Nick would've said the coaches failed if he felt it, especially in a column. His point is that it was a year where nothing clicked in parallel - you've taken a sentence and placed your own agenda behind it.
Devastating article on UM football
That's the Massblue way.
And columns "opinions"?
one complete game, when a team is not fundamentally sound in any single game, then that is on the coaching staff.
If you truly believe this was on the coaching staff, who then do you suggest lead our football team? In case you have forgotten, Les Miles turned us down, Jim harbaugh turned us down. Who does this leave that would be a good coach for our Michigan football program?
Again only looking at guys with Michigan ties. There are a ton of good coaches out there and Mich has the ability to pay these guys to want to come to Ann Arbor. Stop thinking the guy has to be from the Mich tree. Seemed to work ok for Alabama with Saban and Fisher with FSU. I don't care who it is bring in the browns coach, or bring in Gary Kubiak or anyone else. Mich should be going after guys like this because they can, instead we think that being a Michigan Man is a requirement, when in reality it has turned into a crutch that elimanites a ton of worthy canidates.
I think the core of Nick's opinion is right here:
"The left foot never walked in step with the right for Michigan this season. If one side was up, the other was almost assuredly down – especially over the season’s final two months."
I think we've all known that this team was "out of phase", if you will, and not exactly running on all cylinders all the time. He's also right in that the result last night does not erase the questions, but again, we have figured that out too, I think. I believe Nick - in this sentence in particular - is summarizing thoughts many of us here have had throughout the season.
Does he realize that when you walk, one foot is, indeed, up while the other is down?
I know what he meant, but terrible job of actually expressing it logically.
Seems to me that Baumgardner is being pretty critical of the coaching staff when he says this:
"Brady Hoke’s football team wasn’t good enough this season. His staff wasn’t good enough. His players weren’t good enough. He wasn’t good enough."
I would agree that Nick's opinion piece isn't "devastating" and that MLive hardly carries any weight from a journalistic standpoint.
by ourselves. Nick is quite a decent writer--better sentence structure and bigger vocabulary than Angelique (of whom I am fond), for example. And he's laying it on the line, including in trying to puncture some of the myths that hold sway here. This team is in a bad way, and everyone here has been maniacally focused on Borges as the culprit. That's just not the case. In fact, if you look at what DG accomplished (as an Mlive reader notes--see below), you might say that Borges overachieved under the circumstances.
No one will be surprised if Borges is made the sacrificial lamb here, but that's not going to fix the problem. The defense has been the bigger problem in the last part of the season and Hoke--nice guy that he is--is not getting results. It is going to be a long time before Michigan returns to pre-eminence in football, and I have little faith that it will be under Hoke. Brandon hired these guys and is invested in them, and will be very slow to do the right thing here. Michigan football is not in good hands.
This is what DG accomplished with one of UM worst O-lines ever!!!
Devin Gardener (Mr 75% of the offense) Stats:
2013 Big Ten 2960 (2nd)
2013 Big Ten 208 (2nd)
2013 Big Ten 11 (4th)
Passing Efficiency Rating
2013 Big Ten 146.1 (2nd)
2013 Big Ten 3443 (2nd)
Total Yards Per Play
2013 Big Ten 6.8 (1st)
2013 Big Ten 32 (1st)
We cannot sugar coat the obvious. This is a talent laden team albeit young that under achieved. Had this team be coached some of the better coaches in the country, we would be looking at a much different record. I hope my of our recruits did not watch the game.
KSU was far superior yesterday and at no time after the KSU first TD did I believe Michigan was going to win the game. Even the announcers were lamenting the state of Michigan football.
If it is true that Brandon has said as long as he is AD Hoke will be his coach then it may well be Brandon tenure as AD is short lived.
Obviously, if this program continues to faulter Hoke is out of a job.
Well said, devastating is JoePa looking the other way at sex abuse. Devastating is Tressel covering on Tatgate. Devastating is nerd rage. Devastating is hoping "he doesn't fire me". Devastating is Josh f'n Groban.
In this instance the team didn't achieve its goals and Baumgardner's work, while appropriately critical, holds hardly the weight OP gives it.
