Count me in. Sam Webb often says the kid has done everything asked of him. Feeling a lot better about the rest of this season and next.
Peppers at 10, which seems low.
Count me in. Sam Webb often says the kid has done everything asked of him. Feeling a lot better about the rest of this season and next.
This. What was last week a sort of panic about next year's QB situation has this week become somewhat of an excitement. All in a matter of 7 days.
I guess I'm really surprised that the offense maintained some level of complexity and smooth execution under Gardner's command ... I dunno how that kid managed to stay on top of the playbook and the signal calling while spending all season at WR. I felt like he's got athleticism and talent, I just didn't know how well he would lead the offense. I'm really impressed that he brought it all together. He looked intelligent out there.
Recall that RichRod said that Gardner had a better command of the offense than Forcier in Gardner's freshman camp. Even discounting for the hyperbole, it's still says something that RichRod could make that statement to Forcier.
One week to review and remaster the whole playbook? No problem.
True, but Forcier was obviously no genius...
by any means. However, Devin is a great QB.. Morris can sit a year learning from him next year. I hope Devin is Qb for next year.
certainly learn from Devin but what do we do with Bellomy?
They do what big time programs do with every unathletic QB that can't throw.....run scout team and try to get good enough for serviceable mop up time.
I think that it improved.
No kidding, I think it was actually a more balanced attack. Not gonna lie, I appreciated seeing Rawls given the chance to run too. I feel like he and Fitz were complementing each other nicely.
Rawls deserves a LOT of credit. He did a lot today. I'm excited to see what Hoke and Co. can do once they get their kids
I agree with your overall sentiment just would reword to type of players.
These team members are these kids.
I feel like Rawls lit a fire under Tous' ass. The difference between Tous in the first half, before Rawls started getting snaps, and in the second was night and day.
Honestly looked like a veteran after some early jitters. But who can blame him considering the line not blocking too well. Really liked his decision making on deciding when to run and the hard counts to draw the other teams offside and the awareness to throw downfield for a free play is something I haven't seen in a long time. I'll take this good performance for now, just kinda wished that he would have taken more QB snaps prior to Nebraska
Gardner had a really good day - very impressed. One thought I had was that as a WR he has to know the routes that he and the other WR's, TE's are running even better than he had before the stint at WR. Additionally, he has had a ton of game experience this year vs a handful of plays last year. I suspect that being on the big stage for eight previous games, even as a WR, helped him from being overwhelmed.
I often go to the games early as I like to watch the teams warm up. Ever since he arrived in Ann Arbor, I thought between Devin, Denard and the no longer with us Tate, Devin had the best arm by far.
I was watching that TD play at the gym, and I as like... NO NO NO NO SACK! NO NO TURN OVER!! NO NO NO INTERCEPTION!! YES!!! YEA BABY THAT'S HOW IT'S DONE!
There were 10 people looking at me after I was done, and I was not embarrassed.
Brings back memories of old Denard days.. The UTL ND game and such.
the same as mine. fear/hope/angar/despair/confusion/joy . . . all within less than 10 seconds.
although I did all that with my lard-ass half-off the couch and with bits of nacho shooting out of my mouth. and instead of 10 people watching it was just a cat with a bladder infection.
Hope he can get his medical RS for that freshman year.
I know what the procedure is but I think if he is going to get it, or the coaching staff plans on him getting it, they would have told us by now
He does not get a ruling until after his senior year, at least that is what we have been told.
but it doesn't seem fair to the player. Seems like they should know BEFORE their senior year.
My anxiety for next year has taken a massive dip after today
Yes. Shane you can Redshirt and we can become normal Michigan once again.
Gardner obviously looks like the starter next year, but Morris may not redshirt. Bellomy's going to have to beat him out for the #2 spot for that to happen.
If Gardner doesn't get hurt next year, they will not burn Morris' redshirt just to play him in garbage time. IIRC John Navarre and Chad Henne played every meaningful snap in some of their seasons.
