What are your thoughts on Devin Gardner, the Wide Receiver? Because unless the coaches were pulling a fast one yesterday, that's where he spent most of his time practicing. Discuss.
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Is there a video or something that I missed? I watched the first spring practice video, but didn't noticed Gardner at WR.
that it's some combination of pulling a fast one and getting as many reps as possible with Devin and Denard on the field together. I don't remember where to find them, but Devin had some disgusting highlights at a WR camp in HS. He sounds like a worker, so maybe the coaching staff trusts him to get work in at both positions.
if belomy was close to dg end of last year, why not move dg to wr to get him on the field
Belomy is game day backup, if denard goes down for multiple games, let dg and belomy compete for the spot.
frankly though if dg can catch, I like him at wr permanently baring a catastrophe , think poor mans cj
that being said I would like to see another qb recruited this year for depth instead of a wr if the coaches are considering this.
Doubt it would be a permanent switch, but I like this. We are paper thin at WR, and Devin is taller than roundtree, gallon and jackson. He's a great athlete and I think he could be used pretty effectively in the short term.
Depth seems to be a worry at both QB and WR. So this is like transferring an unpayable balance from one credit card to another.
The thing is, if something happens to Denard then he can switch back to QB, but if Denard stays healthy, then we'd be wasting a very talented football player by leaving him on the sidelines. I'm not sure how good Gardner could be at WR, but if the coaches think he's good enough to warrent a switch, then he should be on the field.
So we are taking our second most talented, experienced qb (out of only 3) and putting him at WR? Sounds logical
No, we'd be taking a guy who would never see the field (excluding injuries) at one position, and moving him to a position where he would get regular playing time and be able to contribute.
HAHAHAHA. "excluding injuries".
Our QB is dilithium sure. But we also have a running QB. Are you really saying you want Russell Bellomy leading the O when Denard gets winded/dinged up?
Did you see something in Gardner that I didn't see? He didn't exactly shine while he was in the game last year. This is by no means a knock against him, and he could actually prove to be very effective if given the keys for an extended period of time - my point is that we haven't seen anything to say that he is a huge improvement over Bellomy, who by all accounts has done a tremendous job in practice.
I could certainly see a situation where although we may take a small step back at QB with Bellomy in there, the team is ultimately more balanced if Gardner is out wide with Bellomy under center.
Gardner is more familiar with Borges system by one spring practice. And you're right, Gardner could shine if left to drive the team for a while.
But, I don't necessarily think we'll be more balanced with DG at WR. DG does have great size, and he might even have great hands, but he doesn't have phenominal speed to be a game changer outside. Even if Bellomy beats him out at QB, i would rather keep DG at QB. If he was moved, next year we'll have DG and Bellomy at QB. The year after we'll have Bellomy, and true freshman Morris. 2 deep at QB with one being a freshman scares me a bit.
that breakaway speed would be as important as having another viable receiving target to take some pressure off of Mr. Roundtree. Surely Gardener has better downfield speed than Keith Nichol?
Morris's skill in high school is better as a junior than Chad Henne was as a senior. And Henne led Michigan to a Rose Bowl as a true freshman. I am not concerned about Morris being the back up. For all intents and purposes, I expect him to compete for the starting job. I think the pros outweigh the cons in having Gardner at WR for this year at least. He can always move back to QB if his skills are needed there.
What kind of basis do you have for that statement? Henne was a 5-star QB recruit, ranked at about the same place as Morris. That he succeeded as a true frosh does not mean that his level of performance should be expected from every frosh QB.
Recruiting analysts have often mentioned that Morris's ability as a junior would have put him around the top of this year's recruiting class. And while I agree that Henne's performance should not be expected from every frosh QB, I don't think it's unrealistic to expect that sort of ability from similarly (or better) ranked QBs. I still maintain what I said: Morris, as a 5-star QB with ability as a junior that's comparable to his senior counterparts, should be able to compete with Bellomy for the starting job. And in so many words, the fact that he is a freshman does not concern me.
Saying he compares favorably with members of the 2012 class (against whom he's actually competed) is one thing, but flat-out stating that he is more skilled than Henne was back in 2003 sounds like hyperbole. Henne was really, really good. PSU was absolutely devastated when he committed to us.