Next Mass will link an Ace Williams article? Srsly.
Isn't just the name of a very good Cranberries song.
Back in 2006-2007, you were defending the elite status of our program. Scoffing at the notion of us becoming the next Notre Dame. Using asterisks unwisely, if not foolishly. Encapsulating made-up words like *cocksure* to describe the superiority complex that UM sports somehow gave you over your fellow realtors.
Well listen, you *cocksure* prick: You stupid f*ck who used to begin his posts with "Dear Friends" and talk to people like they knew nothing about the direction of the program. Screw you for knowing nothing and always talking like you do. Our program sucks because of non-demanding jerk-off's like you who think -- well, don't think about anything about what they're spoon fed.
Let me boil it down for you: if my friends ever took my last name and added an "ie" at the end, and I embraced it because maybe I played high school hockey or rugby in Canada, then sold some real estate but pretended to be something else, well then just have someone shoot me. Because at that point, I would have realized that I was just one, giant douchebag with one never ending bad opinion.
This is you Mr. Clark. And f*ck you for supporting my team. Your support has been, will always be, a detriment.
Haha don't really agree with either you or Clarkie regarding the state of the program or underlying explanations, but that's a hilarious post.
I'm sure you have an existing account on here and created another one just to get these feelings about Clarkie off your chest semi-anonymously, but if not...
Let me boil it down for you:
In 2009 the great David Cone rapped: "If the haters don't hate you then you're doing something wrong".
Thanks for the validation, legend.
You claim to be a graduate of the University of Michigan, yet you're apparently unaware that the word "cocksure" has been in usage in the English language since at least the 1500s. In addition, your use of "encapsulating" makes no sense within the context.
Thing is, he did. Quote: "[Hoke's] staff wasn't good enough. [Hoke's] players weren't good enough. [Hoke] wasn't good enough."
Your interpretation of the columnists point is no more complete than the OP's.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
it does not try to sugar coat how poorly this team played all year. It is devasting because this coaching staff prides itself in teaching fundamentals and they failed miserably.
I think you overestimate how much people care about mlive.
and you know for a fact they are not teaching these kids correct? my problem is still half the team that is starting are richrod players , why hoke and mattison persist with this I will never know they are not as talented as the group of players he is bringing in, i have noticed signs of improvement in the playters hoke recruited, i just dont think the ones rich rod recruited are very talented no matter how much you try and teach them, talent will show when there is some and rich rods players were always to small for the big, the only bad thing about the coaching staff is borges play calling which has set the offense up for failure all year no matter who was out there, so i agree on this one borges has been terrible but lets not call out the whole staff just yet lets wait until hokes players are all playing and we can officially put richrod out of here, just my two cents
Are you serious with this opinion? For God's sake, don't you think the coaches play who they believe are the most talented players, whether they are "rich rods" or not? And your opinion that rich rods players are "too small" is not just your opinion--it is a conclusive fact that you are wrong, not that you hold a different opinion, but wrong, without foundation or rationale. Do you not realize that the three best players on offense this year (Lewan, Gallon, Devin) are "rich rods" players? That the best player on defense (and more) are? Sigh....
richrod is still (apparently) losing games for us. When will he let go?
The "1976" says it all.
with RR players in 2011! I think the problem is in 2011 Mattison had a lot more upper class-men, while there was a void in upper class-men and depth that began in 2009 and lasted through 2011. What happened to all those seniors? We'll just have to wait til the 2012 class is seniors before we make a final decision on Mattison. Unless he gets frustrated and just decides to retire, which I think he may be planning to do.
On the offhand chance that this wasn't a rhetorical question:
- Cullen Christian is at Pitt.
- Ray Vinopal is at Pitt.
- Ricardo Miller is at Massachusetts.
- Carvin Johnson is at Hampton.
- Antonio Kinard is at Arizona Western Community College and has offers from USC, Miami, Arizona and Arizona State.
- D. J. Williamson is on the track team at Akron.
- Demar Dorsey is with the Arizona Rattlers.
- Cornelius Jones left Marshall--I think he's out of football but I don't know for sure.