DG was awesome today running and throwing. Very decisive in knowing when to tuck it and run. Two scoring drives of 90 and 91 yards respectively. He flat out balled today and gives a lot of hope for the future.
when to tuck and run. He is also a better pocket passer and a better passer in general.
However, he does make me nervous with that flushed out of the pocket "Yackty Sax" reverse field running around routine.
Thank you Gardner best team player around and you deserved this game.
Devin looked a little scary on the first two drives but he sure settled into a groove. Glad to see that Jug! Go Blue!
in other news, Demens looks like a star wars character for some reason. I love him.
Great game by Gardner =) Perfect antidote for last week.
This game would've been really shaky without Devin
He defines it
Gardner is a great testament to the legacy of great Michigan Football players. True team player, Bo would be proud.
While Devin besides just size is not as phsyically dominate...but from against minnisota mind you he seemed to make all the right reads.
beer, me thinks.
*Physically dominant... Not that hard to spell.
*Minnesota, also not hard to spell.
Therefore; your argument is invalid.
Let's not get too excited for next year guys. MAXIMUM of 2 returning starters on the line if Lewan decides to forego millions for a year. Sorry to be buzz killington.
geez give us a few minutes!
Lewan would be a big loss for sure, but our OLine is pretty terrible this season as it is. Would it really be a loss losing the interior guys and replacing them with younger guys who are higher rated? Probably a push at worst. That said, Lewan will probably go and that will be a big loss.
Yes. Young lineman are usually a problem, regardless of their rating.
Not always. Talented linemen can step in as RS freshmen and make an impact right off the bat. (True freshmen OL are rare.) Our 1997 OL actually started three redshirt freshmen - who went on to be 4-year starters.
In any event, a talented QB can make the OL transition go a lot more smoothly.
Lewan and Long both started as RS FR. (and so did Hutchinson.. one of the linemen you're talking about) and Hutchinson actually converted to the OL during his RS year!
Yea, I just meant usually. Two first round top 15 draft picks and a once in a lifetime season don't negate the fact that young offensive lineman usually struggle. I'm not saying DOOM, and hope I'm wrong, but I'm just generally nervous about next year.
Hutchinson, Backus, and ... who else? I think they were the only ones from that class to start. Maurice Williams, IIRC, didn't start right away.
She sang the song while wearing her "The Kicker Thinks of Me When the Game is on the Line" shirt right after the game. Life is good right now.
The stat line for Gardner really was fantastic - 12/18 for 234 yards and 2 TDs with 1 INT, even helping a bit in the rushing game with 21 yards. For someone that had reportedly gotten no reps at this position this season until this week (and who was last in a game as QB last year in Illinois), that is a great show. Thank you, Devin Gardner.
High level meeting with about a minute left.
With his performance today, the real question is how do you move DG back to WR and not let him finish the rest of the season at QB. Time to move Denard to slot and let him audition for the NFL!!!
Classic prisoner of the moment comment
If Nebraska beats MSU why not? The upside outweighs the downside tbh... Devin getting more reps>us getting to a less crappy bowl.
Nebraska could easily lose to Ped Staee or @ Iowa
We could easily lose to Iowa and OSU.
Calling Penn State "Ped Staee" doesn't fly here btw.
No effing way in hell. Iowa is terrible and we have them in AA. OSU or NW, yes. Iowa, no. Northwestern is WAY more dangerous than Iowa.
They were a 6-6 team last year and we still managed to lose by 8 points. Any team with a pulse can stop our offense cold if Denard's arm doesn't cooperate.
Perfect argument for Gardner to finish out the season at QB. This in no way need decrease Denard's impact running the ball. After what we've seen from Denard as a QB there is no other responsible decision.
After today's game, I'm not sure about your second sentence.
