Listen to the Hand.
Tennessee is not recruiting well just because they got 18 dudes
Listen to the Hand.
Every hand needs a mitten. Just commit to Michigan!
Yeah, well, neither am I. Why should he be any different than most the rest of us?
He must not be a fan of tattoos.
Supposedly OSU isn't too impressed with him either, lmfao (since they found out they have no shot with him, that is.)
And they are not impressed with Winovich.
And they are not impressed with Peppers.
And they are not impressed with Marshall.
And they are not impressed with McDowell.
And they are not impressed with . . .
They are running out of guys to be not impressed with.
Why does the staff keep going after guys tsio doesn't like? I'm seeing a pattern here!
It's beacuse Ohio has moderately warmer winters and moderately faster speed due to said moderately warmer weather. They're quasi-SEC. Which also explains the tattoos. But only the slow unwanted recruits head north.
It's hard to read that article and not feel good about our chances!
I really miss Bob. Your tag line should be " Have your pet's spade or neutered".
I don't know about you but my pet does not own a spade.
What about my pet's club and diamond?
It's always great to say hello to our old friend, the "shopkeeper's apostrophe." That being said, I would have upvoted you anyway if there was room for more points.
His comments were pretty direct and refreshignly honest. No recruiting doublespeak.
Is there a link to what specifically went down in his first OSU visit? I know that he was not paid proper attention to and had some negative experiences with Ohio State fans during his visit (haven't we all), but is there a link to some specifics?
You do realize that article is over six months old right?
Did you realize that the post to which I responded was asking about his first visit to OSU?
"I think he crosses tsun off that list quickly"
Fascinating analysis, particularly in reply to a reasonable post about academics putting VT and U-M in a good position.
Today at the NFTC he said that his first visit gave him "bad vibes" and was just "too chaotic." He did say his second visit that he took went much better, but wasn't good enough to put them into his top five or anything and he relayed that info to Urb.
I would imagine that all of those people running around, asking probing questions, and trying to figure out what illegal benefits to offer would definitely be chaotic. If a recruit turns down a golden handshake or a ho-stess in Columbus, his 40 time suddenly goes up by a half-second.
@jbook37: Da'shawn Hand felt that OSU is 2 intense for him so be it, nothing you
can do about it. Some kids don't thrive in the intense atmosphere
They just don't want to cart their coach off in a stretcher.
Hmm, that sucks. Guess UM is out for Hand as well then. Shoot.
That's the same guy who delivered this gem:
"I got one question for Michigan fans. What are you going to say when Urban Meyer snags Chase Winovich over Hoke and Michigan?"
if he hates intensity he probably wouldn't play college football because every school has their intense moments and most of the schools he is considering are some of the most intense in the country
...is something Da'Shawn and I have in common.
Thankfully the reasonable and unbiased Eleven Warriors Staff provided an incredibly plausible and objective explanation as to why Hand is not interested in OSU:
Ohio State will not make up any ground with Hand this weekend and part of the reason is they don't really care to. He's a great player and a really awesome kid, but not the right fit for their program.
Yeah...he has class.
Also, he's not interested. I guess you could reasonably say someone is not a good fit if he is not interested in playing for you.
The best thing, though, is that if you read the comments a lot of OSU fans are saying that Urban's program is "too business-like." Yet Hand specifically says he likes Michigan because they are "professional."
LOL okay. What a bunch of delusional fools.
This is way, way more priceless than "his offer wasn't committable." It gets even better. He starts comparing him to a young, rising executive who is a great fit at company A, but would not fit in well at company B, or something crazy like that. Very amusing stuff.
LOL, the first 4 comments on 11w about Hand's visit:
1) Yeah after reading that (about his visit), you have to wonder how he won't end up at UM.
The fourth guy probably thinks "gullible" is written on the ceiling too.
He just got side-tracked.
but there is no such thing as a consensus five-star recruit "not fitting into the program". Delusional, indeed!
I read the Eleven Warriors comment as Hand doesn't think he's a good fit for the Buckeyes, so he isn't serious about potentially going to school there. Isn't that exactly why a player wouldn't want to go play for a certain program?
I know I walked away from a great job offer at a great firm because it wasn't the right fit for me culturally. I took a job at a place a little bit less popular with my classmates, but that was a better fit for me.
