I'm guessinng that had to be on a pretty steep hill. But wow...that's funny.
Do not view - 100% off-topic, and yet...
A Mini Cooper on bald tires I'd understand, but when a DEFINITELY 4WD Subaru did what it did, I had to shake my head.
I assume there must be some refreeze going on and slush turning in to ice. AWD doesn't work on ice.
It always seems like every winter I see giant 4x4 in the ditch or median on US-23, complete with evidence of a skid to suggest the vehicle was doing at least 40 when it close control. Meanwhile I'm creeping along in the right lane at 20 mph with all the other cars, but hey at least I'm not in the ditch.
And I should clarify. I'm of the opinion that you need the right tools for the job, and tools don't matter if the operator is an idiot.
I shake my head at drivers like the ones you described. Thus why I think the Subaru driver deserves a head shake. Huge 4x4s in a ditch. It doesn't matter what you drive, if you drive like an idiot, you're going to end up in the ditch. As a Jeep owner, I've got more experience in situations with less traction and feel confident in my own abilities on the road. But if there's no traction or other cars around, I'm with you creeping at 20mph.
I agree, I've had a Subaru for about 5 years now and have never ever gotten stuck. 300+ whp car that i've driven through snow that saw other 4x4's stuck and i'm driving through it like there's virtually nothing there. Unless it's an insane amount of snow or sheer ice (or to your point, a dumb driver) a Subaru will not get stuck.
100% with you. I drive a Subaru Forester...live in Wisconsin, and don't shovel my driveway unless we get more than 6 inches of snow.
I laugh at all the outdoorsy Subaru owners (especially in the Pacific NW), particularly hard when they can't drive in snow. See, in Detroit, we get lots of snow and we know firsthand how bad it can be. Then we design and build cars.
then those cars suck dick compared to a Subaru. I got so tired of hearing all the homer bullshit about american cars while living in Michigan.
Have owned Chevys, Dodges, Fords, Hondas, Mazdas, and Subarus.
Subaru pwns all in terms of quality product
cool. enjoy your piece of shit car. makes my awesome imported car cheaper when demand is down. Appreciate it.
EDIT- I defy you to name 1 chinese car brand without googling it. Michiganders are way too jengoistic about cars
Just like you had to google "jengoistic"?
...cause thats more plausible than me having a good vocabulary.
Good vocabulary, maybe. Good at spelling, no.
Chery and BYD, troll.
I'm jealous. I want my winters back. That is all.
An 8 year resident of Chicago who was born and raised in MIchigan, but had 3 years living in Houston in between.
Personally I would much rather put up with northern winters than southern summers. Especially in hot, muggy, swampy Houston. Besides, 65 degrees in January is just wrong.
You talk about 65deg in January like it's a bad thing
That is correct.
Aren't you in Virginia? That's pretty mild and seems better than here climate-wise. I would say I miss Michigan winters if I weren't in the state, too.
I don't mean to, like, go off on you, but I get that a lot and I don't know why people assume I live in VA. (Well, OK, I kind of do, but there are U-M grads not living in Michigan, after all.) I did live in VA, but never while I was a member of this site, and have happily returned to my native state.
It's not better, climate-wise, by the way. I would much rather it be 25 and snowy than 40 and rainy, which is how eastern Virginia winters generally are. Rainy gets you wet, which just gets you colder, and rain isn't half as pleasant to look at. July and August are f'ing muggy and miserable. I don't miss Michigan winters, because I'm not missing them any more.
Mid 60s in Boulder today
I walked through the woods here in western Michigan last week and could've cried it was so pretty. Slush and salt on my dark colored vehicles is a total bummer, but not as awful as ball sweat while you try to sleep. I don't know how you southerners do it; I guess eventually you just get used to B.O.
I just prefer it in small doses. The short days, limited sunshine, grey skies, cold, bad road conditions and everything else just gets old quickly and makes me long for spring/summer/fall!
Btw, down south nearly everywhere has ac. Pools or water of some sort to cool off is plentiful and oh, did I mention Ice houses? They're absolutely delightful!
So ball sweat is mostly kept to minimum.
