I'm flattered, and whoever downvoted this is a jerk.
Tennessee is not recruiting well just because they got 18 dudes
I'm flattered, and whoever downvoted this is a jerk.
Wow, we are really starving for any morsel in the off season, aren't we?
I think this is a pretty significant change. Especially since #7 is purely a qb #. Or known as one atleast.
Not necessarily. Chris Floyd and Brandin Hawthorne wore/have worn it. I think of #12 as just as much of a QB number. Roundtree was the first non-QB I can think of to wear it.
Ah yes. Good call.
What unbelievable RB depth we had back then. Powers was a 1,000-yard rusher as a sophomore and then came off the bench the next two years.
God, I love that away jersey.
Don't forget good ole Scotty Dreisbach. #12 to Mercury Hayes to beat UVA in 1995.
I pretty sure Shane Morris wants to wear 12 at Michigan.
Its irrelevant what number HE wants to wear in college. Any sport I ever played had seniors pick first and trickling down to freshman. He can pick his number when its available, until then, worry about football.
there is a certain future hall-of-fame quarterback in the NFL that wears #12. So...
he's singing 12's my number
He wears #12 now. Wore #10 for the Maize n' Blue.
Too lazy to make new topic... But their rb just got kicked out for drug use. We play them next season, right?
yes, but he was a senior
Probably just personal preference now that 12 is available. Both 7 and 12 have been QB numbers of prominence over the years, and college football doesn't have positional number restrictions like the NFL. Not many tea leaves to read.
his high school number was 7...
12-7 is 5.
5 was Tate Forcier's number.
Yep, I think it's pretty clear that Devin is going to have an awesome first half of the season then try to transfer to hawaii
I think you're on the right track but wrong.. 7+12=19 ... 19 was Kelvin Grady ...Devin Gardner is going to join the Basketball team !!
but then he will quit the basketball team to play...wait for it...
So much for the future "Shane Morris, #12" legend jersey.
Didn't Shane tweet that he was told he was supposed to have that number?
So there is no conflict.
Edit: Who's high? this guy...
His Twitter bio changed to "University of Michigan QB #??" a while back and so this threw me. So it wasn't necessarily his choice -- and he wore 7 in high school -- but they had to wait until Roy took #21.
My thought is It seems he was taken off of #7.
Was it because A) He'll be used as a wide receiver (and backup QB) and they wanted to give him a different number, thinking #7 is too purely a quarterback number? Or B) It's for somebody else. Could #7 be made a "legends" number and given to Denard? What if Denard would be a legend down the road, wouldn't he be a legend as #16?
shane morris is #12 for de la salle. i bet he is mad about this.
No worries. Devin switches to #12 this year, kills it at WR for a year before erasing the 2. I bet Shane would love to be throwing to #1.
Scott Driesbach is smiling.
That being the case, Elvis Grbac and Ricky Powers would be smiling too, since they both donned #12 as well at various points (but not for their entire career at Michigan). Gardner would be in good company certainly. I think Matt Gutierrez wore it too.
Going back to the 80s, I want to say a few defensive backs had #12. Ernest Bock comes to mind for some reason.
Grbac wore #12 at one point? I thought he was always #15.
He wore #15 for the rest of his career, but in 1988, he was #12. I can't believe I remembered that.
EDIT: In perusing these roster listings, I should have specified and not thrown Powers in with Grbac - Ricky did wear #12 from 1990-1993. I fail.
Since both are qbs and won't be on the field at the same time. Maybe this is just a move to solidify that DG isn't moving to wr.
I've never seen two players from the same side of ball with the same number. This makes no sense unless it is only for this year as Shane tweeted a letter from the coaches (front paged earlier in the week) with a Winged helmet and the number 12 on it. Someones got some splaining to do Lucy.
The #12 was just for the year 2012 I believe because that DT we just offered got the same letter and tweeted something along the lines of... "I think I got a letter Shane was supposed to get".
this is all a scheme by D.B. to sell more jerseys.
This is the most reasonable explanation I've seen here except for DG just wanting a new number
Don't mind me, I'm just speculating.
What if Michigan is making Rick Leach and his #7 a "Michigan Legend"
What if they want to give that #7 to Shane Morris
What if they don't want to make this move a year from now because it would look bad to strip DG of #7 just to give it to an incoming stud freshman instead of the senior quarterback
which would make him a junior with two years left.
That probably means that Shane is gonna redshirt his first year. Im not sure if kids that are redshirted get a jersey number.
