Well, now that the AANews remnants are there (including Baumgardner), it's not exactly the MLive of old...
help i've been transported back in time to Jim Tressel's hiring help
Well, now that the AANews remnants are there (including Baumgardner), it's not exactly the MLive of old...
Not only did we look unprepared but I just didn't see the fight and grit you expect to see out of a young hungry team. We dont adjust to anything the other team is doing during the game or after the half.
I hope last night finally put all the Gmatt apologist to bed. The defense has been just as clueless and pathetic as the offense. Something is seriously wrong with this team and its not youth.
that they only scored 10 after the half, and 7 was after the long INT return (IIRC). Some might call that an adjustment. But don't let that interrupt your doomsaying.
Eventually you have to take the maize and blue glasses off to see things how you should. We're a pretty bad football team and last night did nothing to change it. If anything it reinforced it.
I can't believe you are actually trying to defend Mattison this morning. Lockett dropped a sure fire TD in the second half. The adjustment would have been to double cover him after he burned us the first few times, not leave him alone on a deep ball yet again. KSU's walk-on kicker missed a makeable FG in the second half. What adjustment did Mattison make to force that miss? And, they fumbled inside Michigan's 40 yard line in the second half after gashing our defense on yet another run play up the middle. Not to mention that Snyder had clearly called off the dogs with a large lead and a classier attitude than most college coaches these days. Heck, they could have easily tacked on more points at the end of the half if they were so inclined.
Michigan forced exactly one punt the entire game. Don't talk to me about defensive adjustments.
What did they do after halftime?
I've never been a fan of Nick Baumgardner (for starters, my 10 year old spends more time on grammar) but that quote rings true to me. If I look back on all the games this year, there were only a few with confident, consistent football. Other than that, there was a lot of struggling. A lot of scrambling at the end of games. Why go on? We all saw the same games. We sat there last night, watching the game, and my husband would call K-State's plays ("they're going to throw to Lockett" was one he repeated many times) yet our secondary wasn't prepared. Why, my husband asked, do I know this and they don't? Why no adjustments? It's the same arguments from game 6 on, no need to repeat here. But I can't disagree with the gist of the article.
his outside leg further back, he is pass blocking. That's not a revelation.
He is correct. You, on the other hand, not knowing that, show your lack of football knowledge.
I think the point was, if he and everyone else knows, why doesn't our backfield know, and more importantly, why don't they know how to properly defend those very obvious plays?
Exactly. That's called execution. Hoke and Co. catch a lot of flack for their 'execution' meme but most of the time they are correct. There is so much film on every major team in America that their aren't really any secrets out their. The top teams execute week in, week out because they are out in a position to succeed. I am not sure you can say that about this staff.
Only in your dreams
It is funny, cause a few years back he was dead to everyone here after his academic comments, now he is Nick Saban and Bo in one dude. He seems like a guy who might have a long memory.
Still dead to me.
He's not coming. Honestly why do people think he's going to the NFL period?!?
didn't look like they had been coached at all. Cam Gordon blows contain on a 3rd down scramble. Frank Clark leaves an open gap. Desmond Morgan doesn't cover the FB and give up a huge play. Countess and Taylor are 2-yr starters and were juked badly by Lockett. These guys didn't come prepared. Mattison has proven himself in the past and last two years, so WTF happened with those guys last night?
On offense, the only cure is coaching changes.
Looking forward to 2014. It can't be worse than the plague we suffered this year.
One thing I have learned in life, it can ALWAYS get worse.
Your optimism is contagious.
2015 is going to be great, guys!
No spread transition players & OL will be awesome.
Honest question about Hoke.....been stated numerous times he is hands off with the offense.....fine whatever.
However, he has also stated numerous times he is a DL guy and he spends a lot of his time there and with that said my question is....Why has there been zero improvement from that group this year when the HC is a self professed DL guy himself.
If our HC can't get his preferred position group up to snuff why would anyone think he could bring a team together in that same breath?
There has been improvement from the defensive line if you know what you're looking at and being undersized at DT hasn't helped. Pipkins injury hurt big time and like I said the d line did improve if you watched it through out the season.
Where was the improvement? Certainly not in pass rush or run defense.