Amen, brother. I grew up in North Carolina, moved to Michigan for school a whole lot of years ago and never looked back. I'd much rather freeze getting out of the shower than not be able to dry off.
A life-long resident of the Midwest who has gutted out winters in Michigan, Iowa and Wisconsin. The colder the better; it keeps the riff-raff in the Southern and Western states, where they belong. It also builds character:
When I read the title, I thought it was going to have something to do with Boren State, which I assumed you meant Ohio and it involved snow plows. I was wrong.
Still Seattle gets very little snow annually, so they are unprepared for it.
This part of town is around Washington's campus and is no was the worst part of town for hills. The entire PacNW drive like this with a few inches. I lived in Seattle for 2 years and now live in Portland for the last ten. Two inches is in fact "snowmageddon".
Yesterday my son's school was called off at 3:30 am with about 3 inches of snow. It was 45 degrees and slush by 8:30am when he would have gotton on his bus. Snow was completely gone by 10am.
Don't confuse unprepared drivers in Seattle and Portland with the whole of the Pacific Northwest. Folks throughout Oregon and Washington that don't live in those two cities do just fine on the roads. It really is just those cities that typically don't get a lot of snow.
I opened this thread because I fancy myself a rebel.
You could bounce to close to a snow plow or run into a snowblower...that would end your day real quick
Don't be such a scruffy nerf herder.
there are hundreds of youtubes from all over the country, including a bunch from Seattle.
I like the first guy in the first video, it's like he's trying to hit stuff. "I'll give it some gas, see if that helps. Nope, maybe a second try? Shit. Oh well, I've got insurance."
I'm always worried I'll be the guy at about 6:00 in this video. Also, if you turn captions on with transcribe audio you can get a couple extra laughs.
Also I like this one, at about 1:00 a Ford Focus drives through like a champ.
Here's an embed on the first one
I love the guy right at the beginning who just keeps hammering the gas. "Maybe if I just keep accelerating I'll stop?"
I like how the UHaul truck just moseys on past with no problems.
I'm pretty sure the driver of that blue SUV just perfected the zero-turn parallel park. Well done, sir.
You can just feel the hesitancy coming out of the vehicle after that accidental park, like they were thinking, "Ok, I'm probably lucky to get out of this with only my alignment jacked up, should I cut my losses and hoof it or try again?"
Although not originally written for the Dating Game, hearing that song cracks me up everytime thinking about that amazingly cheesy show! Great choice in music selection with the slipping and sliding.
I felt like some of those guys on my way to work this morning. Black ice all over the freeway.
I thought this was about how Boren is running a snow plow commercial....
Still a hilarious video though
i used to live in atlanta. one day i showed up for class and i was one of 5 students. the professor informed me that atlanta had recieved a quarter inch of snow overnight (it had melted by morning) and everyone else was too afraid to drive. i asked those who stayed at home what they were thinking and they said "i don't know how to drive in the snow" to which i replied "it isn't like you do anything different, just be more careful. there's no magic snow button on your car." snow in the forecast literally shuts down the entire city of atlanta.
The whole East Coast shut down when that snow storm hit over the holiday season. My CSB is that my wife was flying in and so I went to pick her up.
At one point as I'm heading for the airport I find a police cruiser blocking half the street and some flares out. The cop pulls me over and tells me the road is closed because the snow is too deep. There is currently about 8 inches on the ground. It's a slow go because the city doesn't own enough plow trucks and a lot of roads have 4-6 inches piled up on them. So I borrowed a giant pickup from my father (the joys of having family who work in the construction industry). The conversation is this:
"Sir you can't go down the road, the snow is too deep".
"Office, I'm from Michigan. 8 inches is not too deep."
"Sir, my cruiser cannot make it down that road. It's not safe."
"So you won't be cahasing me then I assume. Have a nice night officer." *vrooom*
(Actually this was the third roadblock I'd reached. At the first two I obeyed the cops and tried to find another route. By the third one though I was like "Really? This stuff isn't that deep.")