My original response (and the point of my comment) was that I don't see Morris as a freshman as a liability on the two-deep and as someone with his apparent ability and recruiting profile should be able to step in and compete with Bellomy for the starting job. I'm using Chad Henne as a basis for measurement because of his success as a freshman.
What do you want me to say? When looking at tape, I subjectively think Morris as a junior is more skilled than Henne as a senior. Henne has nothing to do with the 2012 class and I'm not saying he does. I'm using that as a basis to compare Morris to his peers and the fact that he maintains his stature as one of the top prep QB's in the country. You are missing the point of my post entirely in order to nit pick over the statement that to me Morris right now is further along than Henne was as a senior.
No, I don't have any sort of advanced metrics to spew to you.
Practice reports are practice reports.
BWC, Cam Gordon, Brink and Poole all got huge hype out of practice reports.
I'd much rather have Gardner under Q, who has seen actual game snaps and game speed. I'm not saying Bellomy wont be potentially the starter next year, but right now moving Gardner to WR (which will decrease his snaps and efficiency at Q) is a bit premature.
Dont forget, to be able to RS Sugar Shane next year, we need both Bellomy and Gardner at Q.
Nothing in practice will prepare you for a 290Lb all-big ten DE coming after you with everything he has to damage you.
Where can I read these practice reports that you speak of.
But do you think Shane Morris is gonna stick around for 5 years? If he's as good as the hype he may be gone in 4 (MAYBE EVEN 3) years even with a RedShirt.
Gardener has gotten good practice reports in the past also. Practice reports tend to be over-hyped. The coach, an advocate for all his players, is telling us that some kid is doing well in practice. By all accounts, the kickers did incredibly well in practice in 2010 but that did not translate to the field (understandably so when in front of 110,000 people). We know Gardener is not great yet, but he was also in the first year of a new offense and showed something impressive at times and then showed his inexperience at others. We have little evidence that Bellomy, a RS freshman, will be better than DG. If Denard goes down then we are down to 2 QB's, and if DG is hurt from playing WR we only have Bellomy. Things could get very bad then. Obviously, there is some benefit to having DG play WR and I think he will be used creatively a bit, but there are grave risks to his playing, so hopefully the coaches will use him sparingly.
If Gardner moved, could you tell me who the third qb is?
You know, he's allowed to play wideout one play and qb the next...
Next you're going to tell me that a defensive player can play on the offense. I'm not falling for your ruse.
thats what I'm saying. coaches and players are raving about bellomy behind the scenes. watching bellomys highlights get me excited. i guarantee bellomy starts at qb when denard graduates.
Are you willing to nothing.but.10ve it?
is "is he willing to THE PARTY ROOM it?"
DG would run as a WR with the 1's and QB the 2's. He knows the routes already, so in Indy drills he would need to work on take off, separation, and footwork into and out of breaks for the WR position. He should already know what WR are doing every play, hot reads, etc. How hard would it be for him to transition back to QB if something happened to Denard? If he is worthy of starting at WR then play him and don't have him waste another year on the bench.
is one thing, but receivers are expected to block down field. I'm not sure how experienced DG has blocking and I'm not sure I want my backup QB to be exposed to injury. Having said that, it presents intriguing potential especially given the current state of our WR corp.
This is basically just fleshing out what RR always said. Teach QB first and moving to any other position is no big deal since they already know the big picture. Moving DG--which doesn't at all have to be permanent--seems like a way to get talent on the field where we are exceptionally thin, particularly pre-Fall.
Anquan Boldin was one of the two or three best QB's I ever saw in HS. He got a bit more playing time at QB when he was at FSU than DG has, but not much. He requested a move to WR because he wanted a chance to play, and a chance to escape Pahokee and the cane fields. It worked out pretty good for him.
At this point, it's probably best to just trust the coaching staff to make the right moves. They've done a pretty good job so far.
I really don't see the coaches taking him away from the quarterback position as much as they are simply trying to find a way to get the best athletes on the field. I honestly like this denard devin combo more than what was run last year when we saw both on the field together.