By poor cultural fit I presume you mean the Hand family prefers their coolers 'unpooped'.
between not fitting into the program because you don't want to play there vs. not fitting into the program because you're not talented enough/don't fit the "scheme", etc. Hence, a consensus 5-star will always fit into the program because if you can't find a spot for him, you're a horrible coach, IMO. Now, if he doesn't want to play there because he just doesn't like the place, sure. But most people on bucknuts and otherwise will reference my former point, not the latter - which is complete BS.
Maybe he phrased it poorly, but he made it sound like Hand wasn't a good fit for OSU's program, rather than OSU not being a good fit for Hand. The latter is pretty much the essense of recruiting. The former is pretty well incomprehensible with regard to this kid.
I really think he worded it poorly. Hand is obviously an outstanding prospect and given that OSU just hosted him, their staff probably agrees. It would take an absurd level of stupidity to think a staff was actively recruiting a player they didn't actually want on their team.
Nope, you're giving the guy too much credit. I can see why you'd want to give te benefit of the doubt, but he's pretty unequivocal in saying that OSU is not so interested because of this lack of personality compatibility.
I also like to withdraw my offer of being my girlfriend just before she sends me flying. Better for the ego.
Yeah, I've decided that Kate Upton and I are just not a good match. I'm just not interested anymore.
(Plus, Spike said he'd kick my ass.)
Same here. My dinner offer to her wasn't actually committable.
11W and the rest of the Buckeye faithful would be exploding in orgasmic descriptions of how perfectly Hand fits the program, not to mention how his butt is the right size for Urban Meyer.
It's like the entirety of Buckeyeland has decided to become the living embodiment of the fox and the grapes parable.
living embodiment of the fox and the grapes parable
First ... props for the Aesop's fable reference. I'm trying to think if I've seen one before here on MGoBlog. Maybe ... but I can't recall.
Second ... I can't see an Aesop's Fable and not think of "Fractured Fairy Tales" from the Bullwinkle TV show.
Third ... with respect to "not being a good fit" ... set aside for the moment their practice of dismissing as not a good fit players once they commit elsewhere. What I wonder about is how a talented DE could not be a good fit ... anywhere.
Seriously. Is there enough differentiation in the line play in the various defensive approaches where someone as athletic as Hand would really not be a good fit? Pick your defense: 3-4, 4-3, 3-3-5 ... whatever. Would someone of Hand's skill every truly and honestly be a poor fit in a defense?
Exactly. It's completely delusional for any fanbase to blithely dismiss his potential for their program.
And you must be nearly as old as me if you're referencing "Fractured Fairy Tales."
My guess is he used Mr. Peabody's Way Back Machine.
Just like that, half an hour gone watching Mr. Peabody & Sherman on youtube.
Help Mr. Wizard!!
I completely agree that all the "Hand is not a good fit" nonsense ultimately is just sour grapes, as you pointed-out above. But if there is any merit to the "not a good fit" claim, it would probably have less to do with Hand's football talent and more to do with Hand's interest in attending a high-caliber academic institution and taking the education piece seriously. That's probably not a good fit with guys who tweet about not wanting to "play school."
Not to brag, but I did reference it quite a while ago when I was trying to describe what "sour grapes" really means. Lots of folks don't use it in the proper context.
Also, the Rocky and Bullwinkle show (along with all the others associated with it) is still my favorite cartoon of all time. I'd get up at 6am on Saturday mornings to watch it...as early as age 5. Classic.
Yeah...great player at a national level with a ton of potential...why would Ohio need that?
Guess Urban's going to start developing lower ranked players.
Yeeeeeeah, right! Ohio has no use for 250 lb defensive ends who compare favorably with the likes of Jadaveon Clowney. I'm going to file this comment from 11W under "Lies, Fucking Lies, and the Lying Liars who tell them".
...in their recruitment seem too impressed with Ohio.
That's because at Ohio St. , you don't come to play school !
That would be less funny if it wasn't for the fact that it really was stated by the players at Ohio. Sad, but true.
Ohio fans think that some recruits believe Urban is too intense for them. When in reality it's most likely because C-Bus sucks, and Urban is a phony asshole.
in his comments:
"With Michigan, what you see if what you get. It's professional. With some, you feel like when you get to college it might, change, but with Michigan, everyone says they're straight.
We don't know he is talking about Urban and OSU, but I wouldn't be surprised.