- Davion Rogers left Youngstown State (academics, presumably), was recently a shooting victim. The alleged perpetrator is in custody.
- Austin White was on probation, last I heard.
- Jerald Robinson was having some legal difficulties in my old stomping grounds of Lorain County. Haven't heard anything recently.
- Don't know about Kenny Wilkins, the Talbott brothers, Christian Pace or Stephen Hopkins. I'm pretty sure Hopkins was finishing his degree at Michigan--anyone know anything about the others?
- The ten guys still on the team (eleven if you count Hagerup) you already know.
And that's the senior class. Did I miss anybody?
Yet Hoke's best season by far at Michigan was accomplished using a line-up consisting entirely of Rich Rod's players. Your post is the virtual definition of intellectual dissonance.
Hoke has gotta shake up his staff. After a month, much less a bye week, we looked lost on both sides of the ball. Once a team took away what was working there were never adjustments.
Maybe he could fire himself!
and it worked out great for him. Hoke needs to locate his balls and do the same. We're hurting
There is no toughness on this team at all. This has been a bend and break defense all year. With Hoke putting emphasis on coaching fundamentals and technique we certainly didn't see any of that on the field this year. I get that we are young but we should see progression throughout the year not regression.
Gardner would disagree with your assessment of toughness.
While I agree with you about Gardner, my point was physicality on the field. This team lacked physical toughness all year.
Meh, this reeks of "feelingsball" to me. I get that the team underperformed, but I'm tired of relative outsiders complaining about a "lost lockerroom" and "failing to do the little things" as if listening to Herm Edwards and Lou Holtz waxing poetic about footbaw back in the 1970s and 1980s is the Rosetta Stone for understanding the game.
I do think the team had major holes this year, and some of them fall on the coaches and players. They were not close to winning 10 games, or the conference, and I often said they could have had a losing season if not for close wins against Akron, NW, and UConn. At the same time, they were a play away from beating PSU and OSU, and Nebraska, and with a bit of luck could have escaped with a win against Iowa. It was a mediocre team that played like one, but also a young-ish team that played below its talent level. Sometimes that happens, and more times than not the team improves the following season at the very least incrementally, which in this team's case could get them to 9 wins despite the schedule.
It was a crappy end to a crappy season, but all of this gnashing of teeth and talk of a "dumpster fire" on twitter is just reactionary bullcrap.
Actually in situations like this the improvement in the following season is often more than incremental. Just as this year seemed like a perfect storm where everything failed at once next year could go in the opposite direction with a number of things coming together. You see teams make those kinds of major jumps every year. It could happen with Michigan as the team moves in one season from young to having a more normal percentage of upperclassmen.
It's easy to write pieces like that after a game like last night. In fact it sounds more like a couple of paragraphs of simple rant than any kind of thoughtful summary.
Hoke does look lost, Borges does look stubborn, Mattison does seems to have regressed, and the players look talented but lost. Even to the casual observer of the season, something seems amiss, a fire has been quenched. This whole seasons leaves one with a question mark. It is just beffudling.
The only hope we have is that Hoke does not look lost next year, but that he someohow takes the ship by the wheel and navigates it perfectly through the season (because he is not getting fired). That Borges and Mattison work out their issues, and that the team looks talented not just physically but mentally. Maybe something "clicks" during the offseason. It has happened before, worst to first and all that. But honestly that is the only hope I have at the moment. There is little to convince me that next year won't be another mediocre year that ends with the departure of Hoke or Brandon and Hoke and a lot more pain and suffering as we lement what we once were.
to do the chicken little/handwringing/panties bunched whine on the internet than to have any perspective about a game, a season, a program.
We're entitled to 14-0 seasons every year. DAMMIT! Anything less is abject failure! Heads must roll!
The schedule next year is not a tough schedule. Yes it is unfortunate our toughest games next year are away and we do not have any rivals coming to the Big House but, let's be honest, the Big Ten is not a Murderer's Row. We play in a pretty terrible conference who could lose all its games this bowl season and it seems like we are not going to be able to take advantage.
