A state friend of mine posted this on his facebook, and it's pretty interesting/incriminating. You decide...
in re: is GRIII on a tear
Fail embed on the original post here's the video,
What did he post?
wasn't fair for you to get negged for asking a legitimate question when nothing was there.
The obvious flop from Sheehey, or the play-by-play guys defending and encouraging it?
Dakich can go to hell. I swear he is the worst announcer I've heard in the past 5 years at least. He even tried to bring up that "many people" aka state fans and him believe zeller tried to pull nix's arm into his crotch.
He is a terrible announcer, but he's actually right about the Zeller/Nix play.
"many people" and him... and me
I think that broadcasters should be limited to calling games with teams that they played for. It's aggravating listening to Jalen call a Michigan game, or Clark Kellogg doing an OSU game.
It would help avoid extreme bias like this from a nationally televised game, because you know he doesn't say this if it's anyone besides Indiana. No way he encourages a Gopher to flop if the roles are reversed.
Tommy Heinson doing NBA games back in the 80's & 90's for CBS was the worst. Because they were so good, the Celtics were often on the CBS slate. He was the worst homer I've ever heard.
Why do we have to listen to the announcer's opinions? What ever happened to just calling the game?????
I don't know if you saw his heated exchange with former MBB player Anthony Wright on twitter.
When you frame something with "the way things are going in college basketball" that usually doesn't mean you're actually encouraging it-- it's more a criticism of how something is being called or handled, but being realistic about how teams will take advantage.
But again, I'm not sure what point he was trying to make... whether it's touch fouls to the head, or instant replay or what.
On this same play even, it looks like Oladipo just flat out tackles whomever he's guarding.
The best thing about this whole fake is how I constantly replayed the 1:55 mark or the hot blonde at the scorers table. Can someone just get a loop of her closer up?
Interesting. I certainly wouldn't put it past Crean, and the two videos do warrant some suspicion, especially because Crean yells at the officials right away for a video review.
At what point does the B1G director of officals say "listen, Indiana has a reputation for flopping and/or trying to draw these types of fouls. Let's not give them the benefit of the doubt."?
Sheehey should have been called for an unsportsmanlike penalty.
He was laying on his elbow, it looked like. And his reaction was really late.
Looks like a flop.
You must really love following recruits on twitter. To say this is incriminating is a pretty big stretch. Even if he did say that, which I doubt, I really don't have a huge problem with it. Selling a foul is just gamesmanship.
Selling a foul is gamesmanship? No, it's not. It's a cheap trick played by desperate teams with no class or pride in what they're doing. And the evidence may not be conclusive, but it's not at all a stretch to say it's incriminating. What else do you think Crean was signaling with that elbow motion?
Could be telling them to man up on rebounds. Could be telling them to get in tight on the guy so they get a foul if he elbows them in the head and the guy took it too far. Could be telling them to flop. There's no way of knowing. When I saw the thread title though I was expecting to see an obvious mouthing of the word flop or some other variant of the same. I dislike the guy as much as anyone but this is inconclusive at best. And it's up to the refs to figure out if it's a foul or not. What is it when a center falls on his ass to get a charge because a point guard ran into him? What is it when a guy throws up his hands and yells when he loses the ball under the basket? Note carefully I'm saying selling a foul, not faking a foul. There's a difference.
It is obvious that Crean coached this and it is an embarassment to the coaching profession. He is in effect forcing his players to cheat and lie to get an advantage...That is so SEC. I hope the B1G looks into this and the mainstream media is all over him for this.
How would you feel if this happened against us in a key game and the refs blew the call?? It is NOT just part of the game.
what's that thing they say about the prosperity of cheaters? Go Gophers.
Karma be a BITCH!
Whoa. Definitely looks like it.
I work with a guy who went to High School with Crean and he says he's just one of those guys who will do absolutely anything to win regardless of morals and ethics. FWIW
I went to school with Hitler and he was a nice guy with a fro and liked to paint. Or maybe that was Bob Ross.
I'm sure he teaches them to flop. The rules about elbows are terrible. Even if he did get hit, which he didn't, he was crouching, trying to get below the Minnesota player's arms from behind. I wish they called flagrants on flopping. If they're already going to the monitor, it's easy to see.
is one of the handful of things the NBA does right, but I can't think of the other four . . .
It would fit right in with my interpretation of the Zeller & Nix play last week...Crean is a huge d-bag. OSU fans have seen this more than Michigan fans, but it's real.
What? An Indiana basketball coach is a jack ass? Who would ever believe such a thng?
And a disciple of Tom Izzo none the less! Shocker!
...than "flopping on a drive" to get the charge call. It is up to the Refs to get it right.
Tonight they did.
Firstly, if the ref's get it wrong, a kid can be thrown out of the game.
Secondly, it can have a much larger impact on the score. Two shots and the ball is huge.
Thirdly, and arguably most importantly, it's abusing a rule that is designed to protect kids. The point is to try to prevent concussions. But Crean coached Sheehey to contort himself under that players elbow and try to get hit in the head, or make it look that way. It flies in the face of anything resembling sportsmanship. It should in itself be a flagrant, and possibly a suspendible offense, for player and coach.
1. If (when) refs get it wrong, it always impacts the score/game.
2. Any foul, including a +1 may involve a momentum or point shift.
3. Coaching a kid to flop on a drive, taking out a drive for a dunk against a poor FT shooter and any number of tactics may result in concussion or injury.
4. Conjecture: "But Crean coached Sheehey to contort himself under that players elbow and try to get hit in the head, or make it look that way. "
5. An "acting" foul to prevent such actions, including +2 and the ball for the affronted team might mitigate some of the Hollywood nonsense.
In this case, I think the offending coach should be subject to two free shots to the junk ala Nix/Zeller, it might send a much more clear and to the point response to clear up this issue.
Ya, I think they're a great band. What about you?
When something like an elbow happens at such a convenient time for a time that is down late in the game, it really has to be egregious for them to call it.
1:55 -- Samantha Ponder is drop dead gorgeous.
DAMN YOU CHRISTIAN PONDER!
Granted, it was a flop, but I've seen more dramatic flops with much less contact involved. Also, I hardly find an 8 second clip with no sound from Crean necessarily incriminating. As lame as it may be if Crean did tell him to flop, with every possible elbow to face being reviewed on the monitor, the way I see it is if the guy legitimately and flagrantly gets elbowed above the shoulders, who cares about his overreaction (or in some cases, lack thereof; a flagrant is a flagrant. If it was a non-reviewable play, I'd care a lot more.
I don't think the integrity of the game should depend on our ability to go to a video monitor.
Alas, that's the way things are, regardless of what anyone else feels the game should be. I personally prefer knowing that replay is there when needed, and on a sidenote, I can't wait for baseball to more fully join the replay party.
As long as Bud Selig is the commish the replay machine will remain buried under cobwebs. It's infuriates me that my favorite sport is so far behind the times, it's a joke to not have safe/out calls as part of the replay system.