I do find it really refreshing to hear how many top recruits are responding to Hoke's sincerity and honesty in the process. I also find it encouraging, because if there is one thing that I don't get from Meyer, it is sincerity. From what I have seen and heard, he comes off like a used-car-salesman - slick, blessed with the gift of gab, but always working an angle and putting on a show. Sure, he is selling a pretty flashy used car, but you can't fake sincerity (by definition), and some recruits are starting to see through it.
of Peppers' recruitment, in that he has a couple schools he is considering, but slowly they fall away, a la Stanford and Penn State. If Foster really hasn't called him in a couple weeks, couldn't that be a sign of lack of "interest"? Obviously Hand is considered to be just about the best player overall in the country, so any lack of interest by a major program is more because they think they don't have a chance, or it's not worth their time recruiting someone who won't come.
...who the hell IS Foster calling?...Fournette? Hand should be #1 on speed dial.
I think it said that Hand hasn't talked to him not that Foster wasn't calling him. I'm pretty sure the coaches have restrictions on when and how often they can call recruits so this would indicate that Hand hasn't been calling Foster. Either way great news for the Wolverines.
It seems a lot of recruits are beginning to see Meyer for what he is, a slimeball.
He did pull in one of the best classes in the nation last year...so probably not. Still a slimeball though
And he does have 2 BCS NC rings to flash to recruits, and any coach will smartly use that as a recruiting tool.
has the same rings.
Plus some NFL connections to talk up.
Both programs are pulling top 5 type classes the past few years and I dont expect much to change. Different kids will like different cultures and the "bottom line, all that matters is NFL kids" will probably view Urban similar to how Calipari is viewed at Kentucky. I cannot wait until the Michigan pipeline to the NFL gets turned back to how it used to be before 2008 so we have that card going for us again too.
the delusion in this thread is delicious: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/recruiting/2013/06/dashawn-hands-visit
some winning quotes:
"You kinda stole the words from my mouth. Some players want the laid back atmosphere and thing they can strive in that and others want to be pressured to get better. Some kids like to thing that there are no winner and losers and others are motivated by being a loser so they know they have to get better."
"I'm sure both TTUN and VTECH hinted to Da'Shawn Hand that he'll start if he commits there. Urbz obviously won't do that and he's not considering us.
I don't want kids like that here. "
and my personal fave:
"Hand wants to be given his spot. With urbs sense of competition he'd have to earn it and I don't think that sits well with him. Him n peppers seem like arrogant douches to me. Perfect for scum I guess."
Man I hope we can get ALL the arrogant "douches". Delusional is right. I'm sure the number 1 and 2 players in the country are worried about competing. Buckeye spin is fun to watch. 11W's "No Spin Zone"
Moar arrogant douches...send all your five star ones to Ann Arbor now.
That last post you referenced drew a lot more down votes than up votes. I hate OSU as much as any other Michigan fan, but having spent a considerable amount of time both at 11W and MGoBlog, I don't think their posters are any more biased or delusional than ours. Some are obvious blind homers, but a number of them are pretty open minded all things considered. If the shoe was on the other foot with OSU in the lead for Hand and Michigan having no shot, I'm sure we'd see some idiotic posts on this site as well.
the constant use of "scum" over there makes it hard to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Ohio is used here constantly. I wouldn't say it is as stupid as scum but it is meant in a derogertory fashion.
Ohio is annoying, but not nearly the same as scum.
I would rather them call us the school up north than scum. one is a playful name for a rival the other is just a stupid name with a play on the abbrivation of our school. Just like o$u is kinda stupid for us to use
I prefer Obvious Steriod Use.
I disagree with your last point, because we've seen such a situation before. When a player is liking Ohio and not Michigan, I don't see so much rationalization like what we're seeing on 11W. It's more questioning the staff's ability to recruit big time players, or wondering what players see in Ohio. I can't think of a situation where posters have said we just cooled on him unless it was obvious (i.e. Yuri Wright).
We don't have to be fair to them!
Based on your posts on 11W, I have a hard time believing you are a real UM fan. Sounds more like a Ohio guy pretending to be a Wolverine...
But here are some facts:
- I was born and raised in suburban Detroit
- I grew up as a huge Michigan fan in the 80's watching Harbaugh, Morris, Jokish, Kolesar and crew
- First game I ever attended in person was the 91 Desmond Howard game vs ND
- I went to UM for undergrad from 94-98 (my senior year was the 97 NC season)
- I've been to the Big House for games vs OSU in 95, 97, 99, 01, 05 and 11
- I forced my wife to take a bunch of pictures of me and our 3 month old baby yesterday wearing matching Worst State Ever shirts
I go to 11W because it gets boring hearing the same side of the argument on Michigan blogs all the time. While I love Michigan and hate OSU, I do respect The Rivalry and enjoy having good conversation where I can find it with fans of the opposing team.