It isn't an SEC slate, but going to ND, MSU, and OSU all in the same year isn't a cakewalk, and playing a Utah team that beat Stanford and could be decent next year makes it a more difficult schedule than, say, what Louisville played against.
It's not a devastating article. A devastating article would describe how Coach Hoke looked the other way while players took illegal benefits, skipped practice, sold the adrenaline glands of lemurs to school children, etc. This is just a summary of what we all saw.
The problem is that they were selling the adrenal glands of school children to lemurs. That's just unacceptable.
Exactly. This is an opinion piece. No journalist's opinion is devastating to a football program.
and the coach is "not from here."
I seriously doubt anyone cares about a mlive article.
Well, now that the AANews remnants are there (including Baumgardner), it's not exactly the MLive of old...
Not only did we look unprepared but I just didn't see the fight and grit you expect to see out of a young hungry team. We dont adjust to anything the other team is doing during the game or after the half.
I hope last night finally put all the Gmatt apologist to bed. The defense has been just as clueless and pathetic as the offense. Something is seriously wrong with this team and its not youth.
that they only scored 10 after the half, and 7 was after the long INT return (IIRC). Some might call that an adjustment. But don't let that interrupt your doomsaying.
Eventually you have to take the maize and blue glasses off to see things how you should. We're a pretty bad football team and last night did nothing to change it. If anything it reinforced it.
I can't believe you are actually trying to defend Mattison this morning. Lockett dropped a sure fire TD in the second half. The adjustment would have been to double cover him after he burned us the first few times, not leave him alone on a deep ball yet again. KSU's walk-on kicker missed a makeable FG in the second half. What adjustment did Mattison make to force that miss? And, they fumbled inside Michigan's 40 yard line in the second half after gashing our defense on yet another run play up the middle. Not to mention that Snyder had clearly called off the dogs with a large lead and a classier attitude than most college coaches these days. Heck, they could have easily tacked on more points at the end of the half if they were so inclined.
Michigan forced exactly one punt the entire game. Don't talk to me about defensive adjustments.
What did they do after halftime?
I've never been a fan of Nick Baumgardner (for starters, my 10 year old spends more time on grammar) but that quote rings true to me. If I look back on all the games this year, there were only a few with confident, consistent football. Other than that, there was a lot of struggling. A lot of scrambling at the end of games. Why go on? We all saw the same games. We sat there last night, watching the game, and my husband would call K-State's plays ("they're going to throw to Lockett" was one he repeated many times) yet our secondary wasn't prepared. Why, my husband asked, do I know this and they don't? Why no adjustments? It's the same arguments from game 6 on, no need to repeat here. But I can't disagree with the gist of the article.
his outside leg further back, he is pass blocking. That's not a revelation.
He is correct. You, on the other hand, not knowing that, show your lack of football knowledge.
I think the point was, if he and everyone else knows, why doesn't our backfield know, and more importantly, why don't they know how to properly defend those very obvious plays?
Exactly. That's called execution. Hoke and Co. catch a lot of flack for their 'execution' meme but most of the time they are correct. There is so much film on every major team in America that their aren't really any secrets out their. The top teams execute week in, week out because they are out in a position to succeed. I am not sure you can say that about this staff.
Only in your dreams
It is funny, cause a few years back he was dead to everyone here after his academic comments, now he is Nick Saban and Bo in one dude. He seems like a guy who might have a long memory.
Still dead to me.
He's not coming. Honestly why do people think he's going to the NFL period?!?
didn't look like they had been coached at all. Cam Gordon blows contain on a 3rd down scramble. Frank Clark leaves an open gap. Desmond Morgan doesn't cover the FB and give up a huge play. Countess and Taylor are 2-yr starters and were juked badly by Lockett. These guys didn't come prepared. Mattison has proven himself in the past and last two years, so WTF happened with those guys last night?
On offense, the only cure is coaching changes.
Looking forward to 2014. It can't be worse than the plague we suffered this year.
One thing I have learned in life, it can ALWAYS get worse.
Your optimism is contagious.
2015 is going to be great, guys!
No spread transition players & OL will be awesome.
Honest question about Hoke.....been stated numerous times he is hands off with the offense.....fine whatever.
