I was about to create a post on this very topic. This situation has an eerily familiar feel to it.
EDIT: Also, link to ESPN story outlining the infighting of PSU alumns.
I was about to create a post on this very topic. This situation has an eerily familiar feel to it.
EDIT: Also, link to ESPN story outlining the infighting of PSU alumns.
It's the same but different. We weren't replacing a shamed regime. The players like Bradley, but there was no way the school could have kept him.
I don't even need to read this whole garabage post to disagree with it.
Michigan's coaching search (RR) and PSU's are in no way similar, other than the fact that they are two long established schools searching for a new coach.
The PSU scandal is unlike any issue in the history of sports, let alone college, or college football.
You have to imagine that those "PSU guys" didn't want the job after what has happened, who would?
He wasn't comparing the situations, he was comparing the hires of head coaches from outside the "family". I agree with his point actually.
Honestly I really don't care much about Penn State. I still have a hard time thinking about Penn State as a Big Ten Conference school.
But the OP, which wasn't intended as a 1500-word essay, raises a very good point. I had once thought that Three and Out would be a required-reading project for our friends in Columbus. But they seem to have had no problem whatsoever in pivoting to a new guy who wasn't just unknown to them a year earlier -- they hated his guts a year earlier. No problem; just "Beat Michigan!"
The OP quite rightly points to PSU as now sounding a lot more like Eric Mayes/Michigan, than Chris Spielman/Ohio State...
Something tells me that Ohio State fans would have had a harder time accepting the new coach if it was Bill O'Brien instead of Urban Meyer. And Meyer came from the Ohio State tree. So yeah, totally different.
Plus I think a year under the old coaching staff minus the beloved former hc (effectively what some alums wanted for Michigan in 2008) helped disillusion osu fans on the romanticism of "staying in the family"
for using "required-reading" in the same sentence as Columbus, OH.
I think you missed the OP's point. He wasn't saying that the circumstances surrounding the hiring were the same, just that there are similarities in the fact that they hired a coach from outside the family and there appear to be some people upset with that.
I didn't miss the point, alot of people are making it, Greenie said the same thing this morning on Mike&Mike
Any alumni who is so blind that they are actually angry with the "outside the family" hire, is just as ignorant as the dumb 18 year old who riotted after JoePa fired.
This was an istitutional issue from the top down, and not a recruiting violation one, but a child molestation issue. You have to dump house, and go a different way and sell people on a "New Penn State."
The issue with O'Brien is that he is from "outside the family" and unqualified. You can't be both, and thats why the alumni are angry and it will be very interesting to watch going forward.
Then you get these comments agreeing with the poster, mgouser Blue in Yarmouth comment: "It looks like this guy is just as much behind the 8ball as RR."
O'Brien is 100x more behind the 8ball then RR, he isn't even on the table.
You know there's a "reply" function
Right. So you actually agree with the post, if you would care to actually read it. He's saying that PSU needs to learn that a lack of support for their head coach will ultimately lead to bad things.
whether Tom Bradley (or others on the staff) ever knew what was going on.
The Grand Jury report showed only that McQuery told JoePa, but not anyone else on the staff, so it's really just a matter of did the other coaches know? There is no evidence that they did, other than "they should have knew".
How do you even know you didn't miss the point if you didn't read the OP?
You really should. I know that many think that Ziff is just a "pro-RR" guy (and I admit that I expected the post to somehow have that message), but despite my disagreement with his stance on RR, I usually find him to be logical and well thought-out on his views.
This post had nothing to do with RR. The point, which is a good one, is that PSU is a tradition rich school, just like Michigan. They have had a single coaxching regime in place for decades, as we did (Bo, Mo, LC). Making a change from a decades-loved regime is going to be tough, regardless of who is hired, and seeing what we went through, it probably would have been wise for PSU to either (1) hire someone with a tie to PSU (former star player who is currently an asst. coach in the NFL or at a decent college team), (2) hire a huge name like OSU did with Meyer that everyone would celebrate (difficult, given their circumstance, or (3), if you are going outside of the family, get the alums and former players on board FIRST and make them feel as if they have a say in the process.