You're not a real Michigander unless you have a Cool Story Bro about idiots from non-snowy places who can't handle the snow. Mine: I used to live in Norfolk, VA. One fine weekend I had overnight duty on the ship, and it snowed in the early AM; the city got about two or three inches. Norfolk, being a city on the coast and at the mouth of a bunch of rivers and built more or less in the swamp, has a lot of bridges over creeks and rivers and such. And on literally every single one of those bridges on my 15-minute drive from the ship to my place was a crashed, abandoned car. One freeway bridge had a fork at one end of it where the left two lanes went straight and the right two lanes bore off to the right, and there was a set of perfectly straight, unwavering tire tracks in the snow leading to the crashed car up against the divider.
As a Michigander, I can attest to that area and their lack of driving ability in any weather. I just left Newport News and now live in Fairfax. They couldn't drive in snow, sleet or rain. I have lived all over the world and other than Korea, they may be the worst drivers I have seen.
My theory on the Hampton Roads area: because of the massive Navy presence, there are drivers from all over the country: Texas, NYC, Atlanta, Michigan, whatever, and therefore it's a mishmash of driving styles. Like, if you're in New Jersey, you know you're gonna get run over if you drive 55, because they all drive like maniacs. But in the Norfolk area, you put all these different people together (none of whom know anything about snow) and it's crazy.
It has a huge military presence with the Army and Air Force having bases in the area as well.
They can't drive in Fairfax either. Just wait. Snow flurries, which barely stuck to grassy surfaces, messed up the whole region.
I am well aware of that already. I am lucky though, I don't have to drive on any major highways to get from home to work.
I was about to ask how you weren't tased on the spot.... then I re-read the "Actually" part.
Seattle snow is waaaay different than Midwest snow. It's a lot slicker due to all the moisture in the air. Doesn't help that they the don't salt. Plus you add that there are hills everywhere. Wheeeeeeee!
I'm not sure 30 degree air in Seattle is any more moist than 30 degree air in Michigan. I will give you the hills, but my brother moved out there from Michigan and he laughs at everyone because they are so terrible at driving in the snow.
I've been driving in snow my entire life, including three years in the Rockies, which made Ann Arbor look like a warmup act for serious snow. I have no clue how even a four wheel drive vehicle could negotiate some of the hills in Seattle which match San Francisco for their pitch. Add wet snow to the equation, drivers who are clueless and minimal ability to clear or salt and Seattle must have been a real joy.
I'm from Michigan where this is a cake walk for us but now reside in Georgia where everything would shut down for roads like this. I'm good with either scenario! This so hilarious to me.
Why are people bailing out of their cars before they crash? They are obviously more safe in a car that is about to hit something at 10 mph than on a slippery road and you may be able to you know, actually prevent the fender bender if you are still in the car... common sense is at a premium these days apparently.
and they closed schools. The only people on the road were relocated yankees and people who have no idea (and its obvious). We get ice storms here sometimes that are dangerous and a little more extreme than those in Michigan, but the main problem is when people who don't have a clue take to the roads. My dad tought me how to drive in the snow, we basically went into a vast empty parking lot and slid around (practicing counter steering and avoiding the brakes) until I had it down. My gf is a southernor, and freaks out that I drive the speed limit in snow . . . the looks of terror and wailing are pretty entertaining.
I have lived in Northern California, Traverse City, Ann Arbor, Minnesota, and Arkansas. Every state says our ice storms are worse, out snow is slicker (hilarious), or the best one is we get more snow. Snow is snow and the great lakes give off more humidity than the state can handle. If you live in Western Michigan you get lake effect snow nightly it seems. Ann Arbor doesn't get a ton of snow like the West Coast or U.P. Don't be an idiot, simply slow down. A front wheel drive car will smoke a 4WD truck anytime on a couple inches of snow. I am done venting.
I live in Seattle. I grew up in NE and spent plenty of winters in Michigan.
Blaming Seattle drivers for their lack of snow driving skills is a bit naive. I doubt anyone from Michigan would have a clue about driving around here during a snowstorm. There are streets in downtown Seattle that are literally steeper and longer than ski slopes in Michigan. Add to that there are limited number of plows and more importantly, deicers and salters, the streets are impassable even for the most skilled snow drivers.