Does this sound like somebody on this board would say?
TDIBLE - Serious question for you. Why would Meyer be any more concerned now than he was the last two years? Michigan brought in Top 6-7 classes the last 2 years under Hoke and snagged some good talent out of Ohio along the way. What's happening this year is largely consistent with what happened in 2012 and 2013. In both prior years, OSU still finished with highly ranked classes. So why should Meyer be any more worried now than he was 12-24 months ago?
That's a story as old as the rivalry itself. Ohio fans have always taken intelligence for arrogance. I would say the definition of arrogance is cheating for a decade and then offering to "penalize yourself" with a couple years probation. Or how about suggesting that southern schools can't comment on the Big10 until they learn to read and write? (I would probably make that joke too anonymously on a message board but not in public when my coach is trying to base his recruiting in the South...)
Yeah, he definitely wouldn't start at ohio with their amazing defense. You know, the one that gave up 48 points to indiana and has been outscored 61-60 against Michigan the past two years?
How can you call 17 year olds arrogant douches when half of the Ohio team is full of arrogant douches and their coach is arguably the biggest arrogant douche in college football.
So...calling a 17 year old an arrogant douche is not cool but calling half of OSU's team (consisting of 18-23 year olds) arrogant douches is...fine?
"I'm sure both TTUN and VTECH hinted to Da'Shawn Hand that he'll start if he commits there. Urbz obviously won't do that and he's not considering us."
That actually may be one of the most deluded comments yet that I have seen from an OSU fan. That is literally the opposite of what we know about Urban and Hoke. Meyer was renowned for promising playing time to recruits at Florida and Hoke is known to tell everyone, including guys like Peppers that they are gonna have to earn it.
Yep, Jabrill Peppers - the kid whose goal is to be the second primarily-defensive player to ever win the Heisman *as a freshman* - is worried that he just wouldn't get playing time outside the cozy confines of the Glick fieldhouse. He's just lacking a bit of confidence, and Urbz don't have time for that shit.
Hey, let's hope that the best HS recruits don't fit in well at tOSU...
After some research, there is a belief among Ohio fans and insiders, that on Hand's first visit to Ohio, he in fact said Urban was too intense. So when Hand says everyone knows that his first Ohio visit didn't go well, that was what he is talking about. I found this pretty hard to believe, so I also checked out Virginia Tech boards, and they find it equally ridiculous. One particular moderator on their scout board said that Hand was extremely competitive and his calm demeanor flips once pads and helmets are on. This does sound like someone who would avoid intense coaches. As I posted earlier, this is typical Bucknuts like spin, that is about as believable as the tooth fairy, Easter bunny, and strippers with a heart of gold. Carry on, nothing to see here.
Maybe by "too intense" Hand meant that Meyer was laying the recruiting pressure and spin on too thick and it has nothing to do with being competitive on the field. I get the impression that Hand would appreciate intense teachers, but not intense salesmen.
that Hand is a pretty quiet guy who's difficult to get a lot of info out of. I got the impression that he's not all that active in social media and doesn't spend much time talking about recruiting. If that's the case, I could easily see how a hard-sell approach might turn him off.
he can't take intense football. Hand can chill.
I think that is more plausible than the "intense" being related to how Urban runs his team. That is what I was thinking, in fact, when I heard the "too intense" thing but everyone else thought it meant the way he runs practices etc. so I didn't mention it. I think you're correct.
Just because you never (knowingly) met one with a heart of gold doesn't mean they aren't out there. I certainly have met some and happily contributed to paying for their Michigan Difference.
"I thought you were the whore with the heart of gold. Instead you're just a whore with a regular whores heart."
"Some days I feel like committing right then"
this way while he was in c-bus.
Didn't want to start a new thread on this because it is just a rumor on twitter. If this does come to pass, he would become Lawrence Marshall's teammate. From Cass Tech's Defensive Coordinator:
McDowell to Southfield ? Newest gossip in the city! I wonder how true.
