Have you ever wondered what might have been for a guy like Sam McGuffie? If he had not been used as "Mister All World Everything?" Right out of the gate . . . just think if he had stuck around and been given time to develop. Just thought I would ask. Seemed like a nice guy and wish him the best!
Did you ever wonder what might have been? Example: Sam McGuffie
McGuffie had a low ceiling. He moved well laterally and had some nice "scat" to him, but I don't know if he had the right kind of speed for this conference, in either spread or pro-style. And not to harp on his injury issues because as you said he was leaned on quite a bit right out of the gate, but I just don't think he was going to be anything close to an every down or even most down player here.
I'm not sure where you got the "don't know if he had the right kind of speed for this conference" idea. Dude was legitimately fast. Not "deceptively fast for a little white guy" fast, but "well above average" fast.
His running style led to his brain getting murdered a lot, and even if he had stayed healthy I have no idea if he would have been a star. But speed wasn't the problem.
Agreed. Not even looking at numbers, I'm willing to bet McGuffie ran a better forty than Mike Hart. But I don't think the two could have had more opposite running styles. It used to drive me nuts when McGuffie would turn his back going into a pile and turtle.
Whether or not McGuffie was faster than Hart isn't even a question.
redundant: 10.7 in the 100? Speed was not an issue.
I don't think he would have turned his back and turtled if it were not for the multiple concussions he suffered. Nothing takes tenacity out of an athlete in a violent sport like a concussion. It is human instint to protect ones brain and that was the main problem.
Agree, I don't blame him one bit.
thinking that he lacked the front-end burst that set players with elite game speed apart. He really seemed to take a few seconds to get going both on kick offs and as a receiver. Once he got going, the kid could fly, but things always seemed to take too long develop. I also think that lead to some of the injuries, because he was going damn fast but players were already in position to meet him head on. I could be wrong, just my perception.
You're probably right that he didn't have that Denard acceleration where step #3 was at top speed, but he had pretty good initial burst, especially given his top end speed. My memories of that year are (intentionally) fuzzy, but it seemed that his problems were more with running style, health, and the general lack of large angry unblocked peoples in his path.
always have the ND game. Literally the ONLY reasons that we did not lose by 10 touchdowns.
And your memory is correct, that season never took place.
In the ND student section, wearing my maize and blue, and watching Michigan fumble 37 times in the Monsoon of Rain and Sadness. I have rarely been more miserable in my fandom.
Of couse, I was also at Notre Dame Stadium in 2010. That was a lot more fun.
got you tied. Seventh row corner end-zone 2005 Illinois homecoming game. My first game in over 5 years. The horrifying result was oh-so-predictable by the beginning of the fourth quarter. It then proceeded to occur in an intense slow motion that I have never before witnessed. Misery, and a long walk back to the car.
That is all.
win. However 2002 Iowa may want a word with you.
People forget about Iowa in 02. At the time it was probably the worst home loss we suffered in decades. Cold-ass rain, turnovers, Stenavich on his back every other play. Pure misery.
1994. Kordell Stewart. Hail Mary. I win at this game of spectator misery.
I was at all of them. I'm pretty sure I cried after the Kordell game. Worst one though was Northwestern '08. Coldest I've ever been in my life plus my last game as a student
My first Michigan game was the Horror. People also forget how bad the following game against Oregon was. Other notables that I've been to: '08 Toledo, '08 Northwestern, '09 Illinois (still the one that stings the most).
My four years of college will be remembered as the worst 4 year period of Michigan football in history for a long, long time.
Remember how stunned the fans were in the stadium, and how quiet it was, for a few minutes? No booing, no nothing.....nobody even began to pour out of stands for a good three minutes, standing there in shock.
And I always wondered why Coach Moeller only sent three DL players after Kordell, instead of bringing the house.
It was the eeriest thing. It was like everyone in the stands was waiting for another play. I've never heard 100,000 people so quiet.
This is the furthest subreply I've ever seen somebody in a reply section, I litterally have no idea what the original topic was.
That is all.
I still remember that silence too. Just total disbelief.
I kind of imagine that that is what death might be like...just an absolute I-can't-believe-that's-all silence.
After the Che Foster fumble, a guy standing in front of me in the student section turned around and hollared to all within earshot "I'M NOT WORRIED!" Other than the horrible ending, and watching Todd Collins sprint -- I mean he was booking (for Todd Collins) -- into the tunnel after said horrible ending, this is my most vivid memory of that particular game.