Denard is a RB, plain and simple. He is a liability when he throws the ball. Even if Denard's touches were significantly fewer in a lead RB role he would have much more room to break free for the huge plays. I understand most Michigan fans are sentimental when it comes to Denard but the bottom line is the team will be better if Devin is playing QB going forward. His passing ability demands respect and will not only make our passing game better but will provide better opportunities for the run game also. It's time some of you stop viewing this situation through dilithium colored glasses.
kinda works, though.
For this post?
I don't know if it's a fair comparison. All of Devin's play last year came off the bench when he'd spent the week as the #2 QB. Gameplanning as the #2 QB, taking snaps as the #2 QB, etc.
This game, he spent the week as the #1 guy essentially. That can make a huge difference. The offensive gameplan this week was built around Gardner, instead of being built around Denard and then adjusted mid-game to deal with Gardner.
helped him calm down and get used to the game at speed, helping his decision making and settling his nerves at QB before the first half was over.
We're not used to letting guys mature before they play. Something to be said for watching. learning, growing. From both sides of the ball.
I hope he has a big year next year, at whatever position he plays (probably QB after today). He deserves it.
From the post game interview, and everything I've read about him.
medical redshirt goes through
Bravo, young man! You were right!
To beat a dead horse, why wasn't Devin in last week?
Because as far as what's been reported he hadn't been taking any significant reps at QB since the switch to WR. I have no affiliation with the coaching staff so u can't prove it disprove that statement. One wound then
Because coming in unexpectedly with no practice or prep at QB against Nebraska =/= preparing all week knowing that you're the starter all week against Minnesota.
I can understand playing Bellomy last week however after the first couple possessions why not replace him with Gardner? It was obvious to everyone that Russ wasn't ready. Couldn't have hurt to see what Gardner could do. Pretty frustrating
so hoping devin gets his redshirt now...prolly not though
Nice leadership Devin. Plays smart like a Michigan man should. Also great game Gallon (jug)!
Devin has done everything that can be expected out of a player and then some.
If I may be so bold as to quote myself from the game thread...
"Somebody needs to make a Devin Gardner appreciation thread. This guy is a coach's dream. He's done everything the program has asked of him and more.
"He came in as the Rivals number one overall ranked QB, and took a back up role behind Denard. He stayed on through the coaching change and bought into his role as a sort of hybrid QB/RB in our "Joker" packages last year. Then, this year, he moved to receiver because we really needed an outside threat, and has performed as well as anyone could possibly expect at that position. Now, when called upon to move back to QB mid-season, he's done so, and we haven't heard anything out of him other than he's a fantastic teammate and a really positive, upbeat kid.
"Devin Gardner, you sir, are one of a kind."
looks like someone heeded your advice
OP is LastHoke’s other account.
The only way Denard isn't back at QB next week is if he makes the decision to start getting ready for the NFL. There is no way Hoke can pull his Sr. QB that has been Michigan for 3 years.
Devin woulda been coming in cold at QB having taken 0 snaps in practice and all of them at WR. It mighta worked out better than Bellamy's... performance, but I can understand why you don't put Devin in that situation with no prep. If you're throwing Bellamy to the lions, I can see how the coaches are thinking that it's tenfold worse to put Devin in there without having practiced at ALL at QB
Also, I guarantee that the happiest guys on the team right now are BOTH Devin and Denard
You're hurting our delicate self esteem. Just ask Captain Hindsight. He'll tell you everything we did wrong!
We did nothing wrong.
edit: yeah, flamebait, sure. People need to learn how to spell.
Don't forget, DG started out just as rough as RB last week:
But he had the composure to recover and get it all together for a big win for him and the program.
If you take out the interception and the sack he took on the following drive instead of throwing the ball away, that's an 'A' game. The kind of game you expect from a much more experienced QB. Pretty amazing considering he just started practicing at QB this week. I'm very happy for him.
Now the offensive line on the other hand....
Why wasn't he under center AT ALL last weekend? Especially after I read this week that both DG and Bellomy have both been getting reps all along.