I think Hoke has hit upon the tactic of brutally honest recruting at just the right time here. In the past, brutally honest recruiting hurt you, because other coaches just lied to kids and snowballed them with promises of grandeur, and that definitely worked on some kids, Before the popularity of social media, kids in a recruting class didn't really talk to each other, so they weren't sharing this stuff with each other (ot at least not much) and they couldn't put it together that at some programs the coaches were clearly makinig promises that couldn't be kept.
In today's world, where kids being recruited are constantly in communication, being brutally honest with them is suddenly not a bad thing, but a critical one. No longer are you scaring them away by telling them "we won't promise you any playing time". No, now when they check in with everyone else being recruited and find out that everyone is getting the same story they realize the coaching staff is on the up-and-up. You win your spot on the field through hard work and being the best guy in practice. And you know that once you are on the team, the coaching staff isn't promising YOUR spot on the field to some highly rated recruit just to get him to sign.
I really think lying to recruits probably used to work better, but in today's connected world, I think Hoke's completely open & honest style with no promises or guarantees for any recruit, no matter how good you might be, has really struck a chord with recruits.
To be fair, I'm sure this is just a continuation of the way Michigan has recruited for a long time under a lot of coaches, but Hoke seems to be even more adamant about it than others have been.
Yep. You are so right. Every visit I ever took as a recruit I felt like the coach was less than totally honest about something. In some cases I know for sure the lies were grand and blatant.
From the article:
"But my favorite coaching staff is Michigan," Hand said. "With Michigan, what you see if what you get. It's professional. With some, you feel like when you get to college it might, change, but with Michigan, everyone says they're straight.
I am reminded of Jason Whitlock's article back on Feb 6 of 2011, just as Hoke was hired:
He [Hoke] has an uncanny ability to get kids to believe in him and believe in themselves. He doesn’t do it with smooth words. He’s not smooth. He does it by being the same genuine person day after day
He connects. The kids hang on his words, respond to his tough love and accept his discipline.
When I read Whitlock's article way back then I was hopeful but guarded in my optimism. Since then there's not been a thing I've seen that makes me question the sincerity or integrity of Coach Hoke. Not a thing.
The testimonies of recruits confirming Hoke's genuine nature are stacking. The word is out. We won't always get the recruit ... but we'll be in the hunt for them.
If you remember that moment in the spring game when they were changing the scrimmage over and Devin came running and jumping over talking a little smack to Hoke. You see that he had a huge smile and laughed. You can tell that there is a great relationship with his players and it is genuine. I was so appreciative and impressed that he is our coach. He is making a huge difference on and off the field. It is palatable.
it's also palpable.
I think the word you are looking for is "palpable".
then what Hoke appears to be building is very palatable. If not intoxicating.
Honeslty Don...you crack me up. I wish we could give you more of a +5 for this comment. Nice one!
Also, don't forget his demeanor when Hagerup dropped the snap against OSU. If THAT wasn't genuine sincerity, I don't know what is.
off the field with Fitz's helmet up there too.
Hoke's finest moment at UM thus far IMO.
Huge play in the game against UM's fiercest rival and a game you know Hoke was absolutely dying to win. That play could have cost UM the game but Hoke didn't explode and jump in Hags face like about 90% of football coaches in the game today would have done. I was never more sure that Hoke was the right fit for UM than I was at that moment.
... Is that as far as he is able, we seem to be recruiting high-character young men and being straightforward with them about the situation. Recruiting is inherently a little sleazy as both sides try to sell themselves to each other, but as much as possible we seem to be keeping it classy.
I hope we can succeed taking the high road, but I am glad we're taking it either way.
...they wouldn't want the no 1/2 player in the country. Even my USC and LSU friends admit that Hand is a game changer. But that is why they are Ohio.
If my wife would let me, I'd subscribe to bucknuts 247, because you know all the VIP posts on there are where they are hiding the crazy/psychotic posters we all know and love. I could entertain MGoBlog for days for just 8 dollars a month; but apparently the Wife would rather have the 8 dollars. Pffft, stupid joint account and stupid chase updates to her phone.
It is free right now until the start of 2014 and you can cancel it on the 31st if you want to. It's really awesome, at least the Michigan site is. Loving it so far.
Just do it. If your wife is going to get pissed over 8 dollars, you've got bigger problems than the fight that'll cause anyway.
Full disclosure: when we first got the joint account, I withdrew a bunch of cash from an ATM in a strip club just to annoy my wife. It was just as funny as I'd anticipated. To this day, making ridiculous (but small) purchases from the joint account is one of my favorite things to do.