Good points, Ziff.
I feel a little naughty with us being so in sync.
Mostly I appreciate someone actually read one of my posts and didn't input RR subtext where it wasn't included.
I feel like some people try to read my posts really slowly so they can here "Paul's Dead" and "RR is the man" in there somewhere.
I think maybe I need a formal burial so I can post free of RR bias.
You nailed my point perfectly and better than I actually said it. Thanks.
Actually I think you mean they didn't appear to learn our lesson. It never happened to penn state so it wasn't their lesson to learn.
I agree with your point though. It looks like he is just as much behind the 8 ball as RR was when he took the job. At least RR had some experience though, this poor sap doesn't even have that. Good luck Penn St....I think you're gonna need it.
obviously not. i'm sending a copy of 3 and out to all my psu buddies so they know what they have to look forward to.
They had to "go outside the family" for PR reasons. The old regime was so badly stained it would look like they hadn't taken the Sandusky incident seriously enough. In my opinion, the best thing for PSU football is to completely remake the program. That means an outsider had to be the one to take the helm.
they definitely had to "go outside the family", but they could have reached out to the former players and asked for support/made sure everyone was on board to avoid fracturing the support structure. they clearly did not. o'brien has the deck stacked against him far worse than rr did.
While I understand your point about outreach, I personally don't think it would have made any difference. If someone doesn't understand the need for a hire like this, I don't think a phone call asking alumni to play nice will make much difference. Some people are simply too far entrenched with the old guard to accept this, pleas from the university included or not. A separation from the old players, and Paterno loyalists may not be the worst thing here. While it may lead to some on field pains, it is absolutely necessary for PSU football five years from now and beyond.
They could have included some former players in the process in some way. Let them have their say and tell them why they were looking outside the "family". There would still be some hurt feelings, but it would have been a smart move for many reasons.
There wasn't much PSU could do once they made their hire. It looks like the news was leaked immediately.
just as long as that person isn't Matt Millen, for their sake.
they would have had to start the outreach long before the hire and actually, you know, listened to people.
And the alums would need to allow themselves to be reasoned with. Doesn't seem like that would have been likely.
true, they wouldn't have been able to get 100% support, but they could have at least minimized damages. right now it's just a shit show.
I agree that they needed to go outside of the current staff. If they admit that they need to go outside the family (even for the sake of perception), isn't it at least a small admission that - "yeah everybody pretty much knew what the hell was going on"?
If they don't admit they need to, they have deniability.
I don't see that this is an admission of guilt. This is taking that question and all the potential speculation off the table. It is a necessary move to put an impossibly ugly scandal in the past., or at least as much as possible.
They had to go outside, but this pick really seems like a stretch.
I refuse to believe that Bradley had no knowledge that his predecessor was a pedophile and was still walking around the facilities. I do think it's a tough situaton for Bradley, since Paterno and the sr. adminstration all knew and had "addressed" the issue.
To me, it just seems like a completely random hire more than anything else. While I'm not surprised that they bypassed internal candidates like Bradley and Johnson, I thought that they would go with either an established college coach or a leading coordinator.
O'Brien just seems out of nowhere. He has a lot of college experience, but nothing since 2006. I hadn't heard him mentioned for a college job at all. Does he have some connection with David Joyner?
I'm not saying that its necessarily a bad hire, I just don't understand it.
A lot of people thought they needed a clean start. It's an odd hire, but there were rumors that other candidates were avoiding the PSU job like the plague.
Would people really feel they learned their lesson if they kept Tom Bradley? Would people really feel they learned their lesson if they made Jay Paterno head coach? We don't really know how far this scandal goes.
If the new head coach wins, then the critics will be silenced. PSU needs to be supportive of their new coach and give the guy a fair chance.
I don't see that support coming any time soon
"Former Penn State All-American linebacker Brandon Short told ESPN.com senior writer Don Van Natta Jr. that members of the influential Lettermen's Club have a meeting scheduled with Joyner for Friday at 1 p.m. ET.