However, he has also stated numerous times he is a DL guy and he spends a lot of his time there and with that said my question is....Why has there been zero improvement from that group this year when the HC is a self professed DL guy himself.
If our HC can't get his preferred position group up to snuff why would anyone think he could bring a team together in that same breath?
There has been improvement from the defensive line if you know what you're looking at and being undersized at DT hasn't helped. Pipkins injury hurt big time and like I said the d line did improve if you watched it through out the season.
Where was the improvement? Certainly not in pass rush or run defense.
Michigan averaged 5.5 tackles for loss per game. Michigan State averaged 6.2. Alabama averaged 5.2.
Michigan recorded 25 sacks on the season for an average of 1.9 per game. Michigan State recorded 31 sacks for an average of 2.3 per game. Alabama recorded 18 sacks for an average of 1.5 per game.
Also Michigan finished 28th on the season in Rush Defense for yards allowed. We can all probably agree that Alabama and Michigan State have elite defenses, no?
Where this defense got torched was in the pass game - #61 in YPG allowed and 12.28 YPC average is pretty bad. Scoring defense was also a dismal #64 giving up 26.5 PPG.
Death to feelingsball.
Rather than some cherry picked stats - these tell the tale of what we already knew from watching the season.
|3RD DOWN CONV %||71||0.394|
|4TH DOWN CONV %||46||0.583|
|FEWEST PENALTIES PER GAME||9||4.000|
|FEWEST PENALTY YARDS||10||34.1|
|FIRST DOWN OFFENSE||74||0.251|
|PASS SACKS ALLOWED||106||2.920|
|PASSING OFFENSE YPG||43||252.1|
|PASSING YARDS PER COMPLETION||14||14.2|
|RED ZONE OFFENSE||49||0.849|
|TACKLES FOR LOSS ALLOWED||123||9.1|
|TIME OF POSSESION||28||31.0|
|3RD DOWN CONV %||52||0.383|
|4TH DOWN CONV %||24||0.400|
|FIRST DOWN DEFENSE||28||0.234|
|PASSING YARDS ALLOWED||61||228.0|
|RED ZONE DEFENSE||88||0.854|
|TACKLES FOR LOSS||85||5.500|
It turns out that my selection of Alabama and Michigan State for those two stats (TFL and Sacks) was a horrible choice. They are both equally bad at the two. So we aren't good by relation to those two programs. Stat fail....
From the website -
The Fremeau Efficiency Index (FEI) considers each of the nearly 20,000 possessions every season in major college football. All drives are filtered to eliminate first-half clock-kills and end-of-game garbage drives and scores. A scoring rateanalysis of the remaining possessions then determines the baseline possession efficiency expectations against which each team is measured. A team is rewarded for playing well against good teams, win or lose, and is punished more severely for playing poorly against bad teams than it is rewarded for playing well against bad teams.
Offensive and Defensive S&P+; F/+ Rankings
Success Rate: A common Football Outsiders tool used to measure efficiency by determining whether every play of a given game was successful or not. The terms of success in college football: 50 percent of necessary yardage on first down, 70 percent on second down, and 100 percent on third and fourth down.
EqPts Per Play (PPP): An explosiveness measure derived from determining the point value of every yard line (based on the expected number of points an offense could expect to score from that yard line) and, therefore, every play of a given game.
Drive Efficiency: As of February 2013, S&P+ also includes a drive-based aspect based on the field position a team creates and its average success at scoring the points expected based on that field position.
Opponent adjustments: Success Rate and PPP combine to form S&P, an OPS-like measure for football. Then each team's S&P output for a given category (Rushing/Passing on either Standard Downs or Passing Downs) is compared to the expected output based upon their opponents and their opponents' opponents. This is a schedule-based adjustment designed to reward tougher schedules and punish weaker ones.
Here are the rushing numbers of our opponents this season -
Ohio State is the #3 rushing offense in the country in YPG FWIW with an average YPC of 7.03
Can you elaborate? If you know what you're looking at, what's the improvement? Is the improvement something that can be supported by statistics, or is it something else? Just curious.