Today is even worse as freezing rain has turned the street into ice rinks.
I shudder to think what damage Michigan folks who have never really seen hills would do in this environment...
A 45 degree angle there is much steeper than in Northern Michigan.
Who's never driven on the sidestreets west of Michigan Stadium in a snow storm.
Spent my first 24 years in Ann Arbor before moving to the Seattle area and I want to slap 9 out of 10 drivers I encounter.
I have been driving around the area just fine these last couple days in my little GLI and only ran into an issue with my driveway last night. Driven around Bothell, Kirkland, Bellevue, and Seattle with no issue. It's the idiots that don't understand how to change lane or think its wise to hit up Queen Ann hill that just need to avoid the roads. Plus these people can hardly drive in the sun or rain.
Environmental laws in that part of the country don't allow them to use any of the fancy deicing stuff that really works, they are stuck with sand. It makes it a lot harder to get rid of the refreeze type stuff.
Fair points. But it's way more fun to make fun. So I'm going to do that instead.
Lived a block from there, and there were several occasions when cars going up State stopped at the light at Hill, and couldn't make it up State due to icy conditions.
However, vacationing in Colorado the last several years, I can't even imagine driving on some of those roads in snow and ice without 4 wheel drive and chains on the tires. We were on dirt Forest Service roads, where the drop was frightening in the summer. Can't imagine what it'd be like in the Winter.
What a pleasure to read a post marked OT and not find a couple dozen whiners complaining that the post is OT.
Wah wah...this post is off topic...
ha I live in Seattle. and its not as bad as the locals make it out to be. there ARE a lot of hills, but people here just have no idea how to drive, whether there's snow on the ground or not.
My second Cool Story Bro of the thread, as relates to Seattle drivers. I lived in Everett for a year and a half (you get around in the Navy.) My parents came for a visit one time, and rented a car at SeaTac and drove up to my apartment to meet me. When my dad saw me, his first words were not "hi son" or "how was your day at work" or "good to see you," they were, "What the hell is the matter with people in this town???" I said "lemme guess, your drive from the airport sucked because everyone in the left lane was doing 50." "Yeah, how did you know?" Because that's how they roll up here, Dad.
Later on, in Montana no less, I got to the top of a mountain on the freeway and saw, in the distance, a lone vehicle in the left lane. 20 minutes later I passed it on the right, since it never left the left lane. Washington plate. Seattle drivers: RRRRGGGGHHHH. Not the worst I've seen, but they have that one really, really, really bad habit.
does it really help to put chains on the rear tires of a fwd car?! That's funny. Reminds me of an old Chevette I'd see in my home town back in my hs days that had the back end jacked with big tires like a muscle car. Stupid is as stupid does.
Oh man, I hope all these years in Florida have not made me drive like these clowns in the snow. I used to make the trudge in a FWD Ford Windstar minivan all the way to school on unplowed roads. The best part was the 1 mile subdivision road in 8" of fresh. Good times.
If you think some of these videos are bad, check out this massive pileup on a busy hill in Colorado Springs. If I remember, this storm hit about 3 pm, leading to a somewhat crazy rush hour.
If someone with better embed skills could post this, that would be awesome
seems like I try to embed differently every time and never get it right.
for the help. Glad to hear I wasn't the only one having trouble embedding.
Living in Michigan, I think we are at least in part steeled by having to drive on what one Lawrence Tech professor rightly termed the hands-down worst-kept roads in the country. Or at least the mainland; Alaska's might not be that great.
....is that it fills in the potholes on my drive to work and actually makes the experience a far better one.
If you're not familiar with the area, I always recommend that people take a drive down I-696 between about Southfield and Warren to get a real taste of ballsy winter driving Michigan style. No shoulders and sporadic tunnels in Oak Park making doing 40 MPH on ice in an SUV an intriguing experience, to say the least. The same applies to the Lodge from about Eight Mile and all the way to nearly downtown Detroit. Some folks trying to get to work play a automotive version of the old Star Wars: Pod Racer game that they had for N64.