"It's unfortunate that coach O'Brien ... has not been made aware of the implications of him being in this position," said Short, an investment banker. "I don't envy him at all. He doesn't have support of the vast majority of former Penn State players and the vast majority of the student body and the faculty won't support him. I feel sorry for him."
Short said some members of the group were considering a range of options to express their displeasure, including asking current players to transfer and recruits to de-commit. Short told USA Today they were mulling a lawsuit in an effort to bar Penn State from using their likenesses or images for marketing purposes.
"It appears as if it is Dave Joyner's intent to disassociate himself with everything related Penn State," Short told ESPN.com. "Then a group of former players will now disassociate ourselves from everything related to Penn State."
Makes the RR era seem like kumbayah
Dear god, what a self-absorbed narcissistic ass. News flash: your glory days are over, it's about the current players now. Don't sell out their chance at success just to stroke your own damn ego.
Support your alma mater even if your personal favorite did not win the coaching search. You are only worsening the dishonor your program wrought upon itself.
I just want to know how Matt Millen feels about this hire.
How has your post not been moderated yet? It's still a score of 1 and I can't imagine it's been upvoted and down voted. That's some funny shit.
+1 to you, sir.
Totally different. Even if O'Brien fails, they needed someone outside of Happy Valley. I think at this point, PSU would take a RichRod type record, as long as they run a clean program. If he fails, you can fire him in a few years and rethink it. Their goal is not wins or losses right now, but to improve their overall image. I think O'Brien does that.
This whole thing is so sad and effed up, I hate to speculate on more problems.
It feels a little like crowing to suggest that PSU will soon be facing "house divided" issues like UM did with the RR era. Who knows what is going to happen; I am sure there will be painful adjustments as the University administration attempts to "rightsize" athletics in terms of power and priorities on their campus, probably amidst strong objections of many students and alumni. Whether or not their current choice makes that process even worse, I dunno, but I hope not.
Their 'family', such as the Titans coach, didn't want anything to do with them. As the search went on it became increasingly clear that anyone who was a remotely hot commodity was aiming for a different job. It's hard to hire your family members when none of them will return your calls.
As it stands they at least got a guy who has some cachet as a NFL caliber coach. So they have that going for them. In all likely hood PSU is going to spend a few years wandering in the desert. All kinds of investigations, the fact that PSU football needs to lie low for awhile, the constant reminders of the scandal as the trials drag on.
This really isn't the important hire. Off the field factors likely destroyed PSU football for awhile. The important hire is the guy after this one in five years or whenever PSU can start to rebuild. That will be the one that determines if they move forward again or pull a Notre Dame.
I think PSU took the sacrificial lamb approach to this hire. Realizing their program/image has taken a massive blow, and most likely could get worse, they went with a hire where they really have nothing to lose. I don't think anyone who was seriously interested in that job was going to come out successful and this way if he struggles for a couple years while they work to improve their reputation than so be it. If he wins that's really just an added bonus but it really comes down to who they hire after this down period, where they can sell to candidates that they can bring back the tradition of PSU football and won't have to deal with all of the recent events fresh in everyones mind.
I'm not being critical of the hire or their process. They are in a tough situation. All I'm saying is that being critical of the coach no matter who it is is not going to help.
If you were a PSU famous alumni I would tell you this. Regardless of how you feel you can do 2 things.
1. Help this guy in anyway possible and if he fails we'll replace him and if he succeeds we'll all be happy.
2. Take shots at the guy and he will surely fail because he won't be able to get recruits or support.
Are you prepared to waste 3 years of football and sentence all the kids on the team to doom fro the next 3 years just so you can get what you want?
The answer to me is clear, but I know that for some people it is not.
The process looks like a mess. If they wanted to go outside the family then why did they go after Munchak? If they thought they could stay within the JoePA tree and avoid a media relations disaster I think they should based on this.
But he has to learn from Hoke and hire great assistant coaches. Open up the PSU coffers and pay big money for great assistants. With good coaching comes recruits and wins, and they will be fine.
If they are cheap with assistants, no way this works.
