As much as I hate to say this, Devin would be smart to leave after this year so he can ride the obsession of the dual threat QB in the NFL. After Colin, Wilson, RG3, and Cam start to flop like they already are, this obsession should go away.
[Devin, Don't Read This] Gardner listed as #16 overall NFL Draft prospect according to SI
Definitely disagree, all of those except RGIII had pretty good first weeks. Of the three, none of them threw interceptions, all had a QB rating above 97, and Kaepernick threw for 412 yards. Plus Vick had a great game too. RGIII wans't good, but he wasn't awful, and he's also just coming back from a major injury.
But Wilson and Cam were not game changers. Wilson had 7 yards rushing while Cam had 38. Colin also had his run game shut down, but is lucky the Packers secondary is awful. NFL defenses are slowly starting to figure these guys out.
If they're good at both running and passing though, there is only so much they can do. If you have to make an effort to stop the run, then you have to make sacrifices elsewhere (often in coverage). No matter what it's an advantage to have a QB who can run and throw well over a guy who can just throw well.
Colin Kaepernick and Steve Young agree with you. Philadelphia, Michael Vick and Randall Cunningham aren't quite sure. Detroit and Andre Ware vehemently disagree.
The Denver Broncos and their league leading 7 TD quarterback would disagree with you.
I was implying that if passing is equal, than a QB who can run is always an advantage over a QB who cannot. No one is equal to Peyton Manning's passing. (I'm so sorry Tom, please forgive me).
That being said, if I have a choice between Peyton Manning, and Peyton Manning with the running ability of Devin or Colin Kaepernick, I'll take the latter any day of the week.
There's no chance that running success and passing success are a function of one another? They both had fine days passing, and Wilson's success really isn't due to the read option.
i've ever seen is because the packers sold out 10000000% to stop the read option...
We shall see if any of those guys make it past 25. All fun and games until they start getting hit year after year by 275 pounders running 4.5.
Randall Cunningham, Mike Vick and Steve Young managed.
I disagree with him too, but you don't need to be a dick about it.
he's a pocket passer who can run. I think people pigeon hole him as a dual threat QB because he's black, whether if it's fair or not.
Look at Andrew Luck, he's white but people think of him as a pocket passer but he can run. His raw combine numbers is very comparable to Cam Newton who is a dual threat QB. The difference is he's white and Cam is black.
This is why you need to look at QB by their plays on the field instead of automatically assuming based on looks.
Cam had a great rookie year but is pretty much a run of the mill guy these days. He certainly doesn't run like he used to.
But I've had this argument before. In my mind there are running QBs (Denard), Dual Threat QBs (Wilson, Gardner), and Drop Back Passers (Brady).
running QB as dual threat QB which is not the same. Dual threat QBs are the one who can run and pass(but is a pass first QB). Running QB is a QB who can run but can't throw. Big difference between the two.
By black I assume you mean mixed ?
Uhh, Wilson threw for 300+ yards and no interceptions completing 76% of his passes. Lets not confuse a fantasy football game changer with a real world game changer.
Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady weren't game changers this week. Defenses are starting to figure them out.
Your argument sucks dude.
As much as I hate to say it, Pryor can also be added to the list of successful week one dual-threat qb's. Think he through for around 220 and added another 120 on the ground, all against a pretty good Colts D. I don't think this is a fad, I think the NFL is finally figuring out what NCAA coaches realized years ago.
with more tape on him as a Raiders. The Colts have no tape on him and it's an unfortunate effect of playing the 1st game of the season. A lot of unknown factors. He still can't throw though.
Dollars to donuts he has a better game this week...after week one I'm fairly confident the Jags are the most inept team I will ever see
Man that right there was hard to read...
What does week 1 stats in the NFL have to do with Devin's draft status?
The success of those guys LAST year, yes...but why is one week the argument?
Last week Peyton threw for a million TDs. Does that have any barring on anyone in college football? If so, I want THAT guy.
The OP was insinuating that NFL D's were figuring out dual threats (particularly because they've now had an entire offseason to gameplan against them). The only data we have for counterpoint right now is week one. The fact that 25% of the league started a dual threat QB last week (and there may be more, i'm going strictly off memory) is a strong argument that the trend is growing, not declining. Furthermore, all of these QB's had ok to good week one's (Pryor, Kaepernick, Geno Smith, RGIII, Russell Wilson, Vick, EJ Manuel, Cam).
I'm saying the argument is off.
