck I want our 2 rivals to short of their goals as well. If OSU is in the NC game that means MSU is in the Rose Bowl and they both achieved their goals.
November 25th, 2013 at 2:42 PM ^
I wouldn't root for osu if they were playing syria, but that's just me. When osu and msu play I root for msu and I think all Michigan fans should feel that way.
MSU can have their one rose bowl in 25 years. The last thing we need is osu winning the big ten AGAIN.
November 25th, 2013 at 10:59 AM ^
Irrelevant.
We will beat OSU on Saturday, leaving the state of Ohio a pathetic, blubbering, trash-strewn prison riot...... or essentially unchanged.
C'mon OSU... You what AA is.
November 25th, 2013 at 11:00 AM ^
I don't think this thread has much hope of being relevant. Can't fathom Auburn beating Alabama. LSU is the second best team in the SEC West and Bama already handled them pretty easily.
November 25th, 2013 at 11:02 AM ^
It doesn't matter. As long as Florida St. and Alabama remain undefeated, the bowls are already set.
November 25th, 2013 at 11:03 AM ^
November 25th, 2013 at 11:02 AM ^
Auburn would not jump Ohio if they beat Alabama. Like it or not, the buckeyes are a good team and can hang with anyone.
November 25th, 2013 at 11:19 AM ^
I don't doubt that, but Auburn also gets Missouri to pad their resume. This is obviously all hypothetical, but valid.
November 25th, 2013 at 11:39 AM ^
November 25th, 2013 at 12:28 PM ^
OSU is a real good team that can hang with anyone on a neutral field except BAMA. Can Bama lose? Yes. Any team is beatable on any given day. But the reality is, they are so much better coached and stocked with talent than any team in the country right now. If Bama plays OSU 10 times, I say Bama wins at least 8, maybe 9. Bama probably takes 7 from FSU. They are simply a juggernaut right now. There is a reason they are going for 4 out of 5 right now.
Not to take anything away from what OSU has done the past 2 years under Meyer, but let's call a spade a spade. They have struggled with some middling B1G teams, and I would not at all be surprised if MSU takes them down in the B1G title game.
That being said, they are a very good, not quite great team, and light years ahead of where we are. But Bama is a different beast.
November 25th, 2013 at 4:29 PM ^
Hey now, As an OSU fan, I think we might be able to beat Bama as many as 3 out of 10. But yeah, I think you're spot on.
November 25th, 2013 at 11:03 AM ^
Resident BCS expert Jerry Palm, who is usually right on th emoney with these things, says no. He's saying if 'Bama loses one of its next 2 while OSU wins out, that OSU will be playing in the BCS Title Game
November 25th, 2013 at 11:04 AM ^
If OSU does indeed go undefeated they shouldn't get jumped by a one loss team. Personally, I long ago gave up the notion that the current system actually determines the best team. All of the AQ conferences agreed to participate in the program on equal footing and an undefeated school from an AQ conference shouldn't get jumped by a one-loss school.
November 25th, 2013 at 11:05 AM ^
I don't think so. MSU will probably be a Top-Ten team by the BTCG, and that win could be enough to keep OSU up
November 25th, 2013 at 11:47 AM ^
Sure, if they beat OSU. I'll be cheering for them but wonder whether Sparty really has it in them. I suspect that Dantonio will wilt before his mentors.
November 25th, 2013 at 12:29 PM ^
November 25th, 2013 at 11:05 AM ^
November 25th, 2013 at 11:22 AM ^
I am not rooting for it, believe me. I am just baffled by the BCS and could see this happening, since the SEC hype machine that you mention is amazingly strong. It would be a disgraceful event if it happened, but it appears to be plausible based on the current situation.
November 25th, 2013 at 6:51 PM ^
In 2006, it would not be possible. In 2013, it is very possible. This will be the media SEC hype machine's case if it happens:
- The SEC has won 7 NC's in a row. Several of those NC's were won by 1-loss, even 2-loss SEC teams. They've proven the hype. It would be criminal for the SEC to be left out of the NC game after their record on the field.
- Last year, Notre Dame was the undefeated team du-jour that got the bid over a better team that happened to have 1 loss. They got killed. This can't happen all over again.
- Ohio State has crapped the bed the last two times they were in the NC game. They are overrated and benefit unfairly by being in the very weak Big Ten. They are no better in this sense that an undefeated non-AQ qualifyer team.
- Ohio State's biggest win will be over Michigan State . . . who's biggest win was over a (4-loss) overrated Notre Dame team. Auburn's biggest win was over ALABAMA. Three-out-of-the-last-four-NC's Alabama.
Don't kid yourself, they will be able to make a compelling case.
Here is where it gets interesting for Michigan. We are so bad that we don't even have to beat them to knock them out of the NC game. We just have to play them relatively close. We have the D to do it. The O needs an out of body experience, ala the ND game.
November 25th, 2013 at 11:39 AM ^
The Big Ten has won 1 title in the BCS era, and the only other times it's been to the title game, it's been embarrassed. The Big Ten has zero ground to stand on compared to the SEC. This is a world of "what have you done for me lately?" The Big Ten hasn't done much.
November 25th, 2013 at 2:43 PM ^
It is an interesting question because of the farce last year's Notre Dame - Ohio State NCG would have been IF OSU had not been sanctioned. You saw how clearly superior 1 loss Bama was to ND ...but in any other year OSU would have taken that slot. Yet another reason OSU (and broadly) Midwest football is taken with a lot of grains of salt.
November 25th, 2013 at 11:06 AM ^
For Auburn to get in theyd hace to beat Bama and Mizzou in the SEC title game
Ohio State has us and MSU.
IMO-Auburn definately jumps them and Mizzou possibly cou;d also if they win the SEC title gae.
November 25th, 2013 at 11:07 AM ^
November 25th, 2013 at 11:11 AM ^
When*
November 25th, 2013 at 11:48 AM ^
"Keep hope alive." - Jesse Jackson
November 25th, 2013 at 11:08 AM ^
A different question. Would an undefeated OSU, fresh off lopsided wins over both Michigan & Michigan state jump FSU if Winston faces criminal charges?
My fear is that OSU needs "style points" next Saturday and will run the score up if they can.