The last 9 seasons we have won 59% of our games.
Let's face it, we are not elite. Everything Bo built back up (after Sparty was dominant in the 60s) has been or is being destroyed. If not for Beilein's run to the championship game last year would there be any reason for hope? Kids in junior high right now know Michigan more as a good basketball school and a mediocre football program.
And it doesn't look like this will end soon.
Certainly not under the current regime.
Remember how everyone wanted to run Carr out of town because he wasn't good enough?
Remember when the Michigan fanbase was cool with losing? Me, too. I just have to read these forums and all the excuses made for it.
Under Carr, we won 75% of our games and never went worse than 5-3 in conference, so I wouldn't describe his tenure as a "losing" one.
I suppose that if you are okay with averaging three losses a year he was your guy. His teams had 3 or more losses in 10 of the 13 seasons he coached Michigan. These were not like Michigan teams from the RR and Hoke eras either. Go back and look at the rosters on his teams and they were littered with NFL talent, usually starting in the top 10, if not top 5 to start a season. Somehow though his teams still averaged three losses a season. That is what was so very frustrating about Carr.
it looked like Carr was losing his grip on the program? I sure do. The transistion from him to RichRod doesn't help his case any.
I would rather kids know Michigan as a world class research university than as a football or basketball school.
“I think just a lot of guys lost the will to play as a family,” Clark said at 11:57. “Honestly.”
way better article than the nick rant. Kansas state was a team not playing for their individual nfl stock to rise but a committed team playing a coherent philosophy. michigan...well...kinda seemed like gardner was tickled they were getting dominated as per his pep talk with morris. but really, that apathy seemed to be running through many players last night. wasn't about winning...seemed like some guys felt like it was devin's team moreso than the coaching staff's. just my feeling, though.
spielman gets troll of the year award with that performance. if anyone watched the whole game he kept a solid pace (despite his inevitable weird, barely containable passionate outbursts about fluid running) and absolutely trashed the team by the fourth quarter, particularly lewan.
from the team than it has showed. I have no issue with his criticism. Spielman played Michigan at it's peak. This Michigan program hasn't been at a peak since 2006.
This program is soft, undisciplined, and lazy. That is hard to say, but it is true. Marshmellow Michigan.
In 2005, 2006, 2007 how many threads did we have to sit through with titles like "Michigan needs a new Carr" etc. with the exact same sentiments about softness, lack of discipline, crapping on Lloyd etc.
Not sure what the answer is here but I don't see the cavalry coming in terms of some magic coaching hire vs. another year to see if Hoke/Mattison/some offensive coordinator and their recruits working it out.
Spielman takes little potshots at Michigan all the time, and then he'll say something like "Brady Hoke isn't going to stand for that." Then more potshots. He's an Ohio State Buckeye, and he broadcasts like one. I loved him as a Lion, but I would be happy if he never broadcasted another Michigan game.
I didn't have a problem with his commentary during this game. The "little potshots" he took at Michigan last night seemed warranted to me.
But I've heard Chris call a lot of games and he will be critical (what you are calling potshots) of teams when he thinks they are doing something wrong, but he will also give praise when it is deserved. And he will make the same kind of comments that he expects the staff to fix this kind of problem or he will be critical and say he can't figure out why they haven't done it. He has made those kind of comments this year about the OSU defense.
As someone else said, he expects more out of Michigan. He grew up in the era of the Big Two, Little Eight and like many of us that did, he wants Michigan to be good because beating Michigan means more. I know not all my Buckeye Brethren believe this and I know there are many on your side that would be happy if OSU never won another football game again, but there are many of us who would like to see two 11-0 teams meet in the last regular season game every year. And Chris Spielman is in that group.
the word "devastating", I do agree and to prove my point AL just called another run up the middle (for a one yard loss), followed by another fucking reverse!
That's what I took away from it. Its easy to put into words the summary of the fiery rollercoaster that was 2013. Its history now, its over. The fans still support the Team, but we need more TeamWork.
I hope every player and coach has a severe distaste for the feeling they got after this season...after all of their team milestones (i had goals but I think they generally played with mental toughness and that's got to be a goal) have been erased, and dedicate themselves to working harder than any other team until the milestones get to stay up on the dry erase board.