Is a winner tho. Stats or not, the guy just seems to win.
as long as the QB is actually good at both running and passing. Kap has a rocket for an arm, and that 49er gameplan had an answer for the loaded box before they even saw it. He had the offense firing on all cylinders.
It's unfair to call RG3 a flop after 1 bad game when he clearly wasn't 100%. And Wilson gets a pass because, again, small sample size.
As for Cam, it seems like the offensive gameplan isn't there. Maybe Gorgeous Borges can do some consulting on the side...let 'em know how to use the pass to set up the run.
is they can't throw. RG3, Russell, Kaep, Cam and to name a few are the ones who can throw first and foremost and can kill you with their legs when pocket breaks down. If you can run but can't pass (like Tebow, Pryor, etc.), you won't last very long as a NFL QB.
Which is exactly the kind of QB that Devin is.
Devin is more of the former than the latter, right?
Between those two options, yes.
Devin's best attribute is his mobility so far. This list needs a third option and that's "pocket mobility" (or whatever you want to call it). He moves the pocket to get not only himself an open passing lane, but time for his WR's to seperate. Without it this offense is entirely different, and really probably not all that productive. He may be a fine pocket passer, but his ability to move is what makes him good.
but he is the best at movement within the pocket which is more important than being able to run if you're a pocket passer. Peyton and Brady are the two best QB in that regard.
I should have specificied, but yes.
I should have specificied, but yes.
Do you actually add anything to the conversation? Other than banning people from watching football and banning people from posting of course.
He's an asshole, he can't help it. Sorry mods but he is.
Yeah, completely off base here. A pro-style QB that can also run will always be in demand.
The decision will be forced on him. Devin will be a top 10 pick. SI has him too low. If he keeps performing at the current level, he is going to give Bridgewater a run for his money for the #1 overall pick.
Burn this thread after reading. He mustn't know!
from here on out, Gardner's pseudonym could Plumber - he'll never know we're talking about him!
I think he would greatly benefit from an extra year in charge of the offense. Between developing his ability to read defenses and honing in his decision-making (i.e. don't always turn your back to blitzing defenders--that would be akin to the death sentence in NFL), I think he should keep demonstrating his cannon arm to the pro's and work on his finer qb'ing skills. His future is very bright.
I totally agree. There is such a strong correlation between quarterbacks playing out their eligibility in college and going on to have long successful careers. He obviously is a good leader already but he could learn so much if he came back for his senior season. Plus, he will technically only have about one and a half seasons under his belt at that point.
He should be the #1 qb by the end of the season, definitely after the combine.
the consensus seems to be Teddy Bridgewater has the best shot of unseating Clowney for the #1 overall pick because he's a franchise QB material.
This year QB class looks to be LOADED with quality QB prospects like Teddy Bridgewater, Tajh Boyd, Marcus Mariota, Brent Hundley, Stephen Morris, etc. IMO, Teddy, Boyd, Mariota and maybe Hundley are 1st round material. I don't see Devin being ranked ahead of them (maybe Hundley since he's a RS soph) especially they're all more polished passer than Devin and can run.
I think Devin had a much higher ceiling than those guys, he's just more of an unknown at this point. I don't think he'll go, though. I honestly think he'll stay and finish his grad degree before leaving for the nfl, especially if he feels we have a shot at winning a natty of he does.
is they have room to grow as well. I'd be shocked if he's the top 3 QB taken in the draft to be honest.
How is Miller the #18 draft choice? He's a very good athlete but lacks great speed and isn't the best passer. Maybe a team would take him hoping to get the next Wilson/Kaepernick/RG3 but he can't throw anywhere close to as well as those guys and has a pretty significant history of injury issues.
Hopefully for Michigan fans, Gardner takes Tom Brady's words to heart and comes back to be elected captain next year and win another Big10 title.
I would say he has excellent speed. I'd put him in the second round.
I was thinking the same thing as well. Braxton's a great athlete, but doesn't have that NFL arm. Plus you don't see any Urban Meyer QB's tearing up the NFL, Alex Smith is debatable.
Miller as 18? Seems kind of a stretch considering he doesn't have an NFL position at this point. NFL loves potential and Gardner oozes it, so I could buy it at 15, but I don't think any franchise tabs him as the future with a high round draft pick at this point. Keep up the performances like ND throughout the year, and I could totally buy it.
