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I don't think they changed Les at all actually
national champs baby
Patrick Hruby is doing God's work.
first comment: "EVERY ATHLETE HAS ASPIRATIONS OF WINNING AND WE HAVE OUR FAVORITES BUT IT IS ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO OTHER STUDENTS ACHIEVE THEIR GOALS, TOO!"
stupid Pistons and their refusal to tank properly
rundown of Michigan's riser
needs moar usage
so much for that
This list is completely arbitrary and not a genuine analysis of the relative merits of state fossils.
will be michigan's highest pick in a while
money has to go somewhere
I am only motivated by people who have no opinion about me.
the just released schedules were a flat-out statement that the B10 doesn't believe SOS will matter in playoff selection
but I thought that draft was supposed to be incredibly loaded?
I think replay is a great tool. I just don't think it makes sense to say that inherently unsportsmanlike conduct is acceptable because we can just review the play, which seems to be your suggestion.
I'm not trying to advocate flopping, but just like a good defensive player (like Novak did, for example) adds a little acting to the end of a charge to make sure he gets the ref's full attention, I don't have a huge issue with a player really emphasizing that a elbow has contacted his head. With the elbow rule out in full force, having replay there for the officials to determine whether the contact was incidental or flagrant just personally makes me a little more comfortable with this dramatization (in moderation). On the other end, flat out flopping and crossing your fingers that the ref buys it or will magically see something on the monitor that makes it swing your way is utterly uncalled for.
Edit: To show how biased I am on the subject of flopping, I was a long snapper in my football playing days and would purposely take a little bit longer to lift my head back up after a snap. If someone dare try to touch me at least quasi head on while I was still in my prone position, I would flamboyantly drop to ground to let the ref know he needs to at least think about throwing his flag. There is unfortunately an art behind the strategic flop and it serves a purpose (again, in moderation).
I have no problem with people exagerrating a true foul to show the ref that it was indeed a foul. I guess the problem I have is that the refs frequently DO buy this kind of blatant flopping. It may be a different story with elbows, but I just think too much of the game today is trying to get the whistle. There is a reason people make fun of professional soccer. Flopping has done serious damage to the sport, and I don't want basketball to suffer the same fate.
Nor can I...
I may or may not come to your place of residence in anger because you reminded me of this. Hopefully the jury blows the call and I get off scot free.
But really, all of us Tigers fans hate this, but are very proud of the class act Armando employed. He didn't bitch; he didn't yell; he didn't throw a fit; he smiled and said, "Come on man" in his head.
He's gone now, but I'll always be a fan of his for his class and Tigerdome.
I love Greg Mattison
That's like saying Indiana put 6 guys on the floor, but, EH, I've seen a team get away with 7 on the floor, so . . . ?
and put myself in your shoes to try to make that comparison make sense. I can't. That was just a god awful attempt at an analogy you made. Contact, albeit very light contact, from the Gopher player's arm was made to the guy's head, that's indisputable. Sheehey just milked the love tap way too much and refs considered the contact incidental, which it obviously was. It was not phantom elbow as we saw with Manny Harris' one against Purdue a few years back.
Now, if you don't understand my gif (and seemingly don't understand body language and what someone shrugging their shoulders implies), I can't really help ya out there.
as well as what the gif means in itself. But your post led me to believe that you were saying "I've seen worse." This isn't an excuse for it being a foul/flop or not.
I don't think he was saying "I've seen worse". I think he was saying that the worst isn't as bad as it seems due to our ability to review the play. I too found your simile a little puzzling.
No contact was made with his head.
close your parentheses, which annoyed me for some reason.
I saw that after someone already replied to my post. By the way, you didn't put a comma after "also," which is pretty grammatically obnoxious as well. We're all human and thank goodness we're on a message board where grammar is irrelevant.
but it is in a title so its okay right? (No.)
I know it's a message board and everyone makes mistakes and/or is more careless. I didn't neg you FWIW. I wouldn't say grammar is irrelevant.
Didn't mean to be a dick about it, though I see that it sort of came across that way. Sorry about that Jhender.
Or maybe be forgot to finish his smiley face :)
You know, Dude, I myself dabbled in pacifism once. Not in 'Nam of course.
While frankly it was a huge douche move by Crean, I wouldn't put it past a lot of college coaches to do the same thing in that case... Doesn't make it right or acceptable, though.
2013 will be the year.
I have no doubt that something out of that timeout-huddle led him to do that FLOP. I called it and thought it as it happened and the replays they showed afterward gave me all I needed to think it a cheap flop. Tirico and Dakich in their own way even said as much.
They were in a bad spot so I don't have a problem with it no matter how much it may be frowned on but u need a miracle in that situation. And an elbow did hit his face even tho it wasn't malicious
he hit the elbow with his face. You can foul with your face, can't you?
I was just meaning there was contact. I wasn't trying to say that it was a foul on minnesota.
But the real problem here is the idiotic rule that requires the refs to go to the monitor to review potential elbows.
I think it's the only thing that keeps the blatant flopping from being effective. Does anyone remember the OSU player faking getting hit with an elbow against us? I think it was in 2011. The replay showed the elbow missed by about a foot. What I find ridiculous is that a player can attempt such a flop without fear of penalty.
Eating is murder.
And he probably shouldn't have. I'm not that upset. This kind of thing happens. It's only a slight jump from telling a kid if he gets fouled to make SURE the refs know it. And any coach who wouldn't tell their players to sell a foul (a real foul), isn't doing it right.
Exactly too many people here act like everything that an opposing coach does is terrible and will ignore it if michigan does something like that. Crean was trying to win and there is nothing wrong with that. Go Blue!
"Hello... You play to win the game "- Herm Edwards
There is god, there is family, and then there is MICHIGAN FOOTBALL
Coaching like this just doesn't belong in the game. I've lost even more respect for Crean.