Michigan averaged 5.5 tackles for loss per game. Michigan State averaged 6.2. Alabama averaged 5.2.
Michigan recorded 25 sacks on the season for an average of 1.9 per game. Michigan State recorded 31 sacks for an average of 2.3 per game. Alabama recorded 18 sacks for an average of 1.5 per game.
Also Michigan finished 28th on the season in Rush Defense for yards allowed. We can all probably agree that Alabama and Michigan State have elite defenses, no?
Where this defense got torched was in the pass game - #61 in YPG allowed and 12.28 YPC average is pretty bad. Scoring defense was also a dismal #64 giving up 26.5 PPG.
Death to feelingsball.
Rather than some cherry picked stats - these tell the tale of what we already knew from watching the season.
|3RD DOWN CONV %||71||0.394|
|4TH DOWN CONV %||46||0.583|
|FEWEST PENALTIES PER GAME||9||4.000|
|FEWEST PENALTY YARDS||10||34.1|
|FIRST DOWN OFFENSE||74||0.251|
|PASS SACKS ALLOWED||106||2.920|
|PASSING OFFENSE YPG||43||252.1|
|PASSING YARDS PER COMPLETION||14||14.2|
|RED ZONE OFFENSE||49||0.849|
|TACKLES FOR LOSS ALLOWED||123||9.1|
|TIME OF POSSESION||28||31.0|
|3RD DOWN CONV %||52||0.383|
|4TH DOWN CONV %||24||0.400|
|FIRST DOWN DEFENSE||28||0.234|
|PASSING YARDS ALLOWED||61||228.0|
|RED ZONE DEFENSE||88||0.854|
|TACKLES FOR LOSS||85||5.500|
It turns out that my selection of Alabama and Michigan State for those two stats (TFL and Sacks) was a horrible choice. They are both equally bad at the two. So we aren't good by relation to those two programs. Stat fail....
From the website -
The Fremeau Efficiency Index (FEI) considers each of the nearly 20,000 possessions every season in major college football. All drives are filtered to eliminate first-half clock-kills and end-of-game garbage drives and scores. A scoring rateanalysis of the remaining possessions then determines the baseline possession efficiency expectations against which each team is measured. A team is rewarded for playing well against good teams, win or lose, and is punished more severely for playing poorly against bad teams than it is rewarded for playing well against bad teams.
Offensive and Defensive S&P+; F/+ Rankings
Success Rate: A common Football Outsiders tool used to measure efficiency by determining whether every play of a given game was successful or not. The terms of success in college football: 50 percent of necessary yardage on first down, 70 percent on second down, and 100 percent on third and fourth down.
EqPts Per Play (PPP): An explosiveness measure derived from determining the point value of every yard line (based on the expected number of points an offense could expect to score from that yard line) and, therefore, every play of a given game.
Drive Efficiency: As of February 2013, S&P+ also includes a drive-based aspect based on the field position a team creates and its average success at scoring the points expected based on that field position.
Opponent adjustments: Success Rate and PPP combine to form S&P, an OPS-like measure for football. Then each team's S&P output for a given category (Rushing/Passing on either Standard Downs or Passing Downs) is compared to the expected output based upon their opponents and their opponents' opponents. This is a schedule-based adjustment designed to reward tougher schedules and punish weaker ones.
Here are the rushing numbers of our opponents this season -
Ohio State is the #3 rushing offense in the country in YPG FWIW with an average YPC of 7.03
Can you elaborate? If you know what you're looking at, what's the improvement? Is the improvement something that can be supported by statistics, or is it something else? Just curious.
The last 9 seasons we have won 59% of our games.
Let's face it, we are not elite. Everything Bo built back up (after Sparty was dominant in the 60s) has been or is being destroyed. If not for Beilein's run to the championship game last year would there be any reason for hope? Kids in junior high right now know Michigan more as a good basketball school and a mediocre football program.
And it doesn't look like this will end soon.
Certainly not under the current regime.
Remember how everyone wanted to run Carr out of town because he wasn't good enough?
Remember when the Michigan fanbase was cool with losing? Me, too. I just have to read these forums and all the excuses made for it.
Under Carr, we won 75% of our games and never went worse than 5-3 in conference, so I wouldn't describe his tenure as a "losing" one.