I agree. Gardner has great potential and great physical abilities but listen to anyone that knows anything about quarterbacking and they'll tell you how much of it is mental. Without looking at the stats I think he's still throwing an interception per game... I know he's got 3 already this year. There's no questioning the physical abilites or his ceiling but he needs to time to get experience and learn how to cut down on his miscues. ...maybe that happens in one full season as the starter but I think he'd be wise to stick around for 2. It'll only help him in the long run.
I'm sorry, but if he's projected to be a first round pick, there is too much recent evidence to show that he would be risking far more staying than going.
NFL teams seems so desparate to find their franchise QB that you always see questionable QBs get taken in th 1st and 2nd rounds
Devin is the epitome of small sample size and projection bias. Look, I love him, and would like nothing better than for this to be true, because it would mean a great year (at least) in store for us. But the only team that really game planned for him is ND (SC and OSU likely dd some, but that was complicated by the fact that Denard was here and they had to plan for both QB's potentially and in a different offense). Devin had a great game, and I assume will tear it up the next few games. But until he replcates this perfrormance against another couple of excellent defenses (MSU first obvs) that plan exclusively for him, the hype is getting ahead of itself.
Nothing to read here Devin. Here enjoy some pictures.
...Are we allowed to enjoy the pictures too?
Assuming the NFL interest remains very high, it may end up coming down to how well the team does this season. Clearly Lewan had something to return for, but if we win the Big Ten championship and get a nice BCS bowl bid--maybe even Rose--then I am not sure Devin would have much reason to return.
Natty next year?? (a man can hope)
We should have a great team, the biggest thing we would need to do if Devin stays is replace out Tackles. If that is okay, we could be in great shape. The biggest difficultly for making it all the way would be the schedule, as we have Ohio St., Notre Dame and Michigan St. on the road next year.
no problem - we got that
ND loses something like half of their team to graduation.
Notre Dame loses it's Dline and doesn't have much to replace it right now. MSU loses most of it's defense and their offense will still be terrible. Ohio loses 4/5 starters on it's o line and a chunk of it's secondary. We lose both our tackles, Gallon, Dileo and Washington. That's just off the top of my head.
Our offense might not be as good next year as this year over all but, our defense should be overpowering. If it isn't we've had some recruiting busts
We also lose Toussaint. If Gardner leaves, it could be a rebuilding year next year, especially given all the road trips we have to make.
A man can fantasize
or just be a Bama fan
Back to back? Oh, snap. I said it.
Braxton Miller at 18? Must be the Tebow success.
stays even if he has a great year. Something about him makes me think he really loves the team and the college game.
I'd love to see him as our 4th Heisman, but all things being equal, take the money.
He should go. Already has his degree.
I've heard that the Master of Social Work Program is a two year program.
And on top of this, you REALLY need a master's in that field if you want to go for social work jobs.
Of course, he could probably earn enough in the NFL to pay for grad school tuition later on.
I'm hoping that he takes a page out of the book of Lewan/Long. Or looks at his jersey and thinks "What Would Tom Harmon Do", the answer to which would clearly be stay for a fourth year (unless the US needed him to fly planes and stuff).
and "lost" money. Barkley was thought to be a 1st round pick but stayed and ended up as a 4th round pick. You take the money if you're projected as a 1st round pick.
But he could also pull an Andrew Luck, and stay up towards the top. I'll agree though, it's likely in his best interest to go after this year. That doesn't mean I'm not cheering for a fourth year though.
a lot of difference between a top 5 pick and the rest of the first round, so he could also improve his status. I guess if someone said they were going to draft him in the top five it would be an easier decision.
Yep, as much as I would hate to see him go you are right. As a QB you are scrutinized to such a high degree that if at any point during your college career you are projected as a 1st Rounder and you are draft eligible, the smart decision is to take the money and go. Your stock will almost certainly fall because of a bad game or two the next year and the risk for injury is too high.
Why does no one want to hear this? I think if Devin realistically plays himself into the first round, then UM is probably performing at a level that we're looking at a B1G championship. I think most would be happy with that.
I bet Devin in the offseason would make Manziel look like a choirboy.
(Unbelievably huge /s here if not obvious)
Is a proxy, you are correct. I think be needs more than 1 and change years as a QB, but if Gardner puts up the type if numbers to go that high in the draft, we will have an awesome year.
Is there an argument for Devin as the #1 overall QB in this class? I think so.