Ongoing development of getting Devin and Denard on the field at the same time. Gives you lots of options, in terms of both running and throwing the ball using either of them in various places and moving them around before the snap as well. Sounds like an interesting offensive wrinkle.
open?? Thought all word out of Ft. Schembechler was that Hoke was battening down the hatches this year?
Not sure if thats where the OP heard it.
that blog is in the links on the left. If you want to truly read about football it is a great place and highly reccomended.
Or do I have to click on all of them
I know their site can be painful to read sometimes due to the horrible grammar, spelling and layout of the site but for pure football discussion its not bad. Its run by a bunch of guys who used to be "insiders" on the scout board but had a falling out of some sort with the Scout mods.
This "falling out" was when they caught MaizeMan pulling a Mitch Album on his practice reports.
I do believe that the first spring practice was open to the media. The public gets the Spring "Game".
Get the best eleven on the field. He's probably the best athlete of the wide receiver bunch. Otherwise, we have a bunch of short (Gallon, Dileo), slow (Jackson), or inexperienced guys at the position. Chesson/Darboh should help in the fall . . . but Gardner's our potential #1 wideout if he's not needed at QB. Hopefully Denard can stay healthy.
Also...I think Bellomy's a pretty good backup.
Exactly - agreed 100%. Assuming this is even true, this would lead me to believe that the coaches have a lot of faith in Bellomy to run the ship in the (likely) event that Denard has to come out for a period of time. Get Gardner out wide and see what he can do.
Roundtree? Jerald Robinson?
I think both of those would probably be ahead of Gardner on the depth chart at WR. And let's be honest, the past two years has taught us that our backup QB will take snaps. I'd rather that backup be a guy like Gardner with an extra year in college football under his belt than Bellomy.
Meh. Roundtree really fell off last year (he played the entire year and only grabbed 19 passes), and Robinson hasn't played at all yet. The opportunity is there for a newcomer or position changer to be the #1 wideout.
Yes Tree fell off a bit last year, but he still is second on the team in terms of receptions last year that are coming back next season and he has more than 100 career receptions. I believe Hoke said they were looking at Roundtree and Gallon as their top WRs coming back. I'm not trying to make the argument that he can be as dynamic as Gardner could potentially be at the position, just that he can be a solid posession receiver coming back, and could have a breakout senior year, as Hemmingway did this past season.
Eh, I didn't really think Hemingway had a breakout season in 2011. His breakout came in 2010. He only had 2 more receptions in 2011 and the same number of touchdowns.
WOTS for a while has been Jerald has been a bit of a headcase iirc. Good rule of thumb: receivers are early contributors or they aren't ever contributors. Obvs not always the case, but especially when it comes to the gamebreakers, early playing time is a good indication of talent and a lack in PT may indicate a corresponding lack in talent.
On the plus side, he has reportedly been getting better. I think the physical talent has always been there to be a pretty good wideout. I don't think he's going to be a superstar, but when he gets his head on straight, he could be a solid starter.
I liked what I saw of him in the spring game last year. Had some Avantian flashes imo.
If you need to learn WR routes, it makes sense you run them yourself.
This sounds sensible to me, especially in an offense where QB-WR timing is so important. Learning the intimate details of his WR's routes from their perspective can only help him grow as a QB.
I remeber during his recruitment, he was the top WR in a WR camp before he enrolled, and by a mile if I recall. May not be perfect, but we have very little in the way of a game breaker at wide out, why not see what he's got. In Hoke I trust.
If they were playing out of the Fritz, he might have split out wide after the snap.
Can we give him the #1 jersey?
it as been reserved for Berkley Edwards, per his older brother
...players possible to win. putting DG at WR based on his abilty sounds great from a video game standpoint...from real life, and watching DR go down in the past quite often, im nervous that he is still 1 hit away from being sidelined and then what? Maybe Bellomy is good, maybe hes not. truth is none of us really know. i just have to say i am very hesitant taking a chance on losing BOTH DR and DG to injuries when they are the best 2 athletes.
So you are in favor of keeping your second best athlete on the bench just in case your best athlete gets hurt? Sounds like an ideal recipe for winning football games.
when yopur best athlete is a QB, and the 3rd option has never played a snap, and was only lightly recruited, then I don't risk the season on 1 player getting hurt. It's just too risky, especially because there are solid options at WR, like Roy, Robinson, Gallon, and Jackson.