I wonder where those assistants are coming from. Are they truly cleaning house or will they keep a lot of the current staff? O'Brien doesn't have his own staff to bring over, nor much time to assemble one. I'm not sure why this opportunity is going to look so great to any top-flight assistants.
I respectfully disagree. Throwing money at a problem situation won't help; you need the alumni and students behind the hire and they simply aren't.
I agree in the most general sense. I also think there is one further parallel: the loss of the "head of the family." Even though JoePa is still alive, he is done with PSU football. In the same way that Bo was the head of the Michigan family for so many years, JoePa (probably moreso than Bo, even) has been the head of the PSU family. They've lost their head now, and who's going to step up to be that uniting leader? Michigan really didn't have anybody step up (and I'd say they still haven't, though the waters are certainly more calm now), and we all saw how the family turned against itself. With the comments from LaVarr Arrington and Brandon Short, I'd say PSU is in desperate need of someone who can step up.
Very interesting point of view. Although, I doubt even the dumbest NFL players would be hesitant to say "Joe Paterno's Penn State University" considering what's been going on under his watch the past few years.
I might gag if that happens. It's not even schadenfreude since we've been putting up with the same nonsense from "Michigan Men."
Al Golden - 2 million dollars a year. I don't understand why this didn' t happen.
Did he want the PSU job?
Says a lot if the Miami job was still more attractive to him
If Al was even approached by PSU....
Wonder if Al will revisit the "No" answer he provided, when NCAA brings the banhammer down, and Miami gets a 5-year bowl ban, a 25 scholie-per-year reduction, and is required to play in all white uniforms w/ no logo or coloring for 5 years to eliminate the culture of the program. When Al sees 4 and 5 star kids in Miami committing to South Florida and UCF and FIU (or is it FAU) over his program... he might go, gee, did I make the right choice.
But it doesn't have to be an either/or situation. There will be other major jobs - ones that don't have a horrific pedophilia scandal - that come open in the future. He may be better off biding his time for now.
This hire seems like it is the first step in basically starting a whole new "family" at PSU, given what various members of the old one have been accused of, and perhaps this is exactly what they needed to do even if it means that they troll the bottom of the Leaders division for a time. They'll need that time to re-invent PSU football's image. I would hope that the PSU fans and alums would band together and be supportive, because a brave new era in football was guaranteed once Paterno was fired.
Did they learn our lesson? If we're talking about handling hires outside the family, then probably not, even if theirs arose under vastly different circumstances. We had an AD that was fond of sailing, whereas they have an interim AD that took over after the previous one was let go because of an alleged cover-up. They are also bringing in someone very late who will be perpetually behind for perhaps much of the first year, making it extremely difficult to keep the class together and bring in new recruits, I would imagine. People generally aren't huge on abrupt, forced change.
Is it a sexy hire? No. Does NFL OC experience automatically translate to college HC success. Not even close. What they did do was find someone with a respectable resume who can hopefully convince quality kids and their parents to buy into the university.
PSU might struggle for a few years, and OBrien might not last past 4 years, but cleaning up their image is the number one priority.
This is nothing like the RR situation. If you are set on comparing it to U of M, it's a lot like the situation the Michigan basketball program was in after the Fab 5 ordeal.
I think PSU might just be happy that someone took the job. Maybe they aren't sure it'll go well but maybe they're hoping if he bottoms out after 3-4 years that court stuff will be settled / the house will be cleaned and if they let O'Brien go, a bigger name coach will come in
On a 4 to 5 year timeline, Meyer might be back in play right around then. 4 years at tOSU, one year for health issues, and game on!
A very large problem no one is talking about is that he's staying to coach the Patriots through their playoff run and if they make the Super Bowl that means he's NOT recruiting until basically signing day. How will he put together a staff AND coach New England? Who is going to recruit and what will they tell the kids? How will they get anybody and i mean anybody worth a damn to commit which means your'e dooming the program in years 2-5 no matter how well he does next year.
This makes our search process look the most carefully planned out and executed managerial transitiion in history by comparison.
