Did Carvin Johnson or Brandon Herron Play?
We will of course know much more when the Defense UFR comes out on Wed - but meanwhile I am wondering whether Carvin Johnson and Herron saw significant minutes after return from their respective injuries - also - if yes, them how did they look compared to ther pre-injury form? Does it look like Carvin will jump over Gordon for the starting role?
Did we play our freshman CBs - Cullen, Avery, Talbott? Did anyone look like getting better and perhaps challenge Rogers for the starting position later in the season?
How about Demens? Not the Ezeh is setting the world on fire - but we will need a replacement for him next season and I am hoping to see some signs of progress from Demens.
I could not catch the game on TV (damm you ESPNU!) and highlights are kind of not-effective as far as the questions above are concerned.
October 4th, 2010 at 1:59 PM ^
carvin started and got yanked after about a quarter
herron didnt play
frosh corners played a lot, but not well
October 4th, 2010 at 1:59 PM ^
but as the game went on, I didn't see him out there. I was wondering if he hurt the knee again?
October 4th, 2010 at 2:00 PM ^
I'm not sure the %, but it was significant minutes. I noticed the leg brace or wrap. Hasn't anyone put up the torrent yet?
edit: didn't notice him not being in at the end.
October 4th, 2010 at 4:56 PM ^
Torrent was up by 8:00AM yesterday.
October 4th, 2010 at 2:00 PM ^
Carvin Johnson played and was responsible for the 20 yard TD run their RB had. He pulled an Ezeh and stayed still until he got blocked out of the play. I was trying to figure out who 13 was until they showed the back of his jersey on that replay.
October 4th, 2010 at 2:18 PM ^
I saw that as well. Pam Ward blamed Roh but I think he had contain and did his job properly, whereas Johnson was supposed to flow and fill the hole that the run ultimately went through.
Only problem was he either never saw the ball/rb or had a deer in the headlight moment which gave IU enough time to seal him off opening a massive hole.
I chalk that one up to experience, but wonder if he was a little to close to the line of scrimmage. I don't know enough about Defensive schemes and alignment to make that call
October 4th, 2010 at 2:50 PM ^
He got a Tackle (playing TE) on him and got sealed off pretty good.
It is running plays like this where I wouldn't mind seeing us try a defensive alignment with Roh, MM, VB and Banks on the line with Demens, Obi and Mouton at LB's, against some of the upcoming "smash mouth" running offenses coming up in the B10.
October 4th, 2010 at 2:00 PM ^
I don't remember about Johnson, Herron, or Demens. But I do remember Talbott getting some playing time. I was drinking the whole second half so I don't really remember who was in other than the starters. Black also played quite a bit more than I thought he would.
October 4th, 2010 at 3:36 PM ^
because Banks went out with the calf injury...
October 4th, 2010 at 3:58 PM ^
I am really interested in the UFR because I thought Black, while he didn't register much, seemed to be moving well and all over the place. I think he is going to be pretty good.
October 4th, 2010 at 4:22 PM ^
He did well, but had an awful roughing the passer penalty called against him. I didn't even think it was a close hit, it was clearly roughing.
October 4th, 2010 at 2:00 PM ^
I saw Carvin, Talbott, and Avery play. I did not see herron play at all, and I heard Demens named mentioned once. I did not see much of Cullen Christian either.
October 4th, 2010 at 2:22 PM ^
Pretty sure Demens was in only as part of the goaline package. I think he made one tackle that kept IU (temporarily) out of the end zone but otherwise nothing else in his limited action.
October 4th, 2010 at 2:08 PM ^
if so, that may be the reason we didn't see much of him
October 4th, 2010 at 4:24 PM ^
thought it was BS. I think that was the first half. IU's TD drive was helped with 2 calls for 25 yd I believe.
October 4th, 2010 at 2:11 PM ^
Carvin, Talbott, and Avery all played often. I got the feeling IU was picking on Talbott throughout the game. I saw JB Fitzgerald in for a couple of plays midway through the first half but didn't notice him after that. Jibreel Black also got numerous snaps. Demens was in for our goalline situation at the end of the half, and assisted on a tackle.
October 4th, 2010 at 2:10 PM ^
I don't know whether it will eventually amount to anything but it does seem like our young secondary is at least getting game-time experience. Since we are not losing anybody from the group (except Rogers) - hopefully next year all this experience will bear fruit.
Remember that Denard was also not meeting expectations except a few sparks here and there last year. Players make their best improvement between their Fr and So years - so - well - future does look better on Defense.
October 4th, 2010 at 2:16 PM ^
but not well
October 4th, 2010 at 2:25 PM ^
I find it strange that Carvin ended up the starter out of camp. While Thomas Gordon isnt setting the world on fire or anything he has been decent enough and seems way less prone to errors than Carvin has in his twoish games so far. With Carvin being a true freshman this of course makes a lot of sense, its just a bit odd that instead of letting him develop in a backup role that coaches put him ahead of Gordon was he hasnt really looked like that is the case.