I suppose that if you are okay with averaging three losses a year he was your guy. His teams had 3 or more losses in 10 of the 13 seasons he coached Michigan. These were not like Michigan teams from the RR and Hoke eras either. Go back and look at the rosters on his teams and they were littered with NFL talent, usually starting in the top 10, if not top 5 to start a season. Somehow though his teams still averaged three losses a season. That is what was so very frustrating about Carr.
it looked like Carr was losing his grip on the program? I sure do. The transistion from him to RichRod doesn't help his case any.
I would rather kids know Michigan as a world class research university than as a football or basketball school.
“I think just a lot of guys lost the will to play as a family,” Clark said at 11:57. “Honestly.”
way better article than the nick rant. Kansas state was a team not playing for their individual nfl stock to rise but a committed team playing a coherent philosophy. michigan...well...kinda seemed like gardner was tickled they were getting dominated as per his pep talk with morris. but really, that apathy seemed to be running through many players last night. wasn't about winning...seemed like some guys felt like it was devin's team moreso than the coaching staff's. just my feeling, though.
spielman gets troll of the year award with that performance. if anyone watched the whole game he kept a solid pace (despite his inevitable weird, barely containable passionate outbursts about fluid running) and absolutely trashed the team by the fourth quarter, particularly lewan.
from the team than it has showed. I have no issue with his criticism. Spielman played Michigan at it's peak. This Michigan program hasn't been at a peak since 2006.
This program is soft, undisciplined, and lazy. That is hard to say, but it is true. Marshmellow Michigan.
In 2005, 2006, 2007 how many threads did we have to sit through with titles like "Michigan needs a new Carr" etc. with the exact same sentiments about softness, lack of discipline, crapping on Lloyd etc.
Not sure what the answer is here but I don't see the cavalry coming in terms of some magic coaching hire vs. another year to see if Hoke/Mattison/some offensive coordinator and their recruits working it out.
Spielman takes little potshots at Michigan all the time, and then he'll say something like "Brady Hoke isn't going to stand for that." Then more potshots. He's an Ohio State Buckeye, and he broadcasts like one. I loved him as a Lion, but I would be happy if he never broadcasted another Michigan game.
I didn't have a problem with his commentary during this game. The "little potshots" he took at Michigan last night seemed warranted to me.
But I've heard Chris call a lot of games and he will be critical (what you are calling potshots) of teams when he thinks they are doing something wrong, but he will also give praise when it is deserved. And he will make the same kind of comments that he expects the staff to fix this kind of problem or he will be critical and say he can't figure out why they haven't done it. He has made those kind of comments this year about the OSU defense.
As someone else said, he expects more out of Michigan. He grew up in the era of the Big Two, Little Eight and like many of us that did, he wants Michigan to be good because beating Michigan means more. I know not all my Buckeye Brethren believe this and I know there are many on your side that would be happy if OSU never won another football game again, but there are many of us who would like to see two 11-0 teams meet in the last regular season game every year. And Chris Spielman is in that group.
the word "devastating", I do agree and to prove my point AL just called another run up the middle (for a one yard loss), followed by another fucking reverse!
That's what I took away from it. Its easy to put into words the summary of the fiery rollercoaster that was 2013. Its history now, its over. The fans still support the Team, but we need more TeamWork.
I hope every player and coach has a severe distaste for the feeling they got after this season...after all of their team milestones (i had goals but I think they generally played with mental toughness and that's got to be a goal) have been erased, and dedicate themselves to working harder than any other team until the milestones get to stay up on the dry erase board.
This is a period of adversity as we all can plainly see. Going to work every day and hammering away at the fundamentals with passion and energy is the only way I know out of it. Eventually the skills will come, and once you have command of Skills and Fundamentals then you can work on Strategy.
Edit: Devastation in my book is something on the order of a career-ending injury, NCAA violations, unexpected transfers, etc. Not just a newspaper article.
take the necessary leap next year. When was the last time we won a game that we were an underdog in or a game the staff outcoached the opposition. Seems like we are always on the flip side of these scenarios. Where is the statement game that gives you some faith this program is moving in the right direction. I will wait until next year. Those road games against ND, spart, ohio will be all telling and should seal the deal one way or another. Til then, Spring training is right around the corner. Play ball ...