This is a period of adversity as we all can plainly see. Going to work every day and hammering away at the fundamentals with passion and energy is the only way I know out of it. Eventually the skills will come, and once you have command of Skills and Fundamentals then you can work on Strategy.
Edit: Devastation in my book is something on the order of a career-ending injury, NCAA violations, unexpected transfers, etc. Not just a newspaper article.
take the necessary leap next year. When was the last time we won a game that we were an underdog in or a game the staff outcoached the opposition. Seems like we are always on the flip side of these scenarios. Where is the statement game that gives you some faith this program is moving in the right direction. I will wait until next year. Those road games against ND, spart, ohio will be all telling and should seal the deal one way or another. Til then, Spring training is right around the corner. Play ball ...
People can make all the good comments they want about Hoke and the team. But this article is reality. And many people don't see it getting any better. There isn't a coach on the team that has improved anyones performance. NONE!.
It's "powers that be". Not "to be".
If Hoke truly cares about this University, he would step down.
All the rhetoric is totally empty.
This program is regressing, and he knows it. He's just not cut out for this.
Would you have called for John Beilein to step down after year three also?
Let's see where Hoke goes from here. Beilein recognized that changes needed to be made and revamped his staff.
I'm not "calling" for anything. I realize that Hoke would never do such a thing.
My point is that he says he loves this place, but ironically his presence is making us worse.
Your post says it all. Great leaders identify weaknesses and make changes. Throughout this whole season, Hoke has made zero adjustments and zero improvements.
Let's see if Hoke does the same.
If he doesn't we know how this is ending.
Agree that we need to give Hoke the chance to rectify what needs rectifying.
However, he's not in John Beilein's class as a head coach. Their respective records prior to coming to Michigan bear that out, but so does listening to their press conferences. You don't have to listen to more than 30 seconds of Beilein to know that here's a guy who is completely on top of things and can speak authoritatively about strategy, tactics, philosophy and anything else you might want to know about his team.
You can listen to a half hour of Brady Hoke and still not be sure exactly what he knows.
It really makes me wonder...how much of that initial Hoke press conference was staged? How much was he coached?
In hindsight, he must have practiced that thing over, and over, and over again and been told authoritatively what to say and how to carry himself.
It's like all of a sudden, as the years have gone on, he's become totally uncooperative, brash and rude to each and every member of the media, all of whom are only trying to do their jobs.
You really see him that way?I feel like he's in over his head and doesn't know what to say.
all we get from hoke is that "we didn't execute". beilein will describe how a defensive breakdown was caused by poor rotation 3 passes ago.
When I lived in New Hampshire, that's what we called the arrogant, obnoxious people from Massachusetts.
That's what I was after. I lived in Boston for a couple years and it was a pet name I held for the residents there as well.
IMO I think this team just doesn't like each other. They don't play for each other at all. If I had to guess I would say the locker room is a mess and when the locker room isn't clicking then your results won't be good. I am sure the gap is the small senior click and all the new and improved talent from the last two years. This of course is just a guess from what I see on the field. As much as I think Lewan is a great player I have my serious doubts about his leadership and character at times.
Or, more likely, this staff from the top down is just bad.
No that just the simple thing people want to pin it on when football teams are terrible like Michigan was. The locker room matters a lot. High character and leadership can go a long way and from what I saw this year I don't think the leaders in the locker room(if there were any) did much of that.
What proof do you have? Your insinuation that the Locker Room is broken is pure conjecture.
Those that deride the staff for the poor job they've done have pretty concrete proof: they've watched the past 13 games.
I don't so that is why I wrote this..
"This of course is just a guess from what I see on the field."
Sometimes good coaches have bad seasons. It happens.
Hoke & his cronies.
Actually, the players vote for the captains.
Agree entirely. Despite all the problems in the late years, I see the start of a culture that would have never been tolerated in the Bo or Lloyd years (Lewans helmet twist, freshman getting into fights on special teams). I guess we wait an see how next year turns out, but I'll be in line at the torch and pitchfork store unless things change dramatically. It's a damn shame when you've got kids like Gardner out there who are prototypical "Michigan Men" leaving so much on the field.