If DG isn't able to make the field at WR because Roy, Robinson, Gallon, and Jackson out perform him this is really a moot point, isn't it? Also, there is no guarantee that Denard and Devin don't both get injured while playing the QB position next year. Coaches can't coach based upon hypotheticals. If they are asking kids to compete for jobs, they better be willing to put the best kids on the field regardless of situation or it comes off as sincere. If I am Devin and my coach asks me to not play because someone else might get hurt even though I am more qualified to play than someone else who is, I am out. The coaches have to do right be the kids too.
His overall rating just naturally goes back from 67 to 85!
I think people do think players are like video games, and they don't have to practice and stuff. Could he be getting passed, and isn't second string, so everyone wants him to get in at WR (and act as a 3rd string QB, which if you get there, you're probably screwed anyway)? Possibly. Could they just be testing him out to see how he does there? Sure. Could it be various packages to get him see the field? Likely.
But if you think the sure #1 back-up QB behind a smallish running QB starter is going to spend all his reps at WR, then step in at QB after having not practiced it in the Spring, Fall, or Season, you don't know how football works. Woodson only practiced a few plays with the offense, not splitting time 50-50, and he was Charles frickin' Woodson.
He could be buried on the QB depth chart (hard to say the first days of Spring practice) and seeing if a move is good for everyone. Maybe he just wants to play and they're not liking the redshirt chances. But the have him spend all his time is the receivers and just step in for Denard if he goes down, after hearing Borges talk over and over about how much they improve in the system after getting second year reps is just wacky. Trickeration and different packages? Sure. But that's not news.
Where exactly did I say have him move back to QB without ever practicing during the Spring or Fall until he is needed in case of a Denard injury? I believe what I said was that he ought to be somewhat familiar with what the WR do on every play so a transition wouldn't be that dificult, he could run snaps with the 1's at WR, yanno when Denard would be running the O and still take the 2nd team QB snaps. His time in Indy drills could be split to work on footwork and other technical issues at both positions. 7 on 7 he could do both, etc. I don't know how Hoke has his sessions set up as I have never watched a practice, but there are ways to get Devin work at both positions.
While I may not be the most brilliant football mind out there, I would think that my playing days in high school, college, and 8 years coaching with a high school team might suggest that I might have an idea of how football works.
If Devin can start and help the team at WR, I don't believe you worry about hypotheticals. That is my philosophy. It may not be yours. I'd rather attack with the best weapons you have and let the chips fall where they may as opposed to playing conservative because player x, y, or z might get hurt.
This type of thing isn't that unrealistic. MSU did it successfully in Nichol's first year at WR where Nichol was still the primary backup should Cousins go down. Ultimately, if the coaches see that there isn't much of an ability disparity between Bellomy and Gardner, this allows us to get a superb athlete with size and speed in a position of great need this year.
Just remember, Gardner playing WR doesn't necessarily mean that he will never play QB again. If Denard were to lose substantial time due to injury, I could just as easily see Gardner getting more reps at QB in practice and we go from there. If Denard is just sitting out a few plays, I would say it's not unreasonable for the coaches to think Bellomy (QB) + Gardner (WR) is a better combination than Gardner (QB) + ? (WR).
Indiana tried moving Antwaan Randle El to receiver his senior year, since that was what he would do in the pros. The experiment lasted less than one game (against Memphis if memory serves), and Randle El was back at QB and as dangerous as ever.
So your backup can still step in. That said, I don't like this at all.
Yeah but Randle El was the starter. That would be as asinine as Michigan moving Denard to WR. I get your point - it's possible to go back to QB after playing WR, but we're talking about a backup QB who is a great athlete. Why not get him on the field in a position where he can excel as opposed to waiting on the sidelines in case Denard gets dinged up?
Asinine, yes. But you have no idea how many times that exact move has been suggested by the idiots on this board.
Sounds awesome to me, I'm all about getting some transcontinental trickeration
I don't mind DG taking some snaps at WR as long as it is part of specific packages and not a complete position shift. DG is a great dual-threat-QB talent and he should be developed as such.