Redshirts are regular members of the team just like anyone else. They're all just freshmen in the official listings that first year. The next year they become "RS Fr."
Redshirts get a number. Everyone on the team has a number. However it is common for RS freshmen to have the same number as a senior. Usually not on the same side of the ball, but that's not unheard of either. For example Jake Long got 77 as a freshman in 2003, even though Tony Pape was a senior.
Anyway it shouldn't matter here because I doubt Morris redshirts--that would mean he was behind Bellomy after Spring/Fall practices next year.
Could it simply be that Roundtree changed his number and Gardner always has been fond of the #12? Just a thought.
Then why would he have changed his Twitter bio to "quarterback number ???" a while back? Seems like he didn't know what number he was going to have, which leads to believe that 7 was taken away for some reason
Or maybe he knew he was taking #12 and didn't want to steal Roy Roundtree's thunder before the public announcement that he was switching to #21.
No.... Roundtree didn't know he actually was getting #21 until he went to his #12 locker and his name plate wasn't there anymore. Surprise!
Gardner Is trolling Morris hard. Seems really strange since Gardner wore 7 in high school
I would've thought Shane Morris would have wanted to keep his number since high school. What do you mean by that?
Tough shit if he is pissed.
Upperclassmen have paid their dues. When Devin graduates, Shane can have #12.
'Cuz it's a pretty good book.
That author is a Dick.
I'm going to guess that as a guy going into his third year in the program who was a top recruit who reportedly has enough athletic ability that the coaches are searching for ways to get him on the field, Gardner really doesn't care what a junior in high school thinks.
I really think #7 should become a Legend number.
You have Rick Leach, the first-ever QB at Michigan to start as a Freshman, start for four straight years. He led Michigan to three straight Big Ten Championships and three straight wins over ohio.
Then there is Chad Henne, who holds every passing record in the single season and career categories. He also led Michigan to a Big Ten championship in 2004.
I wonder if all the folks who tear into Braylon around here, connecting his off field issues with the #1 jersey, would do the same with Rick Leach, the Legends patch, and his rather well-documented issues with substance abuse during his MLB career. Huge suspension, going AWOL on his team during a bender or two...
But thanks for asking!
If Braylon disappeared from his team on a Saturday night, missed a game on Sunday, and was in Goodell's office on Monday explaining away a bender on his way to a suspension and rehab by Tuesday, you'd have four sanctimonious diaries filed here by Friday.
Good to know you keep such obvious double standards based on your own petty agenda.
Bando vs Section 1
Oh boy, I got my popcorn ready.
Poor Section 1 ... he has NEG-ON-SIGHT status to how many MGoBlog readers? Many, surely ...
Anyway, the answer is no for me, too. It could certainly be argued that some of Leach's actions have tarnished the Michigan Man name (whatever TF it may be).
Here's an important difference IMO: With one exception (his unfriendly remarks about Lloyd after the '08 Iowa game and during the rest of the year), Leach hasn't made himself bigger than the program. I personally interpreted his RichRod enthusiasm as an expression of support. (I may be in the minority there.)
Braylon, OTOH, has routinely made himself bigger than the program. #1 jersey (x many), publicly whining about RichRod (said jersey) *and* Hoke (little brother Berkley ... fergodsake), etc. He's high maintenance, full stop. His scholarship is a wonderful gesture but it does not offset his repeated jacka$$ery. Only someone lousy in ethical mathematics would make that argument.
BTW, Bando, would you give Braylon an overall pass? Just curious ...
No. But I do think Rick Leach has been given a pass by people who are too young, too ignorant, or too residually concerned with Rich Rodriguez to call a spade a spade. Rick Leach lost almost a third of an MLB season for a raging coke habit. Got caught with drugs in a team hotel. Disappeared from his club and missed games because of his addictions.
Braylon has, what, a few offseason incidents and a lively tongue. Sure, that's problematic, but it never compromised his ability to fulfill his obligations to his team, and has never appeared to impact his ability to function as an adult. All I'm saying is that if folks are going to torpedo Braylon and the #1, they might as well acknowledge or consider how Rick Leach has conducted himself if he is going to be mentioned for the Legends honor.
You forgot his arrest for soliciting prostitution also.
To be fair, everyone back then in sports was doing drugs and prostitutes. Craig James killed 5 hookers and that didn't stop him from running for Senate.
it's quite reasonable that you can't run for Senate unless you have indeed killed 5 hookers
Mayb he did it so we'd all have something to obsess about in May?