Sweep the Leg!
A problem with that?!?
Wow, what a bullshit move. It looks like Sheehey is leaning his head on the guy's elbow so that he'll move it right into his face. He's not even trying to defend or steal, he's just sitting there specifically to take a shot to the face.
Sure seems like it.
I wonder how much time Crean devotes in practice to fake fouls.
As much time as you spend triple
In Hoke we trust...
"Take the fall, act hurt, get indignant." -Gordon Bombay
The main thing that makes me doubt that Crean instructed his players to flop is that it was Will Sheehy. Guy probably falls down after getting out of bed in the morning and looks around for a call.
But the charge that Mbakwe tried to take against Zeller late in the half looked like a flop as well. He started leaning back and falling down before Zeller even made contact with him and he look astonished that a charge wasn't called. Different situations and time in the game, but my thought is a lot of flops happen out there and most of them are probably advised to the player in some way.
Is flopping in BBall any different than a punter flailing around whenever a defender gets within 2 inches of his foot?
When that happens everyone just laughs and shakes there head and says "thats football", who cares if Crean told a kid to flop, if the Refs call BS crap like that then the coaches deserve to go after that advantage.
Blue is Faster
When I saw this live I thought maybe he did catch an elbow but after seeing the replay a few times it sure seems like a flop. It reminds me of the original Mighty Ducks movie when he coaches them to flop the entire game (when they were still "District 5" and sucked).
“When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing” ― Bo Schembechler
to run around headbutting the other team's elbows and then falling down and start thrashing around wildly. Maybe you can even slam your head on the floor as you fall, so that you start to bleed and get blood all over. That will surely get someone thrown out.
It didn't even look convincing in the least. And Crean calling the timeout right before to mastermind the whole thing, then yelling at the refs immediately afterward to review it were clinchers.
The Big Ten refs need to start dealing with this problem, otherwise unscrupulous coaches like Crean will abuse it even more. All it will take is for them to call a few technicals on floppers and all this crap will stop pretty quickly.
"You owe it to every man, woman, and child in the State of Michigan to beat the Buckeyes and silence their fans! Now go out there and make it happen!"
- Bo Schembechler (Result: U-M 22 OSU 0)
Anyone else think there should be consequences for flopping in College Basketball, like there is in the NHL ("diving" penalties) and pro soccer (yellow cards for extreme flopping)? Why not give Sheehey a Technical there?
Indiana University might want to forget about him, but Trey Burke is definitely still around
Oddly, the list at the bottom of the release has only 28 names, although 30 finalists were chosen.
The first name missing was that of Burke, generally considered Oladipo's biggest rival for the Big Ten Player of the Year award and a strong contender for the Naismith Award. Burke is averaging 18.9 points, 6.9 assists and just 1.8 turnovers per game while leading Michigan to No. 4 in the latest Associated Press poll.
Along with Burke, the Hoosiers also left Rotnei Clarke, a senior from nearby Butler University, off the list.
When contacted by FOXSportsDetroit.com, J.D. Campbell, Indiana's senior assistant athletic director for media relations, said that the missing names were just an oversight.
"We will get it fixed," he said. (they did btw)
Top-ranked Indiana finishes the regular season at Michigan on March 10, a game that still could decide the Big Ten championship. Their chances of winning would go up exponentially if Burke somehow ceased to exist.
Great job by Sheehey: if you put your face at a player's elbow level, it's pretty hard not to get hit. It's like the old boxing joke about "leading with your face" but he really did it.
Describing this situation with the term "flop," to me, diminishes the nature of what were talking about here. Its one thing to try and draw a conventional charge call by initiating contact and then exagerating the impact to maximize effect. It could be debated that this is "part of the game" but is usually labelled "floping." If this Sheehey play is what it appears to be (from the circumstantial evidence) this isn't a flop; its way beyond that. Its flat dirty.
This is not a regular, run-of-the-mill charge/blocking foul situation. This is about a rule that has been implemented for player safety which, if the implications are correct, was used to bail out a team in a "no hope" situation. Getting two shots and another possession was just about IU's only hope there, and the only way to accomplish that was to deliberately place a players face at elbow level of the opponent so that contact would be likely, resulting in a review and possible flagrant foul call. Furthermore, given the apptitude of some of these refs, its not exactly a shot in the dark.
The funny thing is that while I was watching the game, when this happened, everyone in the room exclaimed AT THE SAME TIME "did that dude just put his face into the guy's elbow on purpose?!?" It appeared incredibly purposeful, and the replay made it seem even more so. We were all skeptical but, I'm not going to accuse someone of something like that without more to go on.
Now you take into account the timing of the TO, the clip of what Crean appears to be doing during the TO, that this occured directly after the TO, Crean's immediate reaction to the incident (screaming for a review without a moment's hesitation) and the implications are pretty strong; not conclusive, but pretty strong.
Calling this a "flop" is a slap in the face to honest flop artists everywhere.
This is dirty, bushleague, "hurts the integrity of the game" type stuff. Again, if true...
...I can puncho yo buns...
There's this (but then they lost). And I think he drew a T when he dunked and then mouthed off against Illinois (also lost).
And I feel like there was something else that he did that was really annoying.
Though, it seems like Indiana tends to lose when he's a moron so maybe I should just embrace it.
I'm sure he said if you get hit even slightly by an elbow, elaborate it. While a little sketchy, its not really news worthy....
to hate Crean & IU.An obvious,pre-planned attempt to get a bogus flagrant foul.Fortunately the game was in The Barn or the refs may have bought the charade.
So what exactly is the replay policy here? If the replay had shown that the Minnesota player's elbow had caught Sheehey, is it an automatic foul on him even if accidental?