I remember T. Pryor catching ball for a TD. Tall backup QBs could have a role as a surprise WR.
BTW - Any news on DG's redshirt status?
Couldn't this just be another Denard-Devin package? The previous one had Devin at QB and Denard as RB (?). This one will have Denard at QB and Devin at WR. I don't quite see the big deal. Except if they both get injured. Then we're screwed. But that was a possibility last year as well.
My God I hope not! DG at WR for any reason other than running a trick play could be a disaster. He is our most experienced backup and none of us have seen what Bellomy is capable of at this point, so unless the coaches know something we don't, you can forget about that scenario. Another spring in Borges system and DG should be on track for a monster senior season as Michigan's QB. Also I have not seen enough digression in DG's game that would warrant this type of position change.
I think it's safe to assume the coaches know more than we do.
Please stop making changes before we know the players capabilities. That is all, thank you.
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I'm pretty sure Hoke knows more about his players' capabilities than we do.
EDIT: Oops, I didn't see the post you were responding to. Sarcasm? I don't even know.... Mondays suck.
Could this be a devious way of getting Bellomy in at QB? This would at least get him some reps. Some say he is the best true QB for the AB offense.
No way that this is just a "trick" package; I wouldn't think that you'd give away a new "Fritz" package with DG at WR, especially on the first day of spring practice.
I think (if this is true) that he's probably there to take a majority of snaps, because it's not worth it to start training a dude as a WR if you're intent on him being back-up QB.
We are waaaay too thin at QB right now to do this for a season.
Are not most college teams "thin" at Qb in the sense that they do not have experienced back-ups? Think about when Harbaugh went down in 1984, or Wangler in 1980, or quite frankly last year with Denard, or for that matter how about when Henne went down in 2007?
Michigan is no thinner at QB than most college teams these days.
pretty thin at WR too. just a product of the attrition/talent problem RR was handed/helped create.
Did he actually run routes, or was he being used as a decoy/runner like DR was when he lined up at WR last year?
This is intriguing... would love to see both those guys on the field at the same time more just because of all of the options it then makes a defense have to consider. But I'm not sure what all the fuss is about as it seems to only be a slight variation on the some of the formations run last year with DG at QB and DR at WR... unless DG is actually running downfield routes.
Devin was running routes and was at WR the majority of the time so this sounds like more of DG being a true WR than the "special" packages they ran last year none of which were very successful IMO.
That's kind of funny coming from GBMW. If I recall correctly, it was exactly a year ago during spring practice they were claiming DG was the future at QB, and DR should switch to WR/RB immediately to let DG get the hang of the offense as he would be the starter.
I seem to remember GBMW having an issue a few years back where they fabricated a spring practice report for a session they never attended.
dream scenario: gander turns into an all big 10 beast at wr, stays there for the next three seasons, shane morris comes in and starts as a freshman...
or am i crazy here?
Unless something changes, Gardner only has two seasons left.
Yes you are crazy, because we are talking about Gardner not gander.
Something makes me not want Morris to be able to start as a true freshman. I really want him to have a year to learn the system, and ideally, take a redshirt. But, if he proves to be capable, give him the reins.
Personally, I'd like to see what Bellomy can do before giving Morris the green light. Maybe I'm crazy, but I want him to at least see the field at some point.
Gardner moving to WR is the best move for Devin Gardner and Michigan football. As long as Bellomy is servicable as the backup QB, this is an obvious move.
Even if Denard gets hurt and Bellomy is the second quarterback, it doesn't mean that Gardner would not be able to step in if Bellomy is hurt or not performing well. I personally say why not have Devin play some wide receiver. Like Magnus said above, you get the best eleven guys on the field.
but yes, Dorial Green(-Beckham) is a wide receiver.
Perhaps it is a red zone package, seeing as how there are not a lot of taller WRs on the roster whose size could be utilized near the goal line.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't spring practices for teaching fundamentals? If they were practicing trick formations, that seems a bit counterproductive. I think they are trying to get him reps at WR so that he can see the field, but also remain the primary backup for Denard.