Teddy is more accurate, has better mechanics, and throws a better touch pass, but Devin is a little bit bigger, a better runner, and has a stronger arm. His accuracy and mechanics have gotten much better since he first took over and he still only has seven starts under his belt. Devin also has those lanky arms (like Colin K.) which make his play-fakes look more convincing. I think Devin has more potential than Teddy or Boyd, with those guys being more polished.
I think he has the potential, but he has to hone up his decision making if he wants to be #1 overall. I think he could if he stuck around next year and improved his reads/lessened mistakes. 3 interceptions (almost 4) in two games is too many if he wants to be the top overall pick.
Should have thrown decision making in there as well. Devin still has made at least one very bad decision in every start so far so he needs to improve in that regard as well. Staying one more season will help him improve there. If he stays one more year he will enter the 2014 season as the top QB prospect. Of course, that only leads to everyone picking your game apart like crazy so it isn't always the best position to be in lol.
Teddy's arm is stronger. The ball comes off his hands with more velocity than Devin.
I know I'm on a Michigan blog, but the bias in this thread is ridiculous. If Devin keeps up this pace, he should absolutely go to the NFL after this season. Think about this:
1) Devin already has his degree. This will not keep him in Ann Arbor. I know he loves his teammates and the University, but with Gallon, Lewan and Schofield all graduating, he might feel it is his time to go as well (although I hope not).
2) If he stays healthy, he will have 17 (hopefully 18) starts under his belt. Now that our offense mirrors many current NFL offenses, he will have enough experience to warrant being a first round pick.
3) His physical tools are phenomenal. Tall, mobile, accurate. He needs to work on footwork and arm strength, but those can be improved through hard work. He has the genetics needed to be a star QB.
4) His mental tools are also outstanding. Devin is a really bright guy. He already has command of the playbook, and I believe he has free reign to audible when he wants. There might not be much more for him to learn with another year going against defenses like Akron and Indiana.
If Devin's draft stock is high enough, he should strike while the iron is hot. We've seen what can happen when you stay that extra year after having a great one (Leinart lost millions when he passed up leaving to take ballroom dancing; Matt Barkley and Landry Jones come to mind as recent QBs who stayed one year too long). I would love nothing more to get another year of Devin Gardner, but I'm preparing for him to leave after this year. And I will be very happy for him if he finds himself in that situation.
unless we win the NC this year. He knows we will have an incredible defense in 2014 with 5 star recruits fighting for playing time behind experienced 4 star starters. Gardener can easily take out a multi-million dollar insurance policy to mitigate the risk of injury. With an experienced interior line and plenty of quality depth, plus elite running backs, experienced athletic tight ends and tall fast receivers, Devin will command an elite offense. Damn the tough away games, he will think, BRING IT ON IN 2014! Devin will want to be part of the first bona fide college football championship playoff.
Now do Gardner.
/just annoyed to have seen three mis-spelling's (in one day) of the name of the QB of the University of Michigan Football Team. Devin Gardner.
Wishful thinking. Losing both tackles, RB, and favorite target is difficult to overlook.
and are an opinion of what they think of the quality of Devin as a prospect. What matters more is what the NFL GMs think
The 2 QBs (Louisville Clemson) go top 2 - for all the Clowney love, you take the QB over a DE if they are even near talent. I am not saying Boyd is the 2nd best talent but there is so much desperation for talented QBs he has to go #2 or if not there, top 4 if #2, #3 already have young QBs. Mathews of A&M and Lewan should challenge for the top T in the draft. Devin I hope stays, it seems like he waited a long time to get this position so leaving after 1 year and 5 games of starter seems to not fit with his master plan but if the kid runs up to a top 10-15 prospect overall it would be difficult to stay. 2014 will have a talented UM team but with almost every rough game on the road. 2015 completely opposite - more tough schedule but almost every tough game at home.
It depends on Mariota and Hundley intention to declare. If one of them declares, they vault into top 5-10 pick. Words is Hundley is looking to declare after this season if things goes well. Some prefer both QBs over Teddy but that is normal for most scouts because QB is subjective and is very team specific.
If I am not mistaken, this is the full list here -
In here, the positionand team distribution of these picks - which I always find interesting - is:
CB - 5
DE - 3
DT - 5
LB - 9
OG - 3
OT - 6
QB - 9
RB - 3
S - 3
WR - 5
Some of the most prominent instances of teams will not shock anyone - Alabama has five on the list, Notre Dame has three, as do Ohio State, Oregon and Texas A&M. Baylor, Clemson, Florida State, Louisville, Michigan, Michigan State, Stanford, Tennessee and UCLA all have two representatives.