I was at them all, but that was the single moment of most disbelief and misery to me.
But I'll throw in the following-
89 ND Rocket Game
90 Rose punt hold Bo's last
98 Syracuse underrated suckatude
99 Illinois the SNAP
01 MSU nuff said
01 OSU Horrid first half, letting Tressel back up what he said
02 Volunteers in the Bowl game...ouch
02 OSU last wall to Title game
05 Rose Texas GROW YOUR FINGERNAILS OUT!!!
05 Alamo Nebraska Sunbelt....conference...refs...
06 OSU...not the day after Bo died.... :-(
Honorable TV mention- ND Miami '88
still has a ringing in their ears as I screamed and dropped dozens of F-bombs from the Quality lab
Good call. That was a sneaky miserable loss. I think we were top 10 at the time. 10-0 Iowa to start. We get it back to 10-9 after a punt block and a FG to start the second half. The defense goes 3 and out in the ensuing possession, and you know you've seen this game before. Michigan's come out sluggish but has woken up and will gradually pull the game out. Then, wham, fumbled punt and they lay 24 straight on us (all in the second half) in a miserable heavy mist.
It didn't have the soul crushing elements of the Horror or the Kordell Stewart game, but it was a truly unpleasant game.
I was at that game. My stepdad and I are were seated in front of 3 Iowa fans. At the start of the game, Michigan fans were heckling them, telling them to go back to the corn fields. By the end of the game the Iowa fans were screaming how glad they were that they hadn't stayed back home to pick corn.
I also remember there being a set of small field goals set up in the Crisler parking lot where kids could try kicking it through the uprights. Someone remarked that they should take the best kid and have him replace Brabbs that day....truer words were never spoken.
The Horror was bad... but the emotional impact of the Oregon game felt worse... (most of the stadium left early)
I know I've said this before, but the Oregon game was not that big of a deal (to me). Yes, it sucked to lose and to lose badly. But Oregon was a VERY good team that probably should have beaten Michigan even if we were at full strength...but we weren't because Henne was injured. Beating a team like Oregon with our freshman backup QB would have been a pretty significant upset, in my opinion.
Michigan was already way down when Henne got hurt, though. I'm pretty sure he got injured late in the 2nd quarter, at which point the score was already 32-7.
Oregon was very good though. They had a good chance at the title game that year until Dixon got hurt.
My neighbor was a starter for that Oregon team and he told me that was his most memorable victory during his 4 years. Kind of cool, I guess. In a sh-tty sort of way.
When the opposing running back is joking in the huddle, trying to figure out which Michigan defensive lineman is going to give up next, I think that qualifies as a big deal
and Dennis Dixon wins the Heisman if he doesn't get hurt that year.
Last two games I have been to were the Horror and Toledo. I have sinced stopped going for fear of what will happen next time.
2005 IL??? Are you thinking MN? Gary Russell 60 yard run on 3rd and 10 with their backup QB in as they were trying to run out the clock.
Unless you are an IL fan and speaking of their homecoming in which case I think they were pretty terrible in the Mid 2000s, so i can't imagine one game being that much of a heartbreaker.
They didn't win a conference game. Can't imagine any one was worse than the others.
Minnesota. I have no idea what prompted that mistake. Perhaps the game v. Illinois tonight, or perhaps because the last game I attended before that was a loss to Illinois in the Brady era.
I too have a dog named Maizey. Awesome.
Illinois game '91 . . . that hurt! Three ties that year! Anyone surprised that the rules were immediately changed?
I'll vote for the 1995 5-0 victory over Purdue with miserable weather:
Myself and a friend stayed until the end and I know this is sacriligious to admit but there is no way that there were more that 100,000 at the game that day. It was just brutal. A cold, wet, driving horizontal sleet that made it almost impossible to look at anything other than your feet. Ouch.
That was actually 1992. In '91 we beat Illinois on the road.
The rules weren't immediately changed after that. It was in 1996 that overtime was introduced.
I was in London on my honeymoon and had the bad luck of going to a pub that night with the Mrs. only to find 3 ND fans there (this was on top of having already been to the Newcastle United vs Hull City match where my beloved NUFC lost). After talking a bit with them I found out they were all from Illinois (One was an ND grad) and were a pretty cool bunch, but as soon as I mentioned that I bleed maize and blue they dogged me all night.......Wish I could see them again right now after how the last 3 years have gone for Michigan when facing ND...........
