I think you've hit the nail squarely on the head. And one reason he probably didnt' have any run check options is because with us getting set at the LOS with under 5 seconds on the play clock in most cases he wouldnt have TIME to check out of the play even if he recognized in advance it was doomed.
DG: "Before Nuss, I never had to identify a MIKE."
By the same token, I am 99% sure I saw some run checks, and even some damn good ones. This quote just made me doubt that for a second.
I think the most likely scenario is this is a misquote, or I'm reading it wrong, or Devin just slipped with his usage. But I like to play Devil's Advocate.
How can anyone call protections if you get to the line with a few seconds left on the play clock?
The protection is built into the play call in almost all instances. The only thing left to do at the line is identify the Mike, thereby letting the line know its responsibility, the RB his, and the QB his. It only takes 1-2 seconds. They aren't drawing stuff up out there on the fly.
I'd like to see us up there earlier, but in regards to your question, there's no real reason to.
has started trying to make the "hear the lamentation of their women" quote a reality in practice.
"To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women."
My name is Mike. True story.
Anyways, cumong staff(s).
All the real mikes pleaee stand up
Testing. Testing. . . . Is this "mike" on?
When watching the NFL, it seems like elite QBs like Tom Brady and Peyton Manning call out who the Mike is, or where the pressure might come from at the line of scrimmage.
If this is a problem that Gardner wasn't doing this, doesn't it ultimately reflect on Hoke for not forcing Borges to change it?
No, because Hoke delegates responsibility. He's a defensive coach.
Also, are you saying because elite NFL QB's do it, Gardner should too? Or was that just an unrelated comment?
before we all start chiming in with the "F Borgess" stuff, lets get a real football mind to enlighten us on what this might have meant. For all we know, Magnus or someone will come in and say "It's not that unusual in some schemes for a QB to not ID the MIKE when making his pre-snap reads and instead key on the Defensive End and the safety... blah blah blah"; or *sigh* it could of course be a sign of incompetence by the departed OC.
Either way, I'd like some knowledge dropped on me from a "Smart Football" type before I knee jerk a "hur BORGESS SUX" response.
think that's all this means.
I did not like Borges as an OC, but the man knew his xs and os. Possibly too well.
See correct answer somewhere below.
Is that you Al?
LOL. Well, count me in the category of people who think this is not that big of a deal. First of all, Al Borges has been around a long time. If he's not requiring his QB to identify the MIKE, then that's one reason I don't think it's necessary for success. I have my issues with Borges, but he runs a complicated offensive scheme; now it seems that some are complaining that he didn't heap more on Gardner's shoulders.
Additionally, there are a large number of college quarterbacks who do not have to identify the MIKE on every play. I think it's more commonplace in the NFL. But generally, the center is responsible for calling out protections and blocking schemes. This is why you often see centers come out from the huddle, scan the defense before gripping the ball, squatting down to scope out the defense, pointing at defenders, etc. Those centers are identifying the MIKE linebacker, calling out combination blocks, pointing out potential blitzers, etc.
I also think that Michigan's running backs were responsible for identifying their own blocking responsibilities. That might be why the whole Vincent Smith "finger gun" thing became such a big deal. He appeared to be identifying the MIKE linebacker and/or potential blitzers.
I have talked to college coaches who have said that the one thing they really want their QB to figure out pre-snap is whether there's one high safety, two high safeties, or zero safeties. Obviously, they have to get everyone lined up properly, check out certain alignments, etc., but there's no point in doing any of that if the QB hasn't identified the deep safety(ies).
That's easy. Last year it was coming from everywhere. Duh.
Bottom line: Gardner says Nussmeier has done a lot to help him "protect myself," lots of talk about run checks, LOS stuff.
— Nick Baumgardner (@nickbaumgardner) August 20, 2014
We all know that didn't exist under Borges last season. Michigan routinely got to the line with about 5 seconds to snap the thing.
— Nick Baumgardner (@nickbaumgardner) August 20, 2014
...is the damning one. I don't think RR's QBs or Meyer's QBs make their own audibles. But I can't think of any reason not to give someone on your side time to audible.
I was about to post the exact same thing. I guess it goes both ways (defense doesn't know our formation either) but I think it would suit an offense more to have time to audible.
And that makes me feel more comfortable. I look forward to the offense having a chance to stop whatever defense is coming.
