This is what Michigan fans have been reduced to. Looking at rival teams and hoping they are weaker next year. Good gosh.
Mike Lantry, 1972
This is what Michigan fans have been reduced to. Looking at rival teams and hoping they are weaker next year. Good gosh.
When exactly would we have not been saying that? When was this mystical time that we weren't worried about our rivals talent levels?
When Michigan owned John Cooper and it usually took some sort of dodgy play for MSU to win.
Yeah we totally weren't worried about OSUs talent during the 90s. Nothing but smooth sailing back then. Wow
And almost went to another national championship game
Obviously this team has the potential to go 10-2 or 11-1 next year IF the OC coaches to the players strengths like he did yesterday. I still think Borges and Funk are the weakest links in the chain and I'm not sold on Wellman and the S&C team.
I am hopeful and will be more optimistic by next season. Ideally Funk is gone after the season, but I fear this staff will be exactly yhe same next season and we'll struggle in places we shouldn't and REALLY struggle with our rivals. 7-5 or 8-4 at best I fear.
Just hope they take that toughness they played with on Saturday into the bowl game.
Yesterdays game showed that we have playmakers even in the younger guys.. Does this make me see Al and Funk different? Nope because they still need to go and what pisses me off is where was this game week 3 and on? It tells me they took it waaay to easy.
do people not remember last saturday when we lost to Iowa? we had 158 yards in that game, if we were able to gain 603 yards vs. OSU why could we not beat iowa? aL bORGES IS WHY, you people infuriate me to no end!!!!!!!!!!! AFBSAKLBVKFBVJA OV BROVBNHRNVWORN KVN WKJRF VW
It kind of just reminds me of all the potential this team has, and that it could very well be squandered once again next season.
But, I'm going to try to be optimistic and say I think the team next year will be quite a bit better. I hope maturity and the fact they will all have faced a good amount of adversity in the 2013 season will make the players go into the season with some big chips on their shoulders. I know, I know.. Wishful thinking..
I know everyone will get upset with this but Hoke is not recruiting difference makers. Other than Peppers, and he is probably gone, Hoke has recruited really nice kids but not elite talent (but.....but......Green....). I know everyone is going to get butthurt over this but Urb is recruiting talent that wins NC and Hoke is not.
morris, green, darboh, harris & harris, campbell, peppers; just to name a few. those are all high 4*/5* potential playmakers. every school in the country would take those guys.
If through bowl,spring and fall practices we get a traditional UM O line I see great improvement next year. That game definitely bought Al another year. Sad but true.
so frustrated hard to make a rational prediction. its really going to suck losing to OSU and MSU yet again, but seems inevitable.
what pisses me off is hokes "this was a shitty season" speach he made last year. this year was 10x worse. was he just thinking out loud or do his words mean anything? because if they were more than words you'd think we'd see some accountability in action.
right now i'm feeling like hoke and co are all talk. "this is michigan fergodsakes" doesn't seem to mean so much 3 years later.
6-6 or 7-5..... Hate to say it, but I just don't see where the wins are going to come from....
We could easily lose to Utah or PSU at home, Northwestern away, and then there's at ND, MSU, and OSU....
I really, really, really want to believe that we're going to be awesome and win the Big Ten, but it's just hard to envision it at the moment...
Low expectations and EXTREMELY high hopes.
It made me angry about 2013. I watched in disbelief as we movedthe ball all over a defense that was better than those that completely shut us down.
Borges is like a neighbor who constantly borrows your car and then you learn he has 3 cars of his own in his garage. WTF has he been doing all year?
If Kugler can put on weight and come in as advertised, then it's possible that Kalis is the only returning starter from this game. I assume Magnuson will be the right tackle, but who knows. Maybe Glasgow holds off one of the young guys
2 new starters at Tackle is already making me nervous
It reaffirmed my feeling that the devil we know is better than random Debordian coordinator. We're not going to get a good coordinator after the bowl games - who worthwhile is coming here when his potential boss was forced to fire his predecessor? - and Borges can get the most out of these guys.
To be clear I am not saying that Borges did a good job this year. I am saying that this year was more set on fire by O-line inexperience than poor play calling, and that 90+% of coordinators would have done the same or worse.
$500k + per year is plenty of incentive for a good OC to take a chance on; especially given the talent on that roster next year and beyond.
Moves my expectations up, but only slightly. Not wise to over react to a single performance.
I've always looked at this as a five to six year process as the staff basically rebuilds the roster. The RichRod three year talent gap pretty much populated the upper classes this year so 2013 was probably the year we would bottomed out. I look for a gradual climb back up, and 8-4 seems realistic for 2014.
My expectations won't change much unless there is a shake up coaching wise (i.e. new OC).
Much of the success or lackthereof will come with Gardner's improvement. Without a new QB coach, I'm not sure what to expect out of him next year. The three big road games will be a challenge - ND, MSU, OSU. The Utah game scares the crap out of me too. We could easily drop those four games and another woulda/coudla/shoulda. I think we are marginally improved if no coaching changes take place 8-4 overall (5-3 in the B1G).
New coaching talent on offense could spice things up but learning a new system could be just as bad if not worse than sticking with Borges at least in the short-term.
Gets 9-10 wins next year, hell, they should have had 9 this year. A year of experience and other teams rebuilding next year, I see us winning at least 9. I think we lose to ND but beat MSU and Ohio. It's about our time boys, hang on.
Nope. Unless a new OC is hired, mediocre to poor performance is my expectation.
No. This was one outlier performance that wasnt even enough to get the win at home. Likely to see more of the same next year.
I predicted the Michigan-Iowa game would be 21-21, and Ohio-Michigan would be 42-7, so you can be sure that half of this prediction will be accurate.