Uh...speed was definitely not his problem. He was really fast, but he was tiny and went down quickly
The Bleacher Report disagrees with your assessment of Sam's speed. A sub 4.4 40 is blazing.
I was thinking about McGuffie the other day so I youtubed his mixtape. If there was ever a ninja in a football uniform, he was it.
to upright, whether he played a lot or a little he was going to be vulnerable on the football field.
Easy question. He wouldn't have played. Maybe special teams.
I only wonder about players who play for Michigan.
he is the guy I'd rather have than McGuffie. I know he had attitude issues an all - but he had one heck of an arm.
Can you imagine if we had this staff on 08 with mallet. We can only dream.
I do think Shane Morris is the man for the job. And then Chance Stewart
That offense still would have been quite poor, so no, I'd rather not imagine an offense with Ryan Mallett behind 4 new starters and 1 returning sophomore lineman throwing to no one and still having to lean on Sam McGuffie because Shaw was injured and Minor couldn't hold the ball in his right arm or stiff arm anyone
Edit: and I forgot to mention Mallett would still have only been a true sophomore with nearly as many interceptions as touchdowns to start the season. That offense would still have been a train wreck
The offense would still have been poor but the defense, with what we had coming back, would have been pretty good.
The original poster commented about this staff with Mallett, so I was commenting on the offense (as that was obviously what he was talking about). The defense was actually not that bad in 08, but we still would have most likely been hovering around .500 whether Hoke and co. were here or if Lloyd came back or if Saban would have coached us. We had a pretty bad team that year
I recall reading some stuff when McGuffie left that intimated he was quite home sick and the injuries were just icing on the cake on top of that. I had high hopes for him (as I'm sure most poeple did) quite a shock to see him fall off the face of the earth, even at Rice. He went from solidly productive in a platoon system here, to pretty good at Rice (1200+ total yards) to nothing this past year. sucks for him.
My number one "what might have been".
National Championship in 2006 if he hadn't gotten injured?
Bass had the same feel to him as Woodson they way he could cut without losing momentum.
Yeah, what might have been, (his ability) met head to head with what IS, (the laws of physics) and apparently his knee was the breaking point. Shame, really. Hope he got a good degree and lands a kick butt job somewhere...
It wasn't just the question marks at his utilization, the uncertainty of the RR era, or the concussions... There were problems going on within his family and I don't think his heart ever really came to Ann Arbor, so to speak. Sometimes, when people chase their dreams , life can get in the way.
But I'm sure there's one guy that's certainly not playing "What If" on the subject, and his name is Sam McGuffie.
What if you PITCHED THE GODDAMN BALL TO BREASTON HE'S STEVE BREASTON GODDAMNIT AND YOU'RE TYLER ECKER AND AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGG.
I was just discussing this the other day. Sooo many nightmares!
Oh my god, I had blocked that out of my memory! Now I'm going to be pissed off at work thinking about how Breaston would've scored had Ecker just looked to his left a little bit...
at almost any family gathering, one of my in-laws will bring up me screaming something very similar at the tv screen at that exact moment. I guess I made an impression on them
for Ecker to just run out of bounds. Even if no one was there to pick the ball up, just toss it behind your head and keep the play alive.
I fantasized about punching Ecker in his face every day for about a year after his failed hero attempt.
Three missed field against OSU in the last minutes of the 1973 and 1974 were the worst.
In the 1973 Michigan–Ohio State game, we missed two fourth-quarter field goal attempts. With the game tied 10–10 we missed a 58-yard field goal. Got another shot with 24 seconds left to play but missed. Both teams finished the 1973 season with identical 10–0–1 records, and the Big Ten Conference athletic directors voted to send Ohio State to the 1974 Rose Bowl. Because Big Ten rules at that time allowed only one team to play in a post-season bowl game, Michigan did not play in a bowl game despite having an undefeated season.
In 1974 Ohio State led 12–10 nearing the end of the fourth quarter and we missed a 33 yard field goal to win that game.
I was at the Iowa, Syracuse, Oregon, the horror and many others but these two were the worst.
8-0 & #1 Michigan loses 16 -14 at Pudue after Jimmy Smith drops a touchdown pass and Bobby Wood misses a 37 yard field goal at the end of the game. Classic Bob Ufer heartbreak calls.