I don't actually know. Bo would have gone ballistic, Carr tossed the transfer papers on the desk. What does Hoke do? Whatever it is, I suspect it won't be public.
When I saw our defensive players hooting and hollering for the cameras after making a tackle on nice gain for K State while we were down big I almost turned the TV off. I've questioned our senior leadership all season long, last night I questioned it all game long.
Nobody will argue that. So let's be glad it's over. And hopefully, we can put all the "world coming to an end because our favorite football struggled" complaining behind us as well.
The team in the trenches on both sides of the ball struggled. And when that happens,it's tough to win ball games. I believe the teams in the future won't struggle as much in these areas.
Therefore, yes. I do still believe in the future of this program.
We, as loyal Michigan fans, have earned the right to express our opinions any way we see fit.
How can an article be devastating?
Free Press Witchhunt.
Did it feel like they were prepared for KSU? No. Unless Lockett is the second coming of Jerry Rice, Michigan's secondary defense was not prepared and looked lost. Moreover, our linebackers filled the wrong gaps and our linemen did not contain the QB.
The reality is that third rate football programs are stronger, more skilled and better coached than us and we are now talking about 6-7 years not one.
However, because of money owed to the coaches and the lack of direction from the AD, it is easier to make excuses. Our players are young. We had injuries. Bad luck. Bad referees. Our kicking game let us down in the PSU OT game. The OSU defender made a great play on the two point conversion. They hit a 61 yard field goal - who does that? If only Joique did not fumble in the snow. If only Stafford did not throw his 20th interception in 5 games.
Same team. Same coaching problems. Same upper management problems.
If we are looking for the word that describes it and we don't want to use devastating then use LIONIZED or SOL - Same Old Lions.
All I know is this. Our players deserve better. From all accounts they are good kids with tons of talent. It is the adults who are letting them down. If you are making millions of dollars per year you should be great at your job. Average or good for $4 million per year is not good enough.
These coaches get paid too damn much in this economy to be doing anything other than win, no excuses.
As the article points out, they never really put it all together this year. We can all speculate why...maybe Jordan Kovacs was the glue that held the defense together and allowed Mattison to take chances...but the reality is that fixing it falls on the coaching staff. Brady knows the heat is on and next year will be critical for him, the coaching staff, and the team. We will find out if he learned the lessons of this season and if he is up to the task to lead the program. If next season is a repeat of 2013, I'm pretty sure Dave B will show him the door because he really will have no choice but to hire a new head coach. Personally, I hope Brady demonstrates he is up to the task. We need some stability. Another reboot of the program will throw everything into chaos again and as we see around here on a daily basis, the fan base probably lacks the patience required for another rebuilding effort.
Well said. Hit the nail on the head. When will this all end?
Hoke and his staff has only shown the ability to prepare the team for OSU. And by prepare i mean get excited for them.
Nick is a decent writer, especially given the state of "journalism" today. The article reads more like venting than analysis, though. And venting isn't exactly devastation. The Daily piece was a bit more in depth but phrases like "ass-kicking" should be in comments sections, not the main article. Then again.. journalism... objectivity.... I digress.
As far as MLive coverage in general....does not begin to compare with articles here.
For the past few years I've enjoyed taking part in the MLive blog for away games, but with the deterioration of our season, the MSU trolls have pretty much destroyed the interaction there. I'll miss some of the regular contributers but it's time to try another liveblog in 2014. I might have to be brave and attempt to join the one here. The whole MSU trolling thing has been somewhat of an educational experience, even at my advanced age I never really understood the extent of their obsession with Michigan. It's a little weird.
While reading it I thought of two things:
1. How old is this guy, and why is his writing so poor? Are half sentences and constant dangling.....good writing, or just his attempt to be clever, with outdated journalism?
2. He doesn't seem to think Michigan is any good, but who does?
1) you can only expect so much from journalists these days, especially online. I was trying to be NICE
2) well, we all have questions, more interested in the answers