When that quote about not having to identify a MIKE emerged, I spent a little time on Twitter talking about that with people. It seems that there was never any time to make what might have been vital formation reads last year, nor was there a lot of time for anyone to really get set on a few occasions. It's encouraging to hear that there is stress being put on reading the defense and adjusting to it, something I know we hoped was going to be part of this change.
Devin and the offense were getting set with time running down on the play clock under Al. Defenses did not even have to disguise what they were doing. Nuss gets them up quick and it gives them time to read and audible. This will be a big benefit to the line play and allow DG to get settled.
I was impressed with McCarron's growth while at Alabama. How much that was McCarron and how much it was Nuss remains to be seen.
McCarron (wrongfully) went from being nicknamed McHandoff to a legit threat.
Personally, I thought Nuss brought a lot to the vertical passing game.
Edit: after research, if Devin gets the Nuss bump he'd be sitting at close to 40 tds on the year (unrealistic, and I wasn't being serious but check out how Nuss has affected a qb's td total).
I really don't like linking to espn and I'm sure this has been posted, dissected and regurgitated but: see link that jumps to the top apparently.
Edit2: after writing and rewriting that post I have no idea who it was aimed at but it wasn't Space Coyote.
So take that, whoever.
I remember a post or two about QB development in year two under Al Borges's tutelage as well before the 2012 season. There was quite a significant leap in production for QBs in their second year.
All we can do is wait and see.
is the Line made all the calls under Borges.
Watch this. Embed to help me with this.
Now... given that, what would explain why Borgess would not have had DG making that read/call himself? Was there something he did from a philosophy stand point or scheme stand point that would have had him telling our QB to key in on other things, or, as has been suggested, leave that strictly as a line call? Seems like a a tough read for a bent over center to make; peeking to see if that safety is creeping down...
"Hi Mike. I'm Devin. And we're okay with each other, right?"
"...as long as you don't make me run around in spiral circles until I chuck a duck up into random space."
I don't know about you guys, but Devin is the one person on this roster that actually says things that Coach Hoke probably doesn't want him saying in public. Everyone else seems to have the coachspeak and Fort thing down to a science; Devin, that guy, says how he really feels and what's really going on. As a fan, he's my type of guy. We appreciate you, Devin....remember that even when you get in trouble for sharing, lol.
What? You referring to the pointing out the Mike?
Yes, he basically through Borges under the bus. Hoke has a tendency not to point the figure or blame people. Whether on purpose or not, DG just did that.
BUT thanks to Borges Devin now understands the back to back reverse philosophy. You tell me which is more important
Surely you can't be serious
Thank you for getting it!
But then again, they way plays were run, it was pretty clear they were to line up and run the play Al had called. With little if any time to change the play call at the line, just let the line make their calls and go. Nuss doesn't want to run a play that will most likely fail, so he's giving Devin direction in how to identify pressure and adjust if necessary. Nuss played QB during his days, Al didn't. I always wondered how well he could teach the position given his lack of direct knowledge. As we found out, not very well.
Was Borges doing with this kid?
Possibly, simplifying his role. Gardner had limited experience last year. It is entirely possible that even Borges would have added identifying the Mike to Gardner's responsibilities this year. Just a guess, though.
But why did Borges choose to simplify Gardner's role and give more responsibility to an o-line whose center entering week 5 had zero experience as a starting center? Gardner was a 4th year junior last year, who played QB in high school. Glasgow did not have the same experience as Gardner, and that's why I think things actually got worse when Glasgow replaced Jack Miller at center. Yes, Miller was getting beat more often than Glasgow, so on an individual basis, Glasgow performed better, but how many of the blown assignments where Kalis et al were getting beat was due to poor line calls from the center?
I just re watched last year's MSU game and can confirm that DG did not identify the Mike before the plays.
I don't know if it's a huge deal. Would it have helped against State? I think the timing is probably more important, not having time to identify defenses and call audibles
Al Borges was old school, very old!
...for an offense to identify the MIKE to be able to know when and where pressure from and have hot reads built into the route tree.
And appreciate that we have Nuss. I can't imagine how depressing it would be having to face another season with Borges. If Nuss just has DG throw a quick pass to a cushioned receiver at the line for a free 5 yards it will be an improvement. Take the freebies.