The Sun Belt Refs would have thrown their flags and negated the play.
They should have thrown their flags and negated the play! At least we would've had a second chance.
And... now I have to relive that Alamo nightmare.
So he doesn't really have any stats of note. He is able to run around CUSA competition pretty well, as he can actually show off his speed. However, when he played against Texas, he tried to pull an NFL Blitz move and run backwards across the field. Normally with Mcguff's speed this techniques is moderately successful against the Tulanes and Memphis's of college football, but mean Big XII Texas was just like "ummmm no" and tackled him for a loss of about 12. I don't think he would have been very successful at UM, but he probably would have seen the field. I guess the point of my post is McGuff has CUSA SPEED! which would make him look average in 6 AQ's.
His numbers at Rice have been mediocre.
couldn't block and sometimes backed into the line.
It is amazing what youtube can do for a recruit.
What if Shawn Crable hadn't hit Troy Smith late out of bounds? A close second is what Antonio Bass might have been able to accomplish in his time at Michigan.
Always wondered about that one!
Running backs don't need time to develop. They're either good or they're not. I thought he was going to be a good player, but he was just okay. I actually think he would have been better off as a slot receiver in Rodriguez's offense.
If he had stayed and how he was used! I hated seeing him get hammered! Some of the things we, as far as changes in guys is concerned, were reflections on the coaching that they were getting. Guys being 'coached up.' Given the right circumstances -- it would have been nice to see what might have been!
"Reflection on the coaching." Ahh, bullshit. More than anything, he was a victim of circumstance. Minor and Brown were made of glass, we had the worst o-line in history, freshmen all over the place, and we needed to hand the ball to somebody. It was either going to be McGuffie or Shaw during the first half of that season. There was no right answer offensively at the time.
I still remember being at the first game against Utah when we didn't know who was going to start at running back. Then they were showing the starters announce their names on the big screen and when he announced his name the stadium erupted. Everyone felt like this kid was going to win the heisman because he was starting as a freshman for Michigan in Rich Rods first year. I'll admit I overhyped him as well but I hope he enjoyed being closer to his family. I don't think if he stayed though he would've made the team a whole lot better unless he was to play safety....which now that I think of it doesn't sound half bad.
... to talk about exactly what they saw in Sam McGuffie apart from the legendary mixtape. Recruiting Houston Cy-Fair seemed to be a bit outside of our routine comfort zone, which is interesting. (Not that we haven't gotten some very significant Taxas kids.)
McGuffie's commitment day in July of 2007; the lineup of hats is interesting:
The coaches went after a few kids from that area. I don't think it was necessarily out of Michigan's routine comfort zone any more than offering Kellen Jones or JB Shugarts or Tony Drake or Corey Nelson and so forth. McGuffie had offers from all over the place, so I don't think it was strange.
I was just trying to make the point that for years, Lloyd Carr had wilfully destroyed relations with local coaches and had ignored his recruiting base in Michigan and Ohio to pursue speedy, lightweight kids for his curious offense in, uh, (where? Houston? okay...) Houston.
The guy clearly was in high demand. Seemed like a huge get at the time.
Maybe they saw the same things coaches from Notre Dame, Cal, USC, Florida, Tx A&M, etc did.
I'll never understand the McGuffie hatred. Yes he was part of the '08 offense but people act like it was all his fault.
And I think his lack of stats from Rice have to do with injuries (he hardly played this year. ) and the fact he's playing at ... Rice.
Why all the straw-man arguments? I don't think anyone here hates McGuffie, and I've never seen anyone here blame him for the offense's terrible season in 2008. I don't think he's as good as advertised, but that doesn't mean I hate him. I'd love for him to do well.
Anyway, why would playing at Rice depress his statistics? Rice doesn't face great competition.
I didn't follow Rice's season, but according to the link below, McGuffie played in each of the first six games of the season but never carried the ball more than 10 times. It appears that he was not their featured back even when healthy.
My two what might've been moments:
1. What if the Yankees never threw all that money at Drew Henson. I was so excited for that season. There were early talks of Drew being a Heisman candidate and all things were looking up. Then, he took the money and ran. I was crushed.
2. The Spartan Bob game, and actually my what if doesn't have to do with Bob. What if the referee who spotted the ball the play before it was spiked did his job and instead of changing pace to sprint as fast as he could to place the ball on the hash, did so at his normal speed? That's what pissed me off most about the game. If the mf'er had just kept his regular pace as he's supposed to, Spartan Bob wouldn't have been a factor...