I hope you sent the wife a pic of the twenties you stuffed in the dancer's G-string.
I would burn for that. I would be a seventy year old man (in some years) and still hearing about "your whores"...
Do you know what KickStarter is?
Maybe Hand like Marshall was given the full court press by Urban, basically telling him we have a spot for you now, but if you don't commit we won't hold it for you. Marshall committed to ohio, but then backed out. Maybe Hand didn't like being given what is essentially an ultimatum.
"But my favorite coaching staff is Michigan," Hand said. "With Michigan, what you see if what you get. It's professional. With some, you feel like when you get to college it might, change, but with Michigan, everyone says they're straight."
Now what does that sound like...
"Real recognize real," Peppers said matter-of-factly. "That's the shortest and sweetest way you can say it. Real recognize real."
I like how that worked out for us last time.
Meh, they've just for their panties in a bundle because they can't stand that a program they all think is below them has beaten them out for the #2 recruit in America, and has a great shot of landing the #1 guy, too. They can't stand that Hoke is coveting with, and in some cases, beating out Meyer.
Urban Meyer is an overrated recruiter. His best classes he had at Florida were when the real "closer" Greg Mattison was on his staff. Urban himself has said that Mattison is the best recruiter out there.
Meyer out recruited Hoke in his first year at Ohio so I'm not sure how overrated he is.
Everyone keeps bringing that up but no one seems to mention how insanely lucky Meyer was when the whole JoePa/Sandusky thing broke and OSU became the de facto landing spot for all the PSU elite recruits (in particular, Armani Reeves, Camren Williams, and Noah Spence). Without that, I think Meyer was on track to finish behind Hoke.
Meyer is a great recruiter. I don't want to be like delusional Buckeye fans who can't admit that Hoke is just as good of a recruiter for the players that every team wants, including Ohio State,
I'm not saying that Meyer isn't a great recruiter, but it just irritates me that everyone (especially OSU fans) act like it was some legendary recruiting ability that let their 2012 class overtake ours at the eleventh hour, rather than a historic implosion of PSU's class.
Legendary ? No. Surprising? Yes, given the sanctions and eleventh hour
How do you define outrecruited? Are you a star gazer?
Recruiting rankings mean nothing. Proceed with caution. These are the same rankings that told me Kevin Grady was going to be the all-time leading rusher in Michigan history. And that Cullen Christian and Demar Dorsey would be part of the tandem here called No Fly Zone.
The only ones these sites are even consistent with are top-10 ranked players. Stars are pretty to look at and get the fans going, but the coaches know what they are doing.
Let's go back to the start of the modern recruiting ranking era in 2002. Here are all the 5 and 4 star that never panned out here-
My point is recruiting rankings don't determine what they will do. Anyone who takes the rankings as gospel truth needs to get a grip.
Jake Ryan was a 3 star in 2010 and Cullen Christian was a 4 star. Which one panned out? Recruiting classes are like the lottery. Anything can happen.
It's more like playing blackjack, while counting cards...
I believe Dann O'Neill is doing just fine.
I don't think you are where you think you are.
As demonstrated by the overall sample size v cherry picked failures. Come on, man. It's 2013; this debate is over.
Yes, be cautious in projecting HS kids, but if you're going to do it, rankings are a plausible place to start.
How do you define outrecruited?
'Out-recruiting' someone means getting the dudes that both teams want. Thus far, MIchigan has 7 commits with OSU offers. OSU has 4 commits with Michigan offers. \
In the present case, the Buckeyes made Da'Shawn Hand a priority. They made his top 10. They didn't make his top 5. Michigan made Da'Shawn Hand a priority. They're (reportedly) in his top 2. That's out-recruiting someone.
This argument comes up all the time, but you're absolutely, 100% wrong; recruiting rankings do matter. Everyone can come up with an anecdotal case about how ranking don't matter because of Mike Hart and Grady, but the fact is that they do. Is it a perfectly accurate science? No, but to say they mean nothing is idiotic
I saw someone did an average comparison between recruiting rankings and AP finish for the last 10 years and the results were pretty surprising.
OSU had the recruiting rank of #10 and the AP rank of #1. Schools like Miami and FSU and Clemson had high recruiting rankings, but poor AP finishes.
Wow, damn auto spell. I meant competing with.
Hand and Peppers are gonna fucking pound Ohio so bad, they better have an ambulance ready for Urban.
Did I miss the memo that there letting the coaches play now...?