Not trying to piss on the parade, just genuinely curious.
Devin: "Kiss my yakety sax, haters."
Devin played great and I knew he would once a flow was developed. The underlining theme here however is good coaching this team is coached well and results prove this. Talent wise we are still catching up but I am so proud that we have hoke and co at the helm. Go Blue!!
Devin Gardner is a great athlete. Very special football player indeed, makes me much more optimistic for next year.
Thanks a ton, Devin! You gonna ball big time for Michigan next year.
For choosing Michigan. Great job today. young man!
but I'd love to see how many of you were the same Devin bashers after the spring game...please man up and identify yourselves. I never once doubted that Devin was our #2 QB (although I did like the WR decision).
Devin is a great athlete, can run and throw, and also Borges deserves a lot of credit today. GO BLUE!
But like you, I agree with that WR decision. He has made some catches right when we needed them. He's been a heck of a player for us. Next year looks like a good one for him.
I've always said that he's probably been the most screwed over player in Michigan history. He has. All the people that have continued to say Shane is the way for 2013 need to step up.
but I've also felt uncomfortable with all the the waiting for Shane as if DG weren't even here. Makes me even more selfishly happy he got to prove himself.
If he's granted the medical redshirt for 2010, then I wouldn't say he's been screwed over. He'd still have two years to start at QB (not counting any starts this year), and he's gotten the opportunity to also play WR while Denard has been here. The burned (?) redshirt is the big issue.
You also said Michigan was going to fall off the next few years without Denard. So excuse us if we aren't really listening.
Good luck with that.
(bashers stepping up)
That has to have been one of the best games where a backup qb has started that I've ever seen
Good point, one usually doesn't see this out of a "backup". Vandenberg for Stanzi vs Ohio State in 09' is my number one, though. He played lights out as a true freshman and damn near knocked the Buckeyes off in the Shoe.
It's up there.
Notable games for backup QB's starting...
*Ryan Mallet vs. Minnesota (2007) 11 of 20 for 238 yards and 1 TD.
*Todd Collins vs. Oklahoma State (1992) 29 of 42 for 285 yards and 2 TD's.
*Elvis Grbac vs. Maryland (1989) 10 of 20 for 187 yard and 2 TD's.
He has done everything asked of him. He deserves the accolades this week. I would love to see him come in against NU, Iowa and OSU to see how he does there too. He deserves the #2 slot and a shot at #1.
Don't let Minnesota take away from that either. His passes were really good. His decisions were really good. He played a hell of a game. He would have given Nebraska fits had he been prepped to go in the week before.
I appreciate Devin in this thread.
The tale of your back-to-back 90 yd TD drives in Q2 will be told and retold by many generations of Michigan fans!!!
but no generations of Michigan fans talk about Minnesota games. Except for that comeback game
I'll bet you are the starter next season!
Give Denard another week off next week. More reps for DG. Denard for sure starter against Iowa on senior day. Then run a two qb hybrid snake against Ohio. Ride the high through to the Rose Bowl.
DG can ball.
Pretty confident he'll get his Medical RS. Shane will RS next year and be 2nd string for DGs 5th year.
Two things come to mind:
1) I still think people who wanted Devin to go in last week without having taken any snaps at QB in practice are wrong. Those who are now wondering why he was moved in the first place when Bellomy is clearly unprepared have an excellent case, however.
2) I was about to throw in the towel on next year when Devin struggled in the first quarter. The way he finished the game was simply awesome, though. It's an extremely tall task to prepare for the QB position after just one week of taking reps, and we should all be pretty excited at how well Devin handled the situation. Wonderful effort out there. And I think even if Denard comes back 100% next week, Devin will continue to take at least some QB reps and will remain the #2 for the rest of the season.