I was 13 when the Spartan Bob game was played, but strangely my strongest memory of that game wasn't the last second spike but the pass interference penalty on Jeremy LeSueur during the same drive. I think I must have repressed the spike memory...
Or that the pass was caught by a guy who should have been ejected for kicking someone.
Goes back a ways, but I always wondered how much better those '91 and '92 teams could have been had he stayed.
with intact knees.
Healthy Tony Boles means Bo would have retired by winning the Rose Bowl.
I lived in South Quad with Vaughn two years and knew him quite well...... he had great straight line speed but other than that, he was a product of our fine offensive line. Don't believe that he was an elite talent, because he wasn't. He was a track runner who could fly.
Speaking of badass RB's who couldn't stay healthy, I would like to have seen Allen Jefferson play with knees that functioned.
Jon Vaughn probably made the right move. We were absolutely loaded at tailback in 1991 and '92 even without him. We won outright Big Ten titles both years, so we didn't really miss him much.
We will always wonder what Hogan could have been, he will always be one of my favorite players. It's too bad it had to be like this, but last time I checked he was playing great hockey for Dayton. Maybe he will get a shot at the NHL down the road
What if BO had not taken the Michigan job in 1969, what would we all be doing? Where would Michigan football be today? HMMMM
...end of list.
Yep, I really wonder what he could have achieved. That injury still bothers me, that a kid could lose such a bright career so suddenly.
I seem to remember that he suffered two concussions, and left because (the story goes) Michigan's policy is that a third concussion ends your playing days (and no school would play a player medically DQ'ed by another school like that). If what I recall is correct, there was no way McGuffie was going to be around.
Agree that he seemed like a nice guy who deserved to succeed, even if not at Michigan.
One guy I liked was John Anes. I think depression or something caused him to drop out, but he was a Mike Alstott type that I had hopes for.
This thread is making me open old wounds, we should stop the bleeding before someone dies from depression like symptoms.
What if we had hired les miles instead of dick Rodriguez
And .... scene.
I think to me Pryor is the biggest one. With Pryor, Year 1 of the Rich Rod era would have been way more successful (6-6?) and in future years would only have gotten better. Our defense in Year 1 was way better than it was under GERG, but our offense was not so good that first year. He was pretty much the perfect QB for that system at the perfect time and we came in second for his services. The downside of course is what NCAA implications could have come along with him, but it would have prevented the worst years of the Rich Rod era from being so bad.
You know what? I'm not really sure I care how many more games we would have won, I'm glad we didn't get him.
Plus, he wouldn't have made the defense any better, so I still think RR would be gone by now anyway.
Brady Hoke just went 11-2, and some moron is "celebrating" his first 100 points by using his inaugural post to complain about the previous coaching staff?
The only conclusion I can make here is that people who are still whining about the past when this team appears to have such a good future do it because they are "habitual bitchers" or "congenital whiners." Either way, it's very low-quality, and something that would look more at home at RCMB or 11W.
Get off your high horse. He's just playing a game of "what ifs" during the offseason. You got anything better to talk about? These aren't necessarily supposed to be aimed at the previous coaching staff, but include things from the Carr and Moeller eras too.
Examining the past is always interesting, and while I think most would agree that we have a very bright future ahead of us, that doesn't mean we can't speculate about the past.
anyone use a sports message board on a sports blog in order to pass away the time in the off season by shooting the breeze about "what ifs" and whatnot.
You're all taking up valuable bandwidth with this pointless rehashing.
But there is one and only one quote for this thread . .
If coach would've put me in fourth quarter, we'd have been state Champions. No doubt in my mind.
Yeah, and if pigs had wings, they'd fly.
- If McGuffie had succeeded
- If Morris had stayed, or Manny
- If Webber hadn't called for a timeout
- If Bass hadn't gotten injured
- If Jeff Casteel had been Defensive Coordinator
- IF Henne hadn't been injured
- If Les Miles had come
- If Harbaugh had come
There are millions of hypotheticals. Don't forget that there are also millions of negative hypotheticals.
- If the last minute pass from Miller to Posey was a completion
- If Gibbons didn't hit the Field Goal in the Sugar Bowl.
- If VT's kicker DID hit the field goal.
- If Robinson misses his free throws against Seton Hall in 1989
- If ND covers better, Gallon and Roundtree don't catch passes in the last minute.
