Do we have Redshirt Info yet?
September 15th, 2009 at 9:30 AM ^
Brandin Hawthorne(sp?) has played on special teams and Will Campbell, Je'Ron Stokes, and Vincent Smith saw time against WMU.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:32 AM ^
Didn't Vlad play against WMU?
September 15th, 2009 at 1:49 PM ^
Vlad has played in both games on special teams.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:33 AM ^
No one officially redshirts until the season is over and all playing time has been completed. Feagin's wasn't burned until almost 7 games into the season last year.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:43 AM ^
Thank you for saying that and a big upbang for you ... not that you needed it but an upbang never hurt anybody.
September 15th, 2009 at 11:43 AM ^
burned or snorted until almost 7 games in?
September 15th, 2009 at 12:09 PM ^
still a little uncomfortable with "Feagin" and "burned" in the same sentence?
September 15th, 2009 at 9:35 AM ^
...LaLota, Lewan, Washington, Schofield, Toussaint and Gallon for redshirts with dark ink.
Tentatively pencil in Gibbons (no more bad misses Olesnavage), Isaiah Bell, Mike Jones, Cameron Gordon, and Thomas Gordon for red-shirts.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:45 AM ^
I'd add Teric Jones' name to those written in very light pencil.
Barring injury Tate, Denard, Roh, Campbell, Stokes, Hawthorne, and Vincent Smith will not redshirt.
I have to imagine that Turner and Emilien will see the field at some point, given the combination of their hype and our lack of depth in the defensive backfield.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:13 AM ^
Teric Jones was on special teams against WMU.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:40 AM ^
Confirmed by the official participation list. Thanks, Brewers.
Emilien played on special teams, too. Barring injury, neither will redshirt.
September 15th, 2009 at 2:54 PM ^
I believe the redshirt rule is >10% of plays or something to that effect - i.e. you can still redshirt even if you've played so long as you haven't been in for more than 10% of game action over the course of the season.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshirt_(college_sports)#Reasons
September 15th, 2009 at 3:33 PM ^
It's 20%, I believe - but it only applies if the player played those games early in the season and then suffered a season-ending injury. The NCAA then has to approve a medical redshirt (which it usually does).
If a player is healthy all season, one snap burns his redshirt.
September 15th, 2009 at 7:48 PM ^
try to get Jones some time at corner too (comfortable margin type of time, I would imagine).
September 15th, 2009 at 10:55 AM ^
I'm moderately surprised that Gallon is heading towards a redshirt. I know we have better depth than last year at slot, but he got a lot of publicity after the Army All-American game last year. Has there been any chatter about him in practice? I know he played qb in high school - is he having trouble catching the ball?
Also, I think Thomas Gordon and Isaiah Bell can be added to the "dark ink" list. Thomas Gordon was a relatively lower ranked recruit than the other safeties recruited, only played defense for one year in high school (IIRC), and was injured during fall camp. Bell is switching positions and I believe that most people felt he had to add considerable size to his frame before he would see the field.
September 15th, 2009 at 12:11 PM ^
to spend some quality time with Barwis. A redshirt is optimal given the depth at RB and slot receiver this year. Playing him when he's not ready and would be fifth on the depth chart would be unwise.
September 15th, 2009 at 12:55 PM ^
I thought I saw many people comment on how they've seen Gallon on the sideline and he looks very . . . out of shape.
September 15th, 2009 at 3:39 PM ^
Are you saying Gallon looked soft?
September 15th, 2009 at 9:36 AM ^
How much, if any can a player participate in a game or games and still redshirt?
September 15th, 2009 at 9:37 AM ^
If they play a snap on the field, it's gone, unless they play in 2 or less games and have a serious injury. The injury requires a petition.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:39 AM ^
thanks
September 15th, 2009 at 9:41 AM ^
I have never really known the rules about redshirting. So if they see the field on special teams is it gone as well? It isn't a snap but they are playing. I am not trying to be a smart ass I am just wondering if there is a difference.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:44 AM ^
Yes, special teams counts as well. If they are on the field for any play, I believe that includes too many men on the field penalties (ok, I was making that last part up, I don't know if that penalty counts).
September 15th, 2009 at 9:51 AM ^
Thanks again, I appreciate the clarification on that.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:12 AM ^
Thanks. I was not aware of the rule.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:15 AM ^
You can play in the first 3 games of the season as long as they are non-conference games. If you play in conference, you will burn your redshirt. Many schools schedule cupcakes to see who will be able to contribute. Most of time coaches know who they are going to redshirt before hand, so they don't play them b/c they have to learn about the guys that will be out there. And being injured doesn't grant you a redshirt, it's all about timing. Amount of snaps is not a factor. Essentially, if you have a freshman that is playing 15+ snaps a game (offense, defense, special teams) then he is not going to redshirt. Most boarderline freshmen don't know if they are redshirting for the entire season and travel w/ the team in case they are thrown into the fire (Feagin).