I'm sure Hoke's first few weeks on the job in January were 24/7 dedicated to salvaging the recruiting class as much as possible. At least he had 3-4 weeks to do so. A deep Patriots playoff run will absolutely gut O'Brien's first recruiting class (as if recruiting wasn't going to be hard enough post-scandal this year). How can he have any extra time in this current schedule to assemble a staff and recruit?
and I hate Bill Belichick (Cleveland ties and other high crimes), buuuut seeing Tom Brady put together some epic shows might just be worth it this year.
Family was essentially aiding and abetting an alleged child molester, so i think going outside the family was probably a good idea.
It's unfair to compare the two in that 1) Michigan was a program that was (with the exception of a couple of subpar Carr recruiting classes) completely intact. There were no violations/controversy/recruits ready to jump ship. 2) Martin had a year to gameplan/research/interview/hire a coach. PSU has a less desirable offering than we did due to circumstance (and I'd argue a less desirable offering regardless), and they had only a couple months to figure out whom to fill it with. Fewer viable candidates and, therefore, screwed in terms of finding an "in-family" guy with appropriate credentials who might take on that difficult position.
The OP is suggesting that the one, and only, way this is similar to the UM debacle with the RR hiring process was the failure of Joyner to get input and support from key people in and around the program.
If they wanted a Patriots coach with no authority they should have gone with Pepper Johnson and kept up with the Linebacker U moniker
O'Brien is not coming with an entire staff of his own, as RR did at Michigan. He is, presumably, free to hire PSU alumni for his staff. So he can mitigate this with a few quality alumni hires. The question is -- will anyone qualified be willing to come? It can't be a terribly long list -- ex-Penn State players who are assistant coaches elsewhere.
Dude, there is no way Penn State could have hired a member of the current staff or any staff that Sandusky was on. They would have been crucified by the media, child advocacy groups, etc--not to mention recruits' families and opposing coaches. Penn State has had extraordinary success retaining its coaching staff over the years, but right now it is working to their detriment. I can't think of a single Penn State alum/former coach (outside of the Titan's coach who turned them down) who would be qualified to take over a Big 10 program. Even if there are other people available, they probably were examined and either rejected or displayed no interest themselves, given that the search took a really long time.
This guy is going to get fired in 3-4 years and Penn State football will be a smoking crater, but given what has come to light, there's nothing anyone can do about it.
Paterno as the patriarch could bring everyone into line if he so chooses. That's a big difference.
These seem to be the issues:
1. Former Penn State players wanted Tom Bradley. Bad.
2. PSU administration knew that they needed to go outside the "family" to show that they are "ushering in a new culture" or whatever trendy phrase people are using currently.
3. The job currently isn't as enticing as many PSU fans, alums, and former players may think.
4. PSU fans wanted their own big splash hire that Ohio got with Urban Meyer.
5. The administration keeps dragging this thing out trying to find someone with a great job who doesn't want to touch the situation. All of this happening through necessary recruiting time.
6. PSU administration may be a little too enamored with the NFL being on a resume.
7. PSU administration has set its eyes on the "big dogs," instead of even eyeing the possibility of finding a young up and comer that is naive enough (or has a big enough ego, which most coaches do) to think he can change everything.
Because of all of this, I am kind of surprised they didn't hire Millen or some other alum just to rally the troops. OJ McDuffie anyone?
I'm not surprised they didn't hire Millen. That was probably one of the best decisions they made.
Isn't that true of almost all programs? There are only so many big name splash hires, and it usually involves Saban's eyes wandering again. OSU just did it because they perfectly timed their scandal right when a guy who had multiple national champions and Ohio ties "retired" a year earlier. If the scandal breaks a year earlier, they're probably scrambling to hire someone to prevent a crater there. Heck, it's not like anyone really wanted Tressel either, even though he proved to be a good coach. Michigan came close a couple of times, but were foiled by a National Championship game, and then wandering eyes of the NFL. But they still managed to find a good coaching fit, even though it wasn't sexy. The automatic hires are few and far between.
I'm still surprised they didn't go with the San Fran offensive coordinator, who's an east coast guy, has college experience, and seems to really want the job. Would make more sense than this, and can still separate themselves from the past without looking like a complete give up.