How come Nike Football Training Camp is in Columbus? Is it there EVERY year?
Michigan used to be the flagship team for Nike in the Midwest. You would use to see there apparel displayed everywhere. When they took the adidas contract and Nike made Ohio one of their flagship teams. Also back then camps like this weren't as common. So, Michigan received more money with adidas, but in my opinion they receive less notoriety as they did with Nike.
that can obviously terrorize Qb's and upset backfields doesn't fit your program, then we should pretty much stomp them every year, given how much time our Qb's will have in the pocket.
The greatest indicator of the Ohio delusion on this one is the comments started by Jeremy Birmingham on that thread. He posts 3 or 4 times about how (according to his top-secret insider sources) it's just "not a fit" for Hand, from the school's POV and that is why they won't be recruiting him. No details given, just trust him...LOL
but that seems to at least show he can be unbiased some of the time. What I think happened here however, is OSU has seen the writing on the wall for a long time and his insider may be the one making the excuses (if he really has one).
What I mean is the insiders at OSU have known for a while that they were on the outside looking in with Hand and so yes, they probably stopped paying a lot of attention to a player they considered a lost cause. So technically they may have indeed stopped (or at least slowed) recruiting him.The fact that Hand has left him out of his top 5 also makes it less than an ideal "fit" for OSU since he has no wish to attend the school.
So if we're being very technical, what this clown is saying may indeed have some truth in it, but it is also very disingenuous. Because if Hand had put OSU in his top 5 there would be no talk of him not being a "fit" for the school and they would be recruiting their tails off trying to get him in the fold.
This is just the latest in myriad examples of OSU trying to spin the story of each and every recruit that is able to see through the bogus recruiting pitch of Urban and company. As Jabrill would say "real recognize real" and Hand is real!
Get over it buckeyes. Not everyone wants to play for your school and your head coach, that's life.
Hold me TomVH
offer an intrepretation on all this spin and Tweets?
...is finding out that it's a lot harder to recruit without Greg Mattison.
and the Florida coeds!
I want to agree with you, but its not really like he's hurting in recruiting. He put together a top-five class last year and he still in the top 10 right now. What is going to happen is the universe is going to align again where Michigan and Ohio will continue to get some of the top rank classes year in and year out and have major battles on the field.
Meyer is doing very good in recruiting. But he also can't just point at a kid and say "mine" like he could seemingly do early at Florida, and how many OSU fans and recruiting experts kind of expected him to do at OSU.
Oh I agree, I absolutely love that they're making every excuse why they can't get top rank players. I can't believe that any coach in the right mind would ever say a top 10 player wasn't the right fit for the program if it didn't have to do with any legal problems. I would love just to hear one of them say, "he just wasn't interested." It's not going to happen though.
This is a great sign for Michigan in my opinion. I hate Ohio as much as everyone on here but I have a hard time believing that Ohio didn't put on a show for the number 1 recruit. Therefore, makes me think he is going blue!!!! Hail.
Reading btw the lines This article makes it very evident to me that Hand is blue. This is gonna be great .,..,, i assumed it was 50/50. Now we need marshall, juju smith, and fournette
Oops. Not marshall. I meant mc Dowell
Oops Dowell, you meant McDowell???
Oops, misses the lower case "mc"
Perhaps DaShawn comin to do school too, and thus isn't a good fit.
Hand has stated that he was planning on taking other visits, so there is the possibility that we won't get a commitment from him, but I do like our chances.
Great to be a wolverine fan. What an exciting offseason. Go Blue!
""But my favorite coaching staff is Michigan," Hand said. "With Michigan, what you see if what you get. It's professional. With some, you feel like when you get to college it might change, but with Michigan, everyone says they're straight."
Other recruits have said similar things about the Michigan coaches, and I really do believe that recruits do appreciate this aspect of the culture at Michigan in particular. The staff really seems to be on-message and very forthright about their plans, and the honesty certainly has to be refreshing and attractive to potential commits as well as their families. This sort of consistency really does help contribute to recruiting success, but it is also what has made it possible for commits to easily aid the effort as well.
I think families are put at ease once they see how much this staff cares about the kids, not only as athletes, but as students and young men.
I think he might not have wanted some of those quotes out there. Either he actually was misquoted or he's just trying to keep where he is leaning under wraps.
The MICH vs Ohio arms race in recruiting. Love it.
Why would you be impressed with a program of liars and deception?
Did had go to Columbus to camp or to visit?