September 15th, 2009 at 10:47 AM ^
I thought this was the rule as well. Can anyone confirm this?
Is formerlyanon or TMay correct?
September 15th, 2009 at 11:05 AM ^
The term "redshirt" is used to describe a student-athlete who does not participate in competition in a sport for an entire academic year. If you do not compete in a sport the entire academic year, you have not used a season of competition. For example, if you are a qualifier, and you attend a four-year college your freshman year, and you practice but do not compete against outside competition, you would still have the next four years to play four seasons of competition.
Each student is allowed no more than four seasons of competition per sport. If you were not a qualifier, you may have fewer seasons of competition available to you. You should know that NCAA rules indicate that any competition, regardless of time, during a season counts as one of your seasons of competition in that sport. It does not matter how long you were involved in a particular competition (for example, one play in a football game, one point in a volleyball match); you will be charged with one season of competition.
Linkage: http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=420
September 15th, 2009 at 11:24 AM ^
it's stupid to have someone run out there for a Special teams play and never see the field again. I'm not saying we do that but it happens Basically a waste of a year of eligibilty.
September 15th, 2009 at 1:16 PM ^
Also, a medical redshirt cannot participate in more than 20% of games, or the second half of the regular season. So, in UM's case, a guy cannot play in more than 2 games, or after the 6th game of the year. The injury/illness must be proven medically as a season ending injury/illness. There must also be some other rule to the 20%. As in total number of plays competed in vs. total plays for team. Hemingway competed in 4 games last year and still received a medical redshirt.
September 15th, 2009 at 3:35 PM ^
Formerlyanonymous is correct. You can't play a snap and keep your redshirt unless 1)it was at the beginning of the season and 2) you have actual medical proof that you suffered an injury that kept you out of comission the rest of the year. The NCAA hears medical-redshirt cases following the season.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:18 AM ^
Is not petitioned for until after the 5th year to complete 4 years of football (or any other sport). Hence, guys like Jason White getting the 6th year of eligibility. And this is usually due to missing an entire season...not getting hurt during the season.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:21 AM ^
and Junior Hemingway would like a word with you.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:44 AM ^
I wish we would've redshirted Brandon Minor when he was behind Mike Hart. It seems like he'll be graduating without getting a full season in. Hopefully we can get away with reshirting Vlad, Vincent Smith, and maybe Justin Turner since he joined so late.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:52 AM ^
Smith already saw action against WMU.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:48 AM ^
For my money, I don't want Justin Turner redshirting. I think he can be a valuable component to this team once he picks up the reads. He was late coming in but considering our CB play so far, I hope he progresses enough during the year that he is seeing the field.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:52 AM ^
I'm with you on JT. I think he will be a valuable player to have in the 2nd half of the season. If it was a perfect world, I'd have Michigan up by at least 3 touchdowns after half, with all players healthy, and then send in JT and others to give them as much playing time as possible in the 2nd half. I'd almost exclusively play the 2's or young guys in the 2nd half with a mix of 1st stringers in there as well to keep the offense honest.
We'll see what happens, but I have been as excited for JT prior to the season as I was for Forcier, D Robinson, and Roh.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:54 AM ^
Rodriguez said that in a normal year, Teric Jones and Justin Turner would ideally redshirt. I think that gives us a pretty good indication of where Turner is at this point - he might just not be ready to contribute.
September 15th, 2009 at 12:21 PM ^
Yes, it does indicate that JT is not going to set the world on fire as a freshman ala Hall. But I think that comment also gives an indication that RR realizes that this is not a normal year and that JT is probably going to play at some point.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:59 AM ^
I'm pretty sure Vlad has already played. Wasn't he on the punt returns teams, at least against WMU? I could have sworn I saw him out there
September 15th, 2009 at 10:28 AM ^
both are sweet because we have the same picture
September 15th, 2009 at 10:39 AM ^
Emilien is on the Special Teams participation list for Western. I doubt Tate ever was, so little chance of number confusion.
September 15th, 2009 at 10:28 AM ^
Lalota turns into a player he has amazing size 6'6 260#'s
September 15th, 2009 at 11:28 AM ^
Allegedly.
He showed up on campus weighing about 30-40 pounds less than reported.
September 15th, 2009 at 11:00 AM ^
So, guys that have played
1. Tate Forcier
2. Denard Robinson
3. Craig Roh
4. Brandon Hawthorne
5. Will Campbell
6. Je'Ron Stokes
7. Vincent Smith
8. Vlad Emilien
9. Teric Jones
10. Justin Turner (Not yet, but likely)
September 15th, 2009 at 11:24 AM ^
I'm keeping track of players. Once we get past game three (which is the limit for medical redshirts), we'll know much more for certain.
September 15th, 2009 at 3:20 PM ^
mgoblue.com posts a Participation List after every game which can help you keep track