From what I recall at the time DG's medical redshirt was something that we wouldn't know about until after his senior year but was something that was more or less expected to go through without a problem. Now folks seem to highly doubt it will happen. Since there has been a complete lack of information/updates I wonder why the perception has changed.
Even so, for today- WOOOO!
Another great moment for Michigan football! He played calm, cool and focused. Devin has prepared for this moment for a long time and he carried it off.
To be honest, I think Devin is a better decision maker than Denard. Denard is still the #1 guy this season, but I think this game shows us who the QB will be next season.
Also Re: his medical redshirt, on Inside Michigan Football when he comes up on screen to talk, the nameplate graphic said Sophomore QB.....
Twice Devin took advantage of a free play and chucked it downfield (and drew a PI one time) and multiple times he did first read, second read, run and got some good yards. He also looked surprisingly composed in the pocket when it collapsed (constantly)
Devin was impressive. It is odd to have that confidence in a qb and not hold my breath every time he drops back. I love Denard, but now i have feelings for Devin as well. Impressive showing.
Boy, sure seems like a good idea to put Bellamy in for an entire half last week doesn't it. We don't have anybody else at quarterback who can run the offense. Please. They gave Gardener one week and he dominated. Hope should donate his salary from the Nebraska week to charity.
They give away 2 games a year that you can't ask about or mention. I didn't just say that.
Maybe the guy had an experience against Danny Hope's Gardener?
in a row. Impressive.
Hopefully he can be as good when facing the buckeyes. Then we can plan for Rose Bowl.
Devin is loving life right now. He maintained all season that he is a season and will play next season. He just earned the right to be the frontrunner.
He is not only a season, but a DAMN GOOD season
We're from season!
Thanks Devin, you probably saved Al Borges job today, and gave us a glimpse of M offensive football circa 2013 going forward.
Devin's passes in the final three quarters looked tight, and what a sight to see a receiver being hit in stride on a long pass. Kid's got a pretty big arm, considering some of those passes (scramble, long TD to Dileo) were not with perfect QB technique. I have to think that his work at WR has been helpful in terms of feeling the speed of the game and knowing where the receivers will/should be.
Ill tell you what... I hope I don't see Denard play QB again this year, after seeing Gardner POISED, CLUTCH, EFFECTIVE. Seriously.... I cannot stand watching Denard play anymore, running those stuffed zone option reads. Denard tried hard and did well but I would rather have Gardner going forward, to save the season.
You are delusional. It was one game, we are not replacing our best player because of one good game against Minny. Get ahold of yourself.
I can understand why some people are going to have this sort of reaction to this game. Doesn't make it any more correct, but it's understandable.
First off, it's Minnesota. Sure, they're better this year than they were last year, but it's still unclear how much this performance means.
Second, I think you could make a pretty solid argument that Borges is more comfortable calling a game with Gardner at QB than with Denard. That doesn't mean the Gardner offense is actually better, it just looks more polished because it's in the OC's comfort zone.
Third, regardless of caveats, this was an outstanding game for DG. I've been irrationally high on Gardner since he came on in garbage time against Bowling Green in 2010, and it's great to have a reason to be rationally high on him now. I'm hoping harder than ever that his medical redshirt comes through and we get 2 years of DG starting.
Well know that I was the original Denard supporter, over Forcier, enough that I got booted for the post "Its all about Denard"..... but the last 8 quarters Ive seen Denard play, was enough to not be able to watch it any longer. Gardner is a better QB and is heady, something that Denard unfortunately has shown me he is not. Play Denard in the slot and/or at rb...but Gardner needs to be the QB going forward.
I'd be very happy with two years of grooming Shane Morris to take over instead of one. I think Gardner can be really good, but he just needs more game time. He also needs to be in that kind of big game environment where a QB's worth is really measured. Sorry, but Minnesota is not an overly intimidating place to play.
Today was a good start for Gardner to build his case for next year, but he still has a lot of proving left to do. If Denard, God forbid, is still out for the OSU game, I'd like to see how Gardner plays in that kind of game before anointing him as the starter for next year.