Aug. 30 APPALACHIAN STATE - Win, because if not, holy hell are we in trouble
Sept. 6 at Notre Dame - toss up, but with a 5th year senior at QB, we have a shot. I'll go with a win in the last match-up. Serves them right for cancelling the series. Don't mess with karma ND.
Sept. 13 MIAMI (Ohio) - Win because obviously
Sept. 20 UTAH - at Utah would be trouble, but this is at home, win.
Sept. 27 MINNESOTA* - They played better this year, but apparently we own them. Win.
Oct. 4 at Rutgers* - May be very similar to UConn this year, but Rutgers is better than UConn. I expect we'll welcome them to the B14 in style. Win.
Oct. 11 PENN STATE* - A sophomore Hackenburg presents more problems, but again, home field advantage is huge. Win.
Oct. 25 at Michigan State* - They suffer some personnel losses on defense. We have got to turn around the narrative of this series. Win, but only out of necessity, and I'm not sure that's a valid reason.
Nov. 1 INDIANA* (HC) - Homecoming vs. Indiana? That's another win. I thought this schedule was supposed to be tough, yet I have us at 9-0 so far. The eternal optimist returns.
Nov. 8 at Northwestern* - they were 1-7 in BIG play this year. Win.
Nov. 22 MARYLAND* - Seriously? Win.
Nov. 29 at Ohio State* - Toss-up. I guess it depends on how many of them turn pro. Let's say with O-line losses and early entries, they're playing a lot of young kids and making mistakes that we made this year. Win.
So it's on to the B1G championship game against... Wisconsin. Let's win that too, while we're at it.
In reality, we're probably looking at losing 2 of @ND, @MSU, @OSU, and getting upset once at home. I'd be happy with 9-3 after 8-4 and 7-5 seasons.
1.) @ ND, 2.) @ MSU and 3.) @ OSU. Plus I know there are one or two loses out there. So, no I don't think the record will improve much. I'm hoping the team will. We will have a very young OL and hopefully during summer camp a group of starters will emerge and they must play this unit through the season.
Borges will be the OC and will call some inconsistent games. This how Borges rolls.
If Michigan loses to MSU and Ohio next year Hoke should be let go.
Stop repeating yourself. We heard you the first 800 times and you're not contributing anything new to the board. Now it's just noise.
was close minus the one I EL. With better luck next year and the experience coming back, I'd say we have an actual serious shot at the B1G title game. Not just an average shot like this year.
If I had to make a prediction, I would go 8-4, this team is still young. I think the team will be much better by the end of the season. OSU will have a tough fight on their hands. Everything turns around in 2015, even with Morris at QB! I'm going with a prediction of 10-2 or 11-1 in 2015. If we have 4 or more loses in 2015 then we need a new coach.
Shows what our team can do with some good coaching (minus the 2 pt play)
I'm optimistic for next year. Pisses me off to think what this year could have been tho ...
All depends on the Oline and the play calling.
team shows up for the bowl game that played OSU yesterday ill be excited for next season.
In 2014 I will continue to expect losses to teams we should beat, barely beating teams we should blow out, and overachieving but still losing to very good teams. Yay.
With apologies to W.B. Yeats: “Being [a UM fan], he had an abiding sense of tragedy, which sustained him through temporary periods of joy.”
WIll someone point out to me all these daunting games eveyrone is so scared of? All over the interwebz is "OMGZ Meechigans 2014 schedule is brutal!". I see 8 games that should absolutely be wins...if they are not the whole season is a shit show and the whole staff will be fired...I just don't see that next year.
Then I see 4 toss ups. If we win 2 of the toss ups you got 10-2. Anything worse than 9-3 should be viewed a colossal failure. As far as those toss up games I feel pretty strongly UM should actually win 3 of those games.
at Notre dame....Toss Up
Penn State....Toss up
at MSU....Toss up
at ohio....Toss up
"Feel" is appropriate, since you can't point to any evidence of how we've actually performed on the road under Hoke to support calling road games at MSU, ND, and OSU as "tossups."
Well hard evidence is tough to state. The hard evidence probably showed UM being 10-2 or 11-1 right now after the notre dame game, but after being 7-4 the hard evidence probably showed UM getting blown out by osu.
Sometimes I think we dissect it too much. When i was workign as an athletic trainer at BG I heard meyer say a couple things over and over...dynamic talent and experience wins 99% of the time. That is also how I do my sports betting for college...trutfhully it usually pans out well. Not always...but usually.
There was major coaching issues there that caused UM to lose to some teams that do not have more dynamic talent and/or experience than.
But generally year in and year out that simple equation tells a lot; team with more dynamic talent combined with more experience wins. When I look at the schedule I see UM getting more talented, and the current talent more experienced. I see a team that will have more experienced talent than 10 to 12 of the teams they will play. The 4 "toss up games" are based on road games and the upredictability of 18-22 year olds. Hence my 9-3 at worst but should be 10-2.
Don't care what happened last Saturday or any other game this season. Don't care who's coaching, calling plays or what games will be played where.
What I do care about is next years offensive line.
Unless guys like Braden, Kalis, Magnuson, Bryant and some
Of the freshman take huge steps forward. Next year could be a lot
Of the same... I expect Gardner and the running backs to
Improve. But you're only as good as the guys blocking for you.
Before Saturday I expected Michigan to go 15-0 in 2014. After Saturday, I expect Michigan to go 15-0 in 2014.
Road schedule is brutal.
There is no hard evidence right now that OL coaching is what it needs to be—we're left with hoping that our struggles are purely and only a result of youth.
Nor is there any hard evidence IMHO that our S&C staff is building the strength that we need, especially on the OL and DL. Again, we're left with the explanation that seeing our OL and DLs get pushed back frequently at the snap is due solely and only to our youth.