If things go well with this, I would think that Gardner would make the full switch in 2013 and we have Bellomy and Morris battling for the starting position. I've been wondering if that would happen, but thought it was kind of a pipe dream until this came up.
I love how everyone is overreacting to something that may or may not be true. Also, to think that Russel Bellomy is better than DG at quarterback is nuts.
Is it that nuts? Is it nuts to think Chris Perry's backup (Underwood), a 4* rated upperclassman would lose the starting job to a 3* freshman RB (Hart)?
And we all know how that turned out. Point being, you never know when an athlete can "make the jump" and all of a sudden be a good player. Maybe this offseason was great for Bellomy and the coaches see talent there and trust him to be a QB in an as-needed capacity while getting Gardner on the field in a role that utilizes his talents better than being on the sideline with a clipboard.
but I like what I've seen from DG at QB in limited action. That kid is a gifted athlete. If Bellomy is really pushing DG for the backup role, that can only mean good things for team 133 & 134.
Why? Because you have broken down practice tape of Bellomy and DG and come to that conclusion?
that bellomy throws the most accurate ball on the team... cant remember which player.
Is it nuts? I thought Denard was gonna be far better than Tate, and I got sent to Bolivia (diclemeg).... and if you watched Bellomy's and Gardner's tape, you will see that Bellomy can really play, and that Gardner is a sublime athlete who can also play. Its not far-fetched at all. Purdue knows qbs.
Most teams want to work at least 3 guys at every position. You clearly need a starter and a backup, and at any time one of the three could be lost due to an injury or off-the-field issue.
QB is such a complex position that there is no way a guy can be ready it if he spends significant time at another position. That is why Denard Robinson never saw very many snaps at RB or WR, despite a constant drumbeat from fans wanting it to happen.
Even if Bellomy had pushed Gardner down to 3rd string (which is doubtful in itself), they couldn’t possibly be so sure of it that they would stop repping Gardner at QB. And if Gardner gets sufficient work at QB, he isn’t going to have much time to practice as an every-down WR.
Of course, if (as is likely) Gardner is still the No. 2 QB, then they definitely can’t afford to stop repping him at QB.
My guess is that they are using the spring to try things out. They still like the idea of putting Robinson and Gardner on the field at the same time (which they toyed with last year), and they are using the spring as a laboratory to put in a few wrinkles. Those plays will never be the bread & butter of the offense, and as the season gets closer Gardner will spend most of his time practicing at QB.
i was waiting on you to give your opinion as fact so i could calm down and stop worrying.
I'm on my phone so I can't copy and paste directly from twitter but here is what QB prospect jayru Campbell who was at Saturdays practice had to say.
"@dgardner7 is the best athlete on the team, best receiver lol #realtalk"
Nothing ground breaking but he was clearly putting in some time at wideout.
Who isnt thin at qb in college football and the pros there one play away from disaster..we are fortunate that we have 2 good qbs and a 3rd who can step in and play..why let the talent just sit on the sidelines it only makes since and if denard gets hurt nothing changes DG is still the backup. Not really seeing why people cant understand that.
I think this a a lot about keeping Devin interested and engaged. He knows he is not going to start this year, everyone knows it. But the kid is a damn good athlete and kids that talented are hard to keep as back-ups. The coaching staff is probably making sure he stays engaged and intereseted in every thing; more then just being Denards back-up
tall, athletic wide receivers. Win-win.
As opposed to all those athletic coordinators that like their WR's short and unathletic.
"Okay, now, Melville. When the ball is snapped, you're gonna run 10 yards down and then 5 yards in. At that point, the play will probably be over because it'll take you 20 seconds to get there, but if it's not, I want you to make absolutley sure the pass goes 3 feet over your tiny arms and you make a fool of yourself trying to "jump" for it."
hypothetical, who would do more damage at wr, denard or devin?
maybe the coaches want to get Denard reps with a WR similar to Darboh and Chesson to help him when the season rolls around. probably gives them the best chance to win.
I watched DG play several times in high school and he never reminded me of a D-1 QB. He was always a great athlete but he couldn't throw for shit. It always looked like he was flicking the ball sidearm. He just didn't have the "wow" D-1 QB factor.