He's absolutely done enough to call him next seasons starter.
It's not gonna be Bellomy anymore, and no way a freshman will come in and take it from Devin.
These people exist and are going to be extra vocal this week.
I am thrilled about devin's performance though. Should be a great starter for next year.
I give Devin credit, but it was Minnesota. Bellomy played against Nebraska in the red sea. Put Devin against msu, out Nebraska, he would probably get destroyed, than all the fans would want Shane morris to start next year.
Jesus you are an idiot. Your bible verse in your sig is even wrong. John 3:16.
No, John 3:16 is a different verse ("For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten son...").
Lol god bless to you too
Dood you totally fail. It's 2 different verses.
You misspelled dude wrong...dude
You're even on the internet where you can look this stuff up before posting wrong information.
I think you misread the title of this thread
Um no i didn't.
for my eight-year-old daughter to watch. Kinda f'd up.
My girlfriend's entire family told me "Gardner is a WR, no need for him at QB" and I continually said Gardner will be our QB in 2013. Finally I got a 'good call' this weekend. Gardner is a TEAM player and I am glad he had the game he had today.
I gotta say Devin did one hell of a job today regardless of who it was against. He got off to a jittery start and kept his composure and started to find his rythym. And I love Denard as much as the next guy but we have to admit that Denard is a great athlete but Devin is a WAY better QB and he seems to provide Borges with the ability to call a more balanced game which makes everyone better. I know it won't happen but I think Devin should stay at QB and Denard moved to the slot and in for a "wildcat" formation.
He's such a great kid and team player. It's awesome to see him start and perform great.
The one thing I was most impressed with was his decision making. He was decisive - he never looked confused as to what was going around him. There was one play where he went primary read, secondary read, run - no hesitation. Then you have the game awareness with the defensive offside free plays. All around solld game mentally.
And... man did he throw a nice deep ball today. He was very accurate for not really having played the position this year. Given more time and reps I'm sure those few passes that were behind receivers would be right on target.
Short week to turn in the WR card and start reading coverages and thinking like a qb. Maybe split snaps the rest of the year to protect Denard's arm and have defenses prep for multiple qbs? Also would help get him more game speed reps for 2013.
Finally, didn't notice much drop off from WR production by moving him back to qb. But, should say was just Minny.
I honestly believe that his time spent on the field at WR has helped his maturity process, develop a better appreciation for the speed of the game and generally has gotten him more comfortable in the offense. I too believe he gives us an option now at slowly developing S. Morris as opposed to throwing him into the fire and possibly causing more harm than good.
and it was only Minnesota, but Gardner looked better throwing the ball today than Denard has looked at pretty much any point this season.
No way will he ever come close to matching Denard's threat as a runner, but Denard is just not a great passer. What we saw from Gardner today, considering he has barely been practicing at QB, indicates to me that he can probably be quite a bit better of a passing QB than Denard is.
I love what Devin did today.
But will this in any way affect Denard's chances at the NFL?
I was fairly blown away by his athleticism. It pains me to say it, but the player he most reminded me of was, um, Terrelle Pryor. So in the best tradition of Fred Jackson, I'll say "He's like Terrelle Pryor, but a good person."
Incredible job today by a true Michigan Man. So happy for this kid, had a tremendous amount of poise. He didn't want to just survive the pressure situations in this game, he wanted to score. Can't wait for Denard to return, can't wait for Devin to take the reins next year.
I wanna show DG appreciation, but I don't agree with the dick comments made in the original post.
But he got sacked at least twice that I recall.
I vaguely remember his throwing motion last year being very shot put like. It looks much more refined this season.
Today made me feel much better about the rest of this year and next. Bellomy at the helm next year was not too exciting after last week.
Really great job Gardner.
You picked up your team when the team really needed you.
Keep working hard and good things will continue to happen.