Napoleon Dynamite quote?
Yes, Napoleon Dynamite
This thread has been really great.
My What-if has to be The Horror. What-if the team hadn't forgotten to show up for the game. How many starters were sitting out? It seemed like a lot.
Oh well. All those terrible memories are why we are where with Hoke. So there is a little silver lining.
What if we beat Purdue on Senior Day?
Individual player/career "what if" has to be Antonio Bass. What a shame.
As for in-game gaffe "what ifs", I'll go with Braylon Edwards dropping the ball (pick one).
more focused on what is...and it's pretty damn good
Another "what if" - What if it hadn't been raining the week before the Game in 2006? I remember the field at the Horseshoe coming apart each time one of our players tried to make a cut (which was a lot more than Ohio... we didn't have the greatest speed, but we were elusive).
And... what if Mike DeBord never heard of running left? Imagine how great the Henne/Hart offenses would have been.
Good point. What if we had a defensive coordinator that year who knew his Xs and Os and how to defend a spread? What if we had an offensive coordinator that wasn't has clueless as DeBord?
The defensive collapse against OSU in 2006 wasn't a matter of English lacking knowledge of how to defend the spread, it was that poor recruiting had left our secondary paper-thin. Once Adams or Barringer (can't remember which one) got hurt in the first quarter, we couldn't even play a nickle, far less the dime we should have been in. English was left with a choice between playing Johnny Sears or Chris Graham. Neither was remotely up to the task. That defensive collapse should go on recruiting rather than strategy.
What if we're all being surrounded by billions of iguanas and we just can't see them?
I am terrified right now.
And grab some pepper. Iguanas love pepper. But they hate cinnamon.
Are we talking normal iguanas or nuclear-infused-Godzilla iguanas?
I was waiting for someone to mention him. I remember watching him play in 2005 and thinking that I had never seen a player in Michigan history like him. I have no doubt in my mind that Michigan would have won a National Championship (possibly 06) if he the chance to play out his career.
His injury hurt the team more than any other decommit or transfer.
Only read the first page and not sure if anyone has mentioned him yet.
What if Crable had blocked down?
Through a mutual friend I know that Antonio is doing quite well, working out in Baltimore. Has a younger brother garduating from Lumen Christi this year.
Does your friend know if Antonio's dad has the same name and used to work at Art Van Furniture in Jackson? I ask because I used to work part time there, and one of the salesmen was named Antonio Bass. It was 2003, before the UM Antonio had become such a big time recruit.
I do know that Antonio got his degree, got a "great job" in Baltimore and is living out there. He'll be back this year for his brother's graduation. I guess his brother plays a little football as well.
Michigan would of went undefeated and beat tressel and clarrett, Heisman finalist, and they would of played Miami in the Fiesta bowl who would of won toss up. Willis McGahee wouldnt blew his knee probadly, Drew Henson would of went to the Houston Texans first overall pick the Lions would of got David Carr who might of played better for the Lions.
In three seasons of college football, Sam McGuffie has rushed for 486, 883 and 158 yards, respectively. (He suffered a season-ending injury midway through the 2011 season, but even before then his production was down.) It appears that he is a decent player but not the superstar he was billed as in high school. He probably wouldn't have beaten out Toussaint.
And Toussaint did not have anywhere near the same level of hype as McGuffie did when he came in. This is just one example of how recruiting talent doesn't always turn into wins, and yet another reason I love the current staff so much. Instead of dealing with "What Ifs" with kids that don't pan out, this staff was able to take a pretty bad roster (for Michigan) and turn into an 11 win team. There's no doubt we won't always get all the 5* players (though the '13 class is pretty ridiculous) but we'll get quality kids that will be well-coached into better players and men.
Toussaint shows what great coaching can do with a player that has been mediocre.
What if Kelly Baraka didn't like the lettuce so much. I still remember talking to members of that defense on how he was breaking 1st stringers ankles for the scout team during the bowl practices. He was an amazing talent with track speed and great agility. I think he could have put up ridiculous numbers in the early 2000's behind our lines. Such a waste of talent.
Look at how he gets up the field after that ridiculous stab, its like a cut at full speed
What if Brady Hoke was hired immediately after Lloyd Carr retired and Rich Rod had never taken the job? We would've been denied the talents of Shoelace which would have royally sucked, but where would the program be at now?