I think and hope Devin pulls a Peyton Manning and stays for his senior year and develops into a #1 pick. He loves this school, probably take out a huge insurance policy and compete for a heisman and championships. Hoke has done a great job bringing in guys who love this university and what it stands for, and that's what led a guy like Lewan to come back. Remember, the vols won the national title the year after Peyton left...
Did Hoke bring Lewan and Gardner into the program?
Anyone think he'd stick around to finish his master's?
Not impossible, but if he was the 16th overall pick he would likely make more money in his signing bonus than he could in a career of social work.
The 16th pick this last year made 4.8 million in his signing bonus, which is equivalent to 48 years of 100k salary (about double your average social worker salary).
Oh, NFL quarterbacks get paid more than social workers? He should definitely go pro early then. Obviously the only relevant consideration here is making as much money as possible in as short a time as possible.
School will always be there. It would be very easy for him to come back after a few years in the league to finish his degree. It's a lot more likely he becomes injured and can never play in the NFL again, than something happens and he can never be a social worker again. It's a big gamble for something that would be there whether or not he finishes his masters program next year or in ten years.
The way Gardner talks I imagine he might truly want to stay and finish his program and get his MSW. Would be hard to argue against being #16 overall and for all we know he may even move up the board over the course of the year. However, if he stays one more year he will undoubtedly a top 5 pick next year with a masters degree and possibly more!! (Heisman/championships)
I have to say, with the way greener QBs get drafted early and well-scouted guys tend to drop, I wouldn't argue if Gardner wanted to go pro. He's obviously a smart guy and I think he'll seriously look at the NFL draft advisory report. It's gonna be a tough choice for him. A guy like Sanchez went high and he only started one season. Some would argue that had he stayed another year, maybe he gets drafted later but maybe another year of coaching means he sticks around in the nfl longer.
I like to think Devin will stay. He didn't get that redshirt for nothing.
But he got drafted into a good situation in Miami (with his old HC being the Miami OC), so there's a chance RT will work out. The NFL is all about fit, so hopefully DG will get drafted into the right fit, wherever he's at.
That list was done by Andy Staples and that guy is an idiot. (I have used much harsher language to describe his CFB knowledge before)
he would take you up on that challenge
The good thing for us is this year's QBs class is loaded. If Gardner comes back, I think he'd have a shot at going No. 1 overall in 2015.
it would be better for Devin to not get drafted near the top. If he goes real early, the odds are very good that he's going to be drafted by a horrible, inept franchise that has no OL, no running game, and no defense. Starting out your QB career in that circumstance can kill things before you ever get a chance to prove your ability.
It worked out pretty well for Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, RGIII, and (to an extent), Matthew Stafford.
Manning us transcendent. He's once in a lifetime. Andrew luck came to a team where he was the major missing piece. Stafford is good but without Calvin the story changes. Plus they sucked forever. RG3,verdict is still out unless he can prove he can do it when defenses expect it.
I think DG, of all people, knows that no matter the success that he has this season, another year of training and leadership is needed for him to succeed in the NFL. He's still raw, but is just such a great athlete it doesn't look like it. He'll get great advice from guys like Tom Brady, who will tell him that flaws don't go over well in the NFL. Devin is smart, but he's also humble, and he'd not going to be one to over estimate his development. Add to that the talent building up around him, his role as mentor to Shane Morris, and the opportunity to lead Michigan into to first every CFB Playoff, and I would be shocked if he didn't come back for his 5th year.
When do we start hanging the "Please Stay #98" billboards/banners around AA?
Wheatley was ready to go to the NFL his JR year, I'm not sure DG is. I'd rather him be 100% ready and have a long productive career in the NFL than leave early get a payday, go to a crappy team and have a short jacked up career. DG does have a ton of potential, he could be great but most NFL teams throw rookie QB'S to the lion (Last years rookie QB success was extremely rare as in it's never happend before).
I'll think he'll stay unless something crazy happens like we win the National championship and DG wins the heisman and I don't think either one of those will happen this year without some minor miracles.
Is rolling this week, whew!
Now I know what it was like here when Tate Forcier killed ND and was on ESPN's Heisman ballot.
Now I remember what it was like after Denard Denarded ND @ ND.
Guys, relax until November...seriously. Go undefeated and beat MSU in similar fashion and then go nuts. It'll still be early (the draft will still be like 7 months away)...but at least it'll "crazed fan early" rather than a complete fucking joke.