I watched Bellomy start two years for his 5A Texas High school team. I watched him take the team farther in the playoffs than ever before. He throw as accurate a ball as any other Texas quarterback I've seen over the past 25 years. He has great work ethics and is very teachable. Traits that will take him far. I'm obviously a fan of his and excited to see him get a chance to play. Sooner rather than later.
I remembered DG looking good at WR at a camp, found the video
This video, combined with the fact that Hoke/Borges must feel great about what they have in Bellomy IF this is a permanent move, makes me 100% ok with this.
seems just plain illogical considering depth at QB. If he were coming from any other "transferable" position but QB, I would believe it. This, I don't.
Didn't DG tweet something a few months ago about 'have a lot of thinking to do'? There was a mini freakout that he might be thinking of transferring. I still think it was most likely not football related, but perhaps the coaches offered him a shot at WR if he would like to peruse it?
That's a good point. I wouldn't be surprised if the coaches pointed out that if he doesn't get the medical RS then he only has one season to play after Denard graduates. They probably told him that he could probably start if he moved to WR, but that was up to him.
Here's a theory. After several seasons Hoke et al know that Robinson is not injury prone. They also know they have one or more reliable running backs which should reduce the odds of injury to Robinson. Borges is not satisfied with production from last year's Robinson and Gardner plays. Forcing DG to learn two positions or promoting an inexperienced Bellomy to backup is only highly detrimental in the event of serious injury to Robinson. The potential payoff of DG at wide receiver could be huge this season not only through straight production but also because he will demand attention from the secondary.
TL;DR: Large likely payoff, small chance of disaster vis-a-vis Mattison's defensive plan against Ohio.
No he still is injury prone
He definitely gets dinged up but I think it is to be expected given his usage. He probably took more big hits that anybody else on the team last year outside of maybe Fitz yet only sat out long enough to get checked out. The question is up for discussion though: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/895454-denard-robinson-injury-injury-prone-qb-or-just-bad-luck
try stuff like this.
Besides, Dumtonio and Creyer can now spend all summer wasting their time preparing for this
The water in Lansing must be getting to you.
Gardner is 6' 4". We do not have a lot of tall guys on the roster (Jackson is 6' 3", J. Robinson is 6' 1", Roundtree is 6' 0", Dileo is 5' 10").
I assume Gardner is being used to simulate a taller WR to give the corners someone to work out again and for Denard to get used to throwing a bigger guys. Gardner was a top WR in camps as people have pointed out and he might be the closest analog we have to Darboh and Chesson. Gives Denard practice throwing at big targets that can high point the ball and lets the DBs learn to deal with big guys. We got torched by Posey and the bigger guys on VT last year, so the more reps our guys get against big athletic bodies, the better.
Also if someone has some spare time, go check the Alabama roster and figure out who Gardner could be an analog of.
its march... i doubt we are team specific in practice right now.
really 5'10"? I saw him on fan day during the special teams kicks, and he looked tiny. I always thought he was more of a short 5'9" if anything.
I really like the idea of having a tall athletic reciever like Gardner out there. We saw Hemmingway go up with a big body and come down with the ball a lot. If DG can high point the ball, this makes total sense. He's also pretty physical. I remember a play where he dropped his sholder to get a few extra yards. Size definately counts.
my guess is if he has his choice he wants to remain at qb. after denard leaves, the job is his to lose, and to be honest, i'd prefer shane take a redshirt year to learn the system. don't like the idea of thrusting a freshman into the role. i hope this is just a way to get him on the field and experiment a little bit.
put the best players on the field. kieth Nichols made the change to better the team at msu. im sure dg is better than Nichols at wr. what ever makes the team better. devin would be a huge target. closest thing to hemmingway.
Devin just got a look at Calvin Johnson's contract.
That would be a huge motivator for anyone.
If they are really moving DG to WR that means they have to take another QB in this class right?
They're looking at taking a guy who can play multiple positions, with QB being one of those potential positions.
Which, if the whole DG-to-WR plays out, further demonstrates the upside of taking those kinds of prospects in the first place, even if they have somewhat limited throwing skills. Can't have enough teachable athletes.
