Did you ever wonder what might have been? Example: Sam McGuffie

Submitted by BubbaT33 on

Have you ever wondered what might have been for a guy like Sam McGuffie? If he had not been used as "Mister All World Everything?"  Right out of the gate . . . just think if he had stuck around and been given time to develop.  Just thought I would ask.  Seemed like a nice guy and wish him the best!

ijohnb

March 1st, 2012 at 7:26 AM ^

McGuffie had a low ceiling.  He moved well laterally and had some nice "scat" to him, but I don't know if he had the right kind of speed for this conference, in either spread or pro-style.  And not to harp on his injury issues because as you said he was leaned on quite a bit right out of the gate, but I just don't think he was going to be anything close to an every down or even most down player here.

BiSB

March 1st, 2012 at 8:11 AM ^

I'm not sure where you got the "don't know if he had the right kind of speed for this conference" idea. Dude was legitimately fast. Not "deceptively fast for a little white guy" fast, but "well above average" fast.

His running style led to his brain getting murdered a lot, and even if he had stayed healthy I have no idea if he would have been a star. But speed wasn't the problem.

Baloo_Dance

March 1st, 2012 at 8:17 AM ^

Agreed.  Not even looking at numbers, I'm willing to bet McGuffie ran a better forty than Mike Hart.  But I don't think the two could have had more opposite running styles.  It used to drive me nuts when McGuffie would turn his back going into a pile and turtle.

ijohnb

March 1st, 2012 at 8:20 AM ^

thinking that he lacked the front-end burst that set players with elite game speed apart.  He really seemed to take a few seconds to get going both on kick offs and as a receiver. Once he got going, the kid could fly, but things always seemed to take too long develop.  I also think that lead to some of the injuries, because he was going damn fast but players were already in position to meet him head on.  I could be wrong, just my perception.

BiSB

March 1st, 2012 at 8:25 AM ^

You're probably right that he didn't have that Denard acceleration where step #3 was at top speed, but he had pretty good initial burst, especially given his top end speed. My memories of that year are (intentionally) fuzzy, but it seemed that his problems were more with running style, health, and the general lack of large angry unblocked peoples in his path.

ijohnb

March 1st, 2012 at 8:29 AM ^

always have the ND game.  Literally the ONLY reasons that we did not lose by 10 touchdowns. 

And your memory is correct, that season never took place.

BiSB

March 1st, 2012 at 8:38 AM ^

In the ND student section, wearing my maize and blue, and watching Michigan fumble 37 times in the Monsoon of Rain and Sadness. I have rarely been more miserable in my fandom.

Of couse, I was also at Notre Dame Stadium in 2010. That was a lot more fun.

ijohnb

March 1st, 2012 at 8:42 AM ^

got you tied.  Seventh row corner end-zone 2005 Illinois homecoming game.  My first game in over 5 years.  The horrifying result was oh-so-predictable by the beginning of the fourth quarter.  It then proceeded to occur in an intense slow motion that I have never before witnessed.  Misery, and a long walk back to the car.

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mgowin

March 1st, 2012 at 9:04 AM ^

People forget about Iowa in 02. At the time it was probably the worst home loss we suffered in decades. Cold-ass rain, turnovers, Stenavich on his back every other play. Pure misery.

unWavering

March 1st, 2012 at 9:52 AM ^

My first Michigan game was the Horror.  People also forget how bad the following game against Oregon was.  Other notables that I've been to:  '08 Toledo, '08 Northwestern, '09 Illinois (still the one that stings the most). 

My four years of college will be remembered as the worst 4 year period of Michigan football in history for a long, long time.

Alumnus93

March 1st, 2012 at 10:02 AM ^

Remember how stunned the fans were in the stadium, and how quiet it was, for a few minutes?  No booing, no nothing.....nobody even began to pour out of stands for a good three minutes, standing there in shock. 

And I always wondered why Coach Moeller only sent three DL players after Kordell, instead of bringing the house. 

French West Indian

March 1st, 2012 at 3:55 PM ^

I still remember that silence too. Just total disbelief.

I kind of imagine that that is what death might be like...just an absolute I-can't-believe-that's-all silence.

tylawyer

March 1st, 2012 at 10:16 AM ^

After the Che Foster fumble, a guy standing in front of me in the student section turned around and hollared to all within earshot "I'M NOT WORRIED!"  Other than the horrible ending, and watching Todd Collins sprint -- I mean he was booking (for Todd Collins) -- into the tunnel after said horrible ending, this is my most vivid memory of that particular game.