I felt the exact same last night watching the reactions on TV. It all seemed all too familiar. Looks like we won't have to worry about playing PSU in the BTCG the next few years at least...
There is only going to be one way to make everyone happy. JUST WIN BABY!!!
Much different situation, no school has really had to deal with a coaching change anywhere near this type of situation: a coach who was with the school longer than any other head coach in Ncaa history who ended up being fired over a gross mishandling of child sexual abuse allegations in the program.
In essence, there was no situation in which there wouldn't be great division among alums, fans, journalists, etc. To compare our prior coaching situation to their's is unfair and nonequivalent on so many levels.
Watching this happen with the former players - it really hits home the issues RR and staff must have had recruiting with all the negative vibe around AA during his tenure.
I imagine a certail Mr. Reeves watching these comments on ESPN et al and deciding to make a call to Coach Mattison/Hoke ASAP.
I suppose PSU can still make a splash with their own "Mattison"; and a coordinator job might even be more attractive to a hot prospect with HC aspirations given with the general feeling that this will be an interim/short-tern tenure for the new HC However, unless O'Brien (sp?) has already been lining up a staff in anticipation of this move (HC position somewhere) I do not see how it will be done smoothly given his commitments through the Patriots playoff run.
In order to get Reeves we may have to take Camren Williams as well. I didn't realize at the time we lost out for his services that Williams and Reeves played together in HS.
Considering the number of members from 'inside the family' who knew about this Sandusky crap and did nothing about it, I'd say it was right to look elsewhere. The kind of mess that PSU is going through right now and is going to KEEP going through for a while means they have to take what they can get. And who is going to actually WANT to coach there right now?
Going outside the family works and doesn't work. Not every situation is going to be a RichRod thing. I'm kind of glad Don Canham went outside the family in 1968. Aren't you?
agree with everything you said!
On one hand you want to tighten the ship...pull everyone together to work through this ordeal, but on the other hand, you want to bring in fresh blood to change the culture. They want to get out from under Joe -Pa's shadow. It's possible that they could've hired him, expecting him to fail, and in 3 years when the storm has died down, they acn bring it back home with someone they all love and who would be embraced a la Hoke. Kinda far-fetched but a possibility...it's worked well for Michigan.
they should have kept the interim head coach. seems like psu will be down for a long time. i think he'll have less support than rich rod.
This is a very flawed comparison because there is a huge difference in the situations - Michigan did not have a deeply rooted, shameful scandal within its family. Penn State did, which created the need to go completely outside their "family". It's a shame the Brandon Shorts of the family still don't get that. The people in charge now, to their credit, seem to understand that even consulting anyone within the family on this could have created more problems than it was worth. They all need to just shut up, forget their tradition for a while, and think about the victims.
Paterno and his cabal and have trashed any PSU tradition and their own legacy.
Unlike Michigan, who saw a very successful head coach retire under decent circumstances, PSU is stuck between a rock and a hard place. There is still a substantial faction at PSU that is, to say the least, unhappy about Paterno's firing and wants a hire from inside the PSU family. And PSU cannot hire anyone connected to the old regime because the old regime has been irrevocably tarnished and PSU needs to make a clean break so as to take the stigma off the program as much as possible. And to top it all off, PSU has to contend with the possibility of sanctions from the NCAA and Big Ten, in addition to the massive PR issues they have, making it very difficult to find any qualified guys who actually want the job. Thus, the transition was inevitably going be messy and end up with a bunch of angry people, and the only way any potential hire can survive the storm is to win quickly, which will be very hard in the near future.
I'm hoping that Armani doesn't like the new hire. That is all.
Actually, that isn't all. I can't get my head around PSU. I understand cheating and paying players and having hookers with blow waiting for you in your dorm room, but that the Sandusky situation I can't understand. So, knowing you are walking into a FUBAR situation has got to make it hard to hire the right guy... you can't stay "in the family," as everyone associated with PSU is stained. You won't get a big gun to walk into it because it is a death sentence.