By the way, wasn't Nesbitt the one who tweeted the photo that supposedly was of Trey Burke's dorm? Did he ever offer any kind of retraction/explanation?
No, that was Neal Rothschild, who covered basketball for the Daily this year. Nesbitt probably just retweeted it like a bunch of other people did
And that was Burke's dorm room, so why would Rothschild need to retract or explain? Burke just didn't end up leaving, that's all.
Just a thought, but if DG is really moving to WR, numbers 21 & 1 will be open for him by the time Shane gets to campus. If he's really making the change, I could see him earning one of those jerseys and giving Shane the #12. Again, I think we're all reading a bit too much into this (12 isn't legally any different from 7 for WRs, and I doubt he would change just because it felt better), but just a thought.
Or it just dozen't matter. Yep, went there.
Trollin' with a few bits of harsh, accurate reality.
I fully agree. I think the blogosphere is getting a wee bit restless in the offseason.
You did get the pun though, right? It was mostly about the pun. By mostly I mean totally. Even though yea it doesn't matter.
This may be the most boring, meaningless post in history.
Come on guys. We can think of better things to talk about on here. D Gardner changing numbers seems like we're reaching for topic a little bit. I know it's baseball season which is possibly the most boring time of the year for football fans. But come on, we can do better.
It's the offseason. Deal with it
Holy lack of Ockham's Razor, people!
What if the coaching staff is just moving away from multiple players having the same number and Brandin Hawthorne got to keep #7 due to seniority?
So what you're saying is that Gardner is going to play LB?
He's saying that Coach Hoke somehow changed the tide on something and some people somewhere are even beginning to believe in him. Selling something somewhere is a start
I changed from cinnamon toast crunch to captain crunch berries for breakfast today. What this means? I don't know.
Jeez, I can't believe there have been so many posts and no one has yet offered the most obvious interpretation: Devin knows Shane is about to decommit, so the #12 is now available to Devin. Remember, you heard it here first!
(And, wow, if this actually happens, I'm going to feel so much like crap for posting this snark here...)
I wouldn't worry. I heard Borges is planning on installing an all Wildcat offense with Norfleet as the permanent QB.
OMG EVERYONE TWEET DEVIN AND ASK WHYYYYYYYYY!
I am voting this the dumbest mgothread ever.
Players in Bentley Database to wear 12 since 1960:
|Bock, Ernest F.||1985-'87||DB|
|Schmitz, James E.||1969-'69||RB|
That's 26 players, of whom a third were quarterbacks. It seems it was a running back number in the '60s but the last RB to wear it was Ricky Powers. The one thing it's not is a receiver number--Roundtree and Landon Smith are the only WRs to wear it.
If you want to break it up by years, it's 30 seasons of QBs with 12 on, versus five seasons of receivers wearing it over that time period. It's a QB number.
In my opinion numbers and positions really don't matter in college football. Forgodsakes look at Shawn Crabels number as a linebacker or Hawthorne's. Players just use them for tradition, like a wide receivers wearing numbers in the 80's.
I think you missed the point of those arguing what an important thread this is... 12 is less of a QB number than 7 (a "pure QB number"), and therefore this is a significant sign that DG will be playing other positions this year (even though there are no NCAA guidelines about what numbers are worn by what positions, and we already knew that DG will be used at more than just backup QB this year based upon listening to the coaches and watching practice). The only way to know that would be to also analyze the history of the #7, and compare it to your data on #12.
Somebody on Twitter mentioned some of the fall freshmen are getting numbers too. We're shipping Hail to the Victors to the printer tomorrow at noon and are making our final changes today so if anyone has any confirmable information on this please post.
Update on this. At this point the athletic department will not confirm a number change other than Roundtree's to 21. Speculation seems to be coming entirely from Gardner changing his Twitter address. Unless something changes in the next 16 hours HTTV is going to print with him still at 7. If you have confirmation please let me know because I don't want the book to seem dated when people start getting it next month.
DG has worn #7 his whole life. The only reason why he is switching to #12 is because he will also be lining up at WR and DB as well as QB. So the switch is made because he and hawthorne will be on the field at the same time and that can not happen.
One other option I could see is that because of his size and athleticism, they might want him to play hail mary defense at ends of games or halfs like big time recievers like Calvin do. If this was the case, he might be on the field with hawthorne at the same time, meaning he cant be number 7. Just a theory.