M-Wolverine

March 1st, 2012 at 3:24 PM ^

But I'll throw in the following-

89 ND Rocket Game

90 Rose punt hold Bo's last

98 Syracuse underrated suckatude

99 Illinois the SNAP

01 MSU nuff said

01 OSU Horrid first half, letting Tressel back up what he said

02 Volunteers in the Bowl game...ouch

02 OSU last wall to Title game

05 Rose Texas GROW YOUR FINGERNAILS OUT!!!

05 Alamo Nebraska Sunbelt....conference...refs...

06 OSU...not the day after Bo died.... :-(

 

Honorable TV mention- ND Miami '88

 

Needs

March 1st, 2012 at 9:48 AM ^

Good call. That was a sneaky miserable loss. I think we were top 10 at the time. 10-0 Iowa to start. We get it back to 10-9 after a punt block and a FG to start the second half. The defense goes 3 and out in the ensuing possession, and you know you've seen this game before. Michigan's come out sluggish but has woken up and will gradually pull the game out. Then, wham, fumbled punt and they lay 24 straight on us (all in the second half) in a miserable heavy mist.

It didn't have the soul crushing elements of the Horror or the Kordell Stewart game, but it was a truly unpleasant game.

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Bergs

March 1st, 2012 at 10:04 AM ^

I was at that game. My stepdad and I are were seated in front of 3 Iowa fans. At the start of the game, Michigan fans were heckling them, telling them to go back to the corn fields. By the end of the game the Iowa fans were screaming how glad they were that they hadn't stayed back home to pick corn.

I also remember there being a set of small field goals set up in the Crisler parking lot where kids could try kicking it through the uprights. Someone remarked that they should take the best kid and have him replace Brabbs that day....truer words were never spoken.

Magnus

March 1st, 2012 at 12:27 PM ^

I know I've said this before, but the Oregon game was not that big of a deal (to me).  Yes, it sucked to lose and to lose badly.  But Oregon was a VERY good team that probably should have beaten Michigan even if we were at full strength...but we weren't because Henne was injured.  Beating a team like Oregon with our freshman backup QB would have been a pretty significant upset, in my opinion.

Needs

March 1st, 2012 at 12:58 PM ^

Michigan was already way down when Henne got hurt, though. I'm pretty sure he got injured late in the 2nd quarter, at which point the score was already 32-7.

Oregon was very good though. They had a good chance at the title game that year until Dixon got hurt.

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MaizeyBlue

March 1st, 2012 at 11:14 AM ^

2005 IL???  Are you thinking MN?  Gary Russell 60 yard run on 3rd and 10 with their backup QB in as they were trying to run out the clock.

 

Unless you are an IL fan and speaking of their homecoming in which case I think they were pretty terrible in the Mid 2000s, so i can't imagine one game being that much of a heartbreaker.

ijohnb

March 1st, 2012 at 11:33 AM ^

Minnesota.  I have no idea what prompted that mistake.  Perhaps the game v. Illinois tonight, or perhaps because the last game I attended before that was a loss to Illinois in the Brady era.

I too have a dog named Maizey.  Awesome.

French West Indian

March 1st, 2012 at 4:06 PM ^

I'll vote for the 1995 5-0 victory over Purdue with miserable weather:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j460bLNZ6To

Myself and a friend stayed until the end and I know this is sacriligious to admit but there is no way that there were more that 100,000 at the game that day.  It was just brutal.  A cold, wet, driving horizontal sleet that made it almost impossible to look at anything other than your feet.  Ouch.

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Don Keypunch

March 1st, 2012 at 6:01 PM ^

I was in London on my honeymoon and had the bad luck of going to a pub that night with the Mrs. only to find 3 ND fans there (this was on top of having already been to the Newcastle United vs Hull City match where my beloved NUFC lost). After talking a bit with them I found out they were all from Illinois (One was an ND grad) and were a pretty cool bunch, but as soon as I mentioned that I bleed maize and blue they dogged me all night.......Wish I could see them again right now after how the last 3 years have gone for Michigan when facing ND...........

Mstevens24

March 1st, 2012 at 9:36 AM ^

 

He has above average speed, but if your a small white dude, you better be blazing speed denard fast. The B10 is not forgiving to small fast guys, (see denard). So he may have been fast, but he wasnt fast enough to use his speed/jukes to get away from tackles. 
Furthermore RR seemed to use him between the tackles on many occasions, which I could never understand.