I honestly don't know how much they could learn from our situation. The guy walking into it had better have read RichRod's account of what happened in A2 so he knows what to stay away from as far as PR blunders and understanding TRADITION, but he's going to have a mountain of working to rebuilt PSU's image. That's something that RichRod was facing as he arrived in A2.
the double post! Sweet!
just as much as the Sandusky scandal is. If JoePa hadn't let his ego make decisions for him, he would have voluntarily stepped down years ago, and would have worked with the AD dept to map out a sensible transition. If he had retired 10 years ago like he should have, it's even possible that his replacement might have recognized the time bomb that Sandusky was and done something about it.
Pride goeth before the fall, as always.
Or if he would have retired 15 years ago, Sandusky would have been head coach.
The guy's resume was sick, coaching Peyton Manning and Tom Brady to Super Bowls and currently killing it with the Calgary Stampeders. PSU never interviewed him.
Nobody knows anything about O'Brien. He may be decent or even good. But Hufnagel would have been great for Penn State football.
My gut tells me this hire of O'Brien will turn out to be a major mistake.
Yes, Hufnagel playd for Paterno, but way back in the early 1970s (1970-1972) and has no connections with Sandusky. Hufnagel is still ranked 10th in all-time PSU passing yards, which is freaking nuts.
John Coleman Hufnagel (born September 13, 1951) is 61 years old. He would've been the slam dunk choice had JoePa had the decency and respect for PSU to retire about 10 years ago. But he didn't so he's not.
They basically took the Charlie Weiss situation (OC with no head coaching experience) and Rich Rod situation (totally screwed up the hiring process and hired someone no one agrees with) and combined them into one. This cannot possibly be good.
I've been to Happy Valley twice. Enjoyed it both times. People were friendly, warm, solid. But my impression of the place then squares presaged today: It's a deep-woods culture, one more akin to West Virginia's than Indiana's or Iowa's. We're talking Deer Hunter.
They convinced each other that the search was only taking so long because they were going to get Saban or Miles.
If they hired someone with any connection to the program at all, the new coach would have had to deal with constant questions from the media at every stage of the legal process with Sandusky. Did you know what was going on? When you played here were there any suspicions? Did anyone ever say something to you about it? What would make that bad isn't the worry that something might come out, it's the fact that the whole thing would never be put in the past if it kept being talked about to the new coach.
Relevant coaches who didn't go to Penn State didn't want any part of the job, and you can't blame them. With this hire they have made it easy for the coach to say: Look I'm brand new here, my goal is to restore pride to the program and win games. I can't answer any questions about the past, I've never met Joe Paterno until now, I've never met Jerry Sandusky, I've never been in any buildings here on campus. Let's just talk football.
He has no HC experience which is a real biggie. And his college experience as a recruiter is kind of limited. They must have been starting to panic and felt grabbing the first decent guy who said yes was better than waiting another week or two where they could probably kiss most of their recruiting class goodbye. This could get pretty ugly for Penn State depending on how big a stink the former players make over the hire. If they do, you might see how a situation you didn't think could get any worse, actually does.
This may have been asked earlier in this lengthening thread, but what happened to Greg Shiano (sp?) . It was always strongly rumored that he didn't leave Rutgers for several good openings (including ours) because he wanted to replace Joe.
With the way this whole thing has gone, I wouldn't be surprised if
A. Penn St didn't even contact Shiano or
B. He said no
Tom Brady has turned another OC into a head coach:Weiss,Josh McDaniel and now O'Brien...I may have missed a few.....polishing up my OC resume as we speak,I assume Tom still has a few years left in him
It looks like the new coach O'Brien will get the same treatment that RR got from some at MIchigan. A number of previous players and some fans are already withholding support for the new coach. We'll have to see what Paterno does. Does he act like Lloyd and tell the players to all leave? I still can't believe after what Lloyd did that Michigan still caters to the clown. I was shocked to see him on the field at the Sugar Bowl. If Brandon and Hoke continue to make him a part of this team I will begin to lose interest.
As a PSU alum who is a lifelong Michigan fan, this is the best gift I could ask for. After 3 years of losing while the Michigan program was in dissarray I welcome Coach O'Brien's hire. This is going to be fun!