Just curious because I haven't seen them offer any dual-threat-QB-in-high-school-but-probably-not-in-college-but-maybe players yet this year.
It doesn't have to be a dual-threat QB. If you take an athleticly stout guy and he doesn't work out at QB, then you can move him to FB, TE, DE, etc.
Shallman is going to play QB!!!!
I hope this happens. I think with DG has WR if it does work out well has a very high chance for payoff. I mean 6'5 with 4.4 speed thats basically calvin territory.
You line him up at on one side, and Gallon and Tree on the other. tell him to run a go route he will take the best corner + saftey every down. and still I'm guessing he would come down with those arm punts we became so fond of last year. oh and the D still has to account for Denard...this could be really really special.
If he has hands and can learn to highpoint a ball half as well as Hemmingway this could work.
Us being thin at WR is not good for denard, he needs that guy that keeps the safteys honest, and none of the current roster seems like a guy that needs double coverage.
This is not a huge deal right now. If Devin can play WR - great. We all know he can play the QB position also if needed. FWIW, the only video we have access to, there is one clip of DG, and he is throwing a pass in it.
Did he look like this? (Beast mode commences at 1:29)
Just by looking at this video, it shows that he has some raw reciever skills, and whens a better time to experiment and try and take advantage of this skill set than in the spring, I like where this is going
Gardner definitely is athletic enough to play wide receiver. I still say give him a chance and see what he does. If anything he comes back to quarterback if Denard gets hurt, either to take over or back up Bellomy if Russell is ready to go.
Interesting. I wonder what his upside is at WR. He has great size, but I'm not sure what kind of speed he has.
This may only be for the season not a permanent thing like Texas a & m with ryan tanehill two seasons ago
IIRC, Brian described Gardner camping video as "Braylon crossed with a bull"
It always worked for me on NCAA 12. I'm just afraid of him getting hurt at WR, Denard getting hurt, then having 1 QB left. Are any of the walk-ons at QB serviceable?
If you don't want to win games. Remember Nick Sheridan?
The chance of Denard getting hurt and Devin coming in at QB and getting hurt isn't that much different than Devin getting hurt at WR and Denard then getting hurt. I doubt Devin will play every down at wideout.
@EricLacy just tweeted that Borges hinted that WR could be an option for DG "at times." Perhaps he is understating a full position switch, or perhaps they're reversing the occasional two-QB package from last season.
Or just expanding on it
apparently he plays football, wounder if he has been getting bombarded with questions about this
He plays football. I'm glad he cleared up all the confusion and has eased the minds of many Wolverine fans having a collective meltdown over one day of spring practice.
I hear tomorrow he's going to try out for the punting job.
I think ths is undoubtedly the subject of DG's tweet a few months ago. With the lack of depth/experience at WR, DG's amazing athletic talent basically going to waste, and Bellomy's emergence at a potential back-up in '12 and starter in '13, I think it makes perfect sense. DG is a huge kid that can move and appears to have very good hands. Get the ball in his hands! We know that Borges is willing to put in packages where both DR and DG are on the field at the same time -- this is a logical move that I am really excited to see in action.
If he can play WR as good as he looked in the video posted earlier I am all for it!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=5BAdmLPyVIo
Dude looks like a beast and we should have used him at WR long ago! Some of those catches make him look like he is a better WR than QB. Anything to get our most talented athletes on the field at the same time. He doesn't have to be blazing fast to be a decent wide out with his size. Just go up and get it big fella!
Gardner is a straight up athlete... Let's give him a chance and see what happens. If he's struggling catching the ball, then oh well we move him back to our second string qb position. With his size and speed he's a huge target and weapon for Dilithium to hit on the field. It also opens up trick plays as well.
I don't think that DG will permanently switch but rather playing two positions. After all, we have denard under the center but need size at WRs.
If he wants to make it to the league WR is his best shot. He doesn't have a high release necessary to play at the next level. Even if he is splitting time at positions he's improving his chances every minute he works on route running and getting a release from press coverage.
Some good quotes from Borges there.
DG is going to be one of the best athletes and versatile players on the roster - any way they can get him on the field will only help, especially paired with Denard. I doubt this is any kind of position switch - more likely they want him as engaged as possible, as they should.