I was really impressed. I thought he made some good reads and made good decisions for the most part. It certainly looks like he'll be our starter next year.
I wasn't keeping an exact count, but it seemed like Gardner was under center quite a bit. Nice to see.
I very much enjoyed watching Gardner play today. Great job!
Gardner looked much better today than he did last year (especially in his extended time vs MSU -- cue the clown music). I can now relax knowing next year may not be a complete disaster.
Was it me, or did Borges seem to call a better game with DG at QB than he normally does with Denard? I think DG is better suited to his kind of game.
That said, there's a reason that, even if that is actually true (and it may not be, since my sample size is one game against Minnesota), there's a reason they've had Denard start up to now. No one runs like him, and that's still our best weapon.
Still...I'm relieved knowing that we have a great backup, who will be a great starter next year.
I hate to say it but I think Gardner just made better decisions with the football.
I love Heard and think he should keep the starting role if healthy, but Devin's decision making is what impressed me most on the day. After that interested he just seemed to make very sound decisions in every aspect. From checking down to throwing it away to scrambling when nothing else was available. The kid played a great game and gives me hope for the future and a hope he gets that medical redshirt.
What impressed me the most was his ability to shake off that early sack and pick and settle down and play well. I had that dreadful feeling after the first few series but he turned it around and played great. He made good decisions and reads, and TD drives of 91, 90, 86 and 79 yards showed real guts and leadership. I suddenly feel better about next year.
I love his attitude. I also love Denard supporting him.
I was a bit nervous at the start of the game, especially when Devin scrambled and threw a pick. There was also a time he almost held onto the ball too long, but managed to spin and throw it away. But he settled down, and that TD bomb after a scramble was impressive.
As others have said, he was decisive - when I was thinking RUN when people were covered, he was already doing it.
It seemed to me he was under center a lot more that Denard is.
I feel much better about things if Denard lands on his elbow and has to go out. (Don't land on your elbow and have to go out!)
Small sample size, but I was thinking there's our starter next year.
Tip of the hat to him, heck i'll take the whole thing off and bow after that performance. I honestly cannot believe Gardner didn't take a single snap at QB in the Nebraska fiasco. I'd be fine with DG taking the reins again next week and really let Denard address his "boo boo's."
should be celebrated as Devin Gardner Appreciation Day annually.
Gardner played great today, but it's too bad we lost the chance to control our destiny in the Legends division because he wasn't available at QB last week. When it comes down to it, the coaches took a huge gamble when they decided to have DG practice exclusively at WR all year. Denard takes ~20 carries/game and is bound to get hurt for a spell during the season. Backup QB becomes a really important position in that kind of offense. The gamble didn't pay off and we might have lost our shot at a Big Ten title because of it. Gotta put that on Hoke, ultimately. I'm not saying we should get rid of the guy or anything, but this was an incidence of roster mismanagement. They corrected their mistake, though, and I'm looking forward to watching DG at QB in the future.
Things tend to work out.
While it is true MSU screwed the pooch today I do think that we have a decent shot.
We just got to take care of our business and things will take care of themselves.
he played well after the INT. If the offense can stay in that rhythm the rest of the season , leave DG in there.
We have to remember this was MInnesota. NW will be tougher and OSU has a much better defense. To win the next three and beyond, I think some combination of Denard and Devin is crucial to finish the season on a positive note.
If Devin plays as well or better next week, I say let play until he gives the coaches a reason to pull him.
It seems Borges calls a more consistent and logical game when Gardner is in there too. I think today proved that Denard is so unique Borges really doesn't know how to properly use his talents. If he could catch and run routes, a few plays at slot could be interesting, but I don't think his body could take the punishment.
We have to remember this was MInnesota. NW will be tougher and OSU has a much better defense.
Minnesota is not the horrible defensive team people here seem to think they are. They are 34th nationally in total defense. (OSU is 39th and Northwestern is 60th.) In terms of defensive pass efficiency, they are 16th nationally.