He better jump soon. This dual threat quarterback stuff in the NFL will go the way of the soccer style kicker.
He better jump soon. This dual threat quarterback stuff in the NFL will go the way of the soccer style kicker.
Go home NFL, you're drunk
It's SI's opinion, not NFL. NFL's opinion will be far different than what you see from draft websites.
does that make him NFL ready? One more year is in his best intererest. Heck, He hasn't even gotten through this year.
For my best interest.
If he continues to play this way the whole season, then he certainly should go pro; another year will just mean more poking and prodding by evaluators and, likely, a drop as they find more "flaws" with his game. Plus, next year he would be without both tackles, his favorite target in Gallon and safety valve in Dileo, and who knows how the offense will look with talented but young players moving into key spots
I suspect, though, that he'll have some issues as the season progresses, normal growing pains in the position, and the draft order will drop somewhat as a result. Plus, simply being listed as the #16 pick doesn't mean you'll be taken #16; look at last year's first 5 picks to see teams drafting based on need more than the best available. I'm obviously happy if Gardner comes back, but I also wouldn't begrduge him leaving if he feels it is best (he has his degree already). After two games, though, I'm not going to get too worked up about a couple of mock drafts.
As another poster pointed out, at this point it looks like we scored an 11 point victory over a team with two of the top 10 defensive line with a very, very, young but talented line. Many of our former qbs, and perhaps the greatest in NFL history, would have probably suffered due to lack of mobility against this tandem and their always charging lbers that the ND DC favors. However, Devin's mobility is going to allow, imo, this young offensive line to gel as the year wears on, thereby putting us in a far better position come November. We all know what Lewan said about Braden's ability-and he along with other kids, equally young- will get some clean up duty prior to November which will definitely pay off for that month and next year's squad. *There are always issues, but our relatively weak schedule prior to what appears to be a very tough slate of opponents come November should allow for the coaches to focus on the major weaknesses of our young linemen-only time and experience will get them to their ultmate level-and considering that ND is no longer irrelevant proved a lot. Fitz also showed, not just in his tremendous cut at the most favorable time imaginable in that game, but his sheer determination causes me to believe he'll continue to grow tremendously through the remainder of the year. All of the above leads me to believe that our next 5 weeks against opposition other than our scout team is going to prove far more valuable than the extra time allowed coaching by virtue of a bowl selection. I predict this team to be hitting on all 8 by Nov, with the occasional need for adjustment, maybe fine tuning the idle to allow for maximum pickup when gas pedal is matted.
Trying to use a player like Barkley as an example is asinine. Barkley started since his freshman season, IIRC, and was never moved to WR -- If Devin start every game this season (knock on wood) he will have less than 20 starts? Is the NFL really going to take a kid with that little experience? Or, are teams that are interested in him going to advise him to stay in Ann Arbor, work with the QB coach again over the summer, attend the Manning camp one more time, lead your team for your RS Senior season, and THEN we'll talk.
I just don't see it. Sure there will be interest, talk, and the lure of big money, but getting drafted and succeeding are two very different things. If Devin wants to prosper in the NFL, and not just grab the money thrown his way, he'll stay. IMO, Trey Burke made a HUGE mistake in leaving -- sure, he's got cash now, but he's not good enough yet to be elite in the NBA.
Obviously, I've never been faced with that kind of decision, but I think Devin will benefit so much from another season as starting QB that its almost a no brainer he returns.
No surprise to me. Thought it was a pipe dream all along. If he ends up anywhere other than LSU, the Miles critics will come out of the woodwork down in Baton Rouge.
and get another year of experience as QB. Could only help him from a football-knowledge point and mechanics. I'm sure Lewan will be in his ear about staying.
If his stock stays or gets better, he would have to leave. Anywhere in the first 2 rounds. If his stock drops, he could benefit to stay.
listed on Todd McShay's updated Top 32 list (insider link):
But Stephen Morris from Miami (YTM) is #28. Having watched both players, I can honestly say that I have no idea what Mr. McShay is thinking.
...maybe he just wants a bigger sample size. He doesn't have 1 start in his career without an INT either.
I certainly want a bigger sample size, how 1st year QBs have gotten off to hot starts in their career? Forcier and Denard are two in MICHIGAN's recent history.
We should be the one fanbase in the country pumping the breaks until post-MSU game.
Braxton Miller at #18 on anyone's draft board? Seriously?!?