October 4th, 2010 at 3:08 PM ^
Carvin did just sit out the last 3 games with an injury. No doubt for a true freshman that is tough for your development. Hopefully some rust that was chiseled off.
October 4th, 2010 at 2:24 PM ^
Despite the one stupid penalty I think the UFR is going to reflect that Jibreel Black did contribute somewhat positively to the game.
Talbott was the guy stuck 1 on 1 with Belcher when they ran trips to one side and each time, Belcher owned him. Belcher is 6 foot 6 and has great hands, so you can't really blame Talbott too much.
That all being said, not much silver lining to find defensively from this last week's performance, except that our defense was on the field 42 minutes and we still won.
October 4th, 2010 at 2:27 PM ^
Black did look pretty solid last week, and really did remind me of Graham when he was teeing off on 3rd down.
October 4th, 2010 at 6:02 PM ^
There was one play in the 3rd (?) quarter where Black covered an incredible amount of ground in his pursuit of Chappell. He didn't get there in time but must have sprinted about 30 yards altogether over the course of the play. It was Graham-esque.
October 4th, 2010 at 2:27 PM ^
Talbott was the one that got beat on IU's touchdown right before the half. This after Demens made a good play by filling the hole on the play before.
October 4th, 2010 at 3:38 PM ^
Talbott was on that guy too. Chappell just put it where he had to and the receiver went down to get it. Decent D - just not much he could have done in my opinion.
October 4th, 2010 at 3:29 PM ^
Carvin was playing a little tenative, and was taken out.
Thomas Gordon was put in, and he was missing tackles on screens and struggling as well. I'm not really too worried about it, because the entire defense was bad, and these guys are freshmen. It happens.
October 4th, 2010 at 4:32 PM ^
I was hoping for some positive impact with Carvin coming back.. any other defensive players that are injured that I can hope will magically fix the defense?
October 4th, 2010 at 5:22 PM ^
Although it does not tell you how much each guy was in, shortly after each game the mgoblue.com site gives a player participation report that shows who started at each position and who subbed in at each position. A list of everyone that participated on special teams is listed separately.
Here is the report from the Indiana game http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/100210aaa.html
Starters are denoted in CAPITAL letters
Michigan Offense
WR -- 22 DARRYL STONUM
LT -- 77 TAYLOR LEWAN
LG -- 52 STEPHEN SCHILLING
C -- 50 DAVID MOLK
RG -- 65 PATRICK OMAMEH
RT -- 79 PERRY DORRESTEIN
TE -- 86 KEVIN KOGER, 80 Webb
SR -- 12 ROY ROUNDTREE, 9 Odoms, 10 Gallon, 8 T. Robinson
WR -- 21 JUNIOR HEMINGWAY, 19 Grady
QB -- 16 DENARD ROBINSON, 5 Forcier
FB -- 49 McColgan
RB -- 2 VINCENT SMITH, 33 Hopkins
Michigan Defense
DE -- 53 RYAN VAN BERGEN, 95 Sagesse
NT -- 68 MIKE MARTIN, 99 Patterson, 73 Campbell
DT -- 92 GREG BANKS, 55 Black
OLB -- 88 CRAIG ROH, 42 Fitzgerald
MLB -- 45 OBI EZEH, 25 Demens
WLB -- 8 JONAS MOUTON
SLB -- 13 CARVIN JOHNSON, 15 Gordon
LCB -- 12 J.T. FLOYD, 5 Avery, 22 Terrence Talbott, 24 Christian
SS -- 32 JORDAN KOVACS
FS -- 4 CAMERON GORDON
RCB -- 18 JAMES ROGERS
Michigan Specialists
KO -- 46 SETH BROEKHUIZEN
PK -- 46 SETH BROEKHUIZEN
HO -- 30 DOUG ROGAN
P -- 43 WILL HAGERUP
LS -- 91 TOM POMARICO
PR -- 10 JEREMY GALLON
KR -- 9 MARTAVIOUS ODOMS, 22 Darryl Stonum
Michigan Special Teams Support
3 M. Robinson, 4 Gordon, 5 Avery, 7 Hawthorne. 8 Mouton, 9 Odoms, 10 Gallon, 12 Floyd, 13 C. Johnson, 14 Jones, 17 Anderson, 18 Rogers, 20 Vinopal, 22 Stonum, 22 Terrence Talbott, 23 Simmons, 25 Demens, 26 Dileo, 30 Rogan, 32 Kovacs, 38 Backey, 42 Fitzgerald, 43 Hagerup, 44 Moundros, 45 Ezeh, 46 Broekhuizen, 49 McColgan, 52 Leach, 53 VanBergen, 57 Mealer, 59 Gyarmati, 65 Omameh, 68 Martin, 72 Huyge, 73 Campbell, 75 Schofield, 76 Washington, 86 Koger, 88 Roh, 91 Pomarico, 92 Banks, 99 Patterson