Our opinion of Minnesota is distorted by the fact that we destroyed them last year when their team was shorthanded and their coach was suffering health problems. They're a halfway decent team this year and should make a bowl. Northwestern should indeed be a tougher game, but that's because of their offense, not their D.
than Minnesota, not that they are great by any means. I haven't totally lost my mind.
He also had guys like Tree and Gallon making plays around him which made it great. Defense was solid. With respect to recruiting and WR prospect Treadwell I think Gardner answered a valid question for the passing game next year today! Great 180 this week and congrats to a true Michigan Man!
I know this is a DG appreciation thread, but I hope Gallon gets a ton of cred for what he did this weekend. Dude was all over the field making big plays, even in spite of that ankle tweak he did. He even went over the top of that gopher DB to high point a touchdown. He just never quits!
I thought Gardner played great.
But to the people who want him to take over, look at what our running game looked like without DENARD. Until Toussaint bust through with a gravy TD, we were under 3 ypc. Denard's running has obscured the fact that we are an awful running team for some time, IME.
Also, note that we only had 380 yards of offense - against a shit defense - which is less than we were on pace to put on Nebraska with Denard, and equivalent to what we DID put on MSU - a good defense.
I don't put this on Gardner, because he played well with what he could effect, and he's obviously not Denard with the ball in his hands. But this offense works better, now, with Robinson playing. Aside from ND, he has been an effective passer this year (the WRs have killed him - he'll they had three drops for Gardner), and he supplies his own running game despite our struggling line play.
From what I saw, it took Gardner one quarter to get his "sea legs" back as a QB. We gained nine yards of offense in the first quarter. Over the final three quarters, he - and the offense in general - was excellent. Minnesota's not that bad defensively, incidentally; they were 27th in the country in total D coming in.
I think Denard is the leader of the offense and should start when healthy, but there's no reason to downplay Gardner's performance. He doesn't (yet) bring the same threat on the ground but to be honest, I thought he looked better as a passer than Denard has all year. He was decisive, went through his reads and knew when to take off.
I wholeheartedly agree with you, Chitown -- the "Gardner over Denard" argument is not well taken. But now you know why some of us wanted to see what Gardner could do against Nebraska, when the game was still within reach but it had become clear that the offense was going nowhere under Bellomy. The "Gardner is injured" myth was exploded yesterday, and Borges has acknowledged that he took at least some QB reps recently (though not as many as this past week, obviously). So we'll always be left to speculate whether an ill-prepared Gardner could have given us more than what we saw from Bellomy -- and the Minnesota game strengthens my belief that he could have.
He looks the part and should be great next season. However, he's going to need those quick feet next season because of what our OL is going to look like.
Anyways, couldn't be happier he plays for Michigan!!
Did you see the "protection"? He needed the quick feet against Minnesota.
I think our surrounding offensive talent - particularly the line - looks pretty poor when you strip away Denards magic legs.
No qb controversy but it feels great to know michigan has a capable backup and also a veteran for 2013 to show Morris the ropes or better yet have Morris redshirt
a bunch will complain for Devin to go in.
I always knew Devin had this in him and I can't wait for next year, but I'd still rather have Denard.
I'm really happy for him. At one point when they finally announced he would be playing WR, I remember him saying his dream was still to play QB. I'm glad he got a whole game to himself. I met him at the Women's Football Academy and he's a really great guy.
Congrats to Devin for an excellent game. He certainly looked the part of a starting QB, not a converted WR, with a week of practice as QB. I think Gardner will be the starter next year, Bellomy will be the backup. I know were all super excited to get Shane under center ASAP, but I think redshirting him, will be a good idea.
Thank you, Devin!! You played a GREAT game!
The offense you saw yesterday is the offense we will see next year.
Me, Me, Me,........... You Sir are a true team player and your dedication will serve you well in life... well beyond football.