Are you saying that to the OP or to Desmond?
Cuz you know, both would be right....
Are you saying that to the OP or to Desmond?
Cuz you know, both would be right....
I'm only interested in talking about coaches who coach for Michigan.
Please identify one, by source and date.
And, "dumb and inappropriate remarks from Desmond Howard" is now a predictable, routine occurrence.
Didn't Desmond in fact garble his references last night? Didn't he actually say "Cherry Coke," when he meant "New Coke"?
Anyway, let's recall this from the Desmond's Greatest Hits Collection (Speech Edition):
"I'll give you a perfect example: Michigan fires coach Rich Rodriguez. All the noise in Ann Arbor is, 'Is Denard Robinson going to stay or leave?' I'm like, 'Hey, if the kid wants to go, don't let the door hit you on the way out.' You looked fantastic for five games against nobody. That's what you did. I'm not going to deny his talents, but you ain't won nothing in Ann Arbor, son! Not so much we need to worry about if you're going to be here next year or not."
And don't forget; if you order Desmond's Greatest Hits now, you'll also get, free, Desmond's Greatest Hits (Twitter Edition), in which Desmond and Phil Simms face off for a fistfight, plus too many other unforgettable Tweets to list!
Phil Simms deservedly came out looking like the fool in that whole deal.
That likes cherry coke?
Obviously not. Cherry coke is the single most innovative idea in pop ("soda" for you strange folk from strange parts of the country) in the 20th century. It is far superior to Wild Cherry Pepsi, as evidenced by the fact that Pepsi felt compelled to add the "Wild" modifier to the name. Clearly, if you need to add unnecessary modifiers to prove your point, you know you have a weak case and are just trying to cover it with window dressing. Cherry coke is also superiror to Dr. Pepper. 23 flavors? That's way too many.
Given that Berkshire Hathaway has a vast holding of Coca Cola stock; Warren Buffett might want to question Desmond's careless discussion of Coke products, and the success or failure of Cherry Coke versus [New] Coke. It is the sort of thing that we'd like Michigan Men to recite correctly when they are, uh, professional commentators, doing paid public-speaking engagements.
Desmond was on the search committee the first time, and Bill Martin pretty much pulled an end around.
DH was opposed to RR from the beginning and spent most of the next 3 years biting his toungue on ESPN.
Can anyone rehash the Molk speech?
Amongst other things, Molk basically called out the fanbase for not standing by this team for the past couple of years and how hard it was on them.
Count me on the side of finding the comments self-serving and inappropriate. Given Desmond has been a pretty vocal critic of the Rodriguez tenure, they probably shouldn't have come as a surprise, though. Still it's a bit of a smack in the face to those guys who were recruited and played for Rodriguez for 3 seasons. You can love and feel loyalty to Coach Hoke AND Coach Rodriguez and still be a Michigan Man. Comments like Demond's continue to highlight the fractionalism of the fanbase and imply that people need to choose sides and we should be past that by now.
known for his insight. They make fun of him a lot here in cbus, and it stinks for me, that I normally agree with them. They also make fun of Braylon (in a derogatory way), in which I say to them two words, "Joey Galloway".
They make fun of Braylon because of...? Life decisions? Slippery hands? Because David Boston is probably a nice easy target too.
poster child for steroids. As for Braylon, it is alleged life choices, for which they make fun.
Well, Boston also punches women in the face and gets DUIs. So really, David Boston is your one stop Buckeye shop for terrible life choices.
I mean, it wasn't quite as bad as I was expecting, but he probably should have just praised the current staff rather than bring up the previous staff.
I find the Cherry Coke v. New Coke thing odd. He had to have meant New Coke, right?
I didn't really have a problem with the comments, moreso the venue at which he chose to share them. This event was about this teams success and the players finally being rewarded for their excellent season. There was no need to express opinions on the previous coaching staff because that's not what the event was about.
Having said that, I really don't disagree with his comments and really am having trouble seeing why everyone gets all huffy when someone makes a comment about RR that isn't flattering.
I think the issue many of us have taken is that it is downright disrespectful to the players who were brought to Michigan by RR, and who busted their asses to be good players for Michigan. Many of those players have a huge amount of respect for RR.
Is Desmond saying it was a mistake for them to commit to Michigan with him as its head coach? I hope not. I hope he's not in the same crowd of people were were telling recruits not to go play for Michigan because of RR being its head coach.
I'm sure that in the inner-sanctums of Michigan foobtall, Desmond Howard is going to say some real shit from time to time. I think he's earned that right.
But with all speech making, you're either informing, persuading or demonstrating something to the audience.
Personally, I think those kind of remarks were made in poor judgement and in poor consideration of the audience he's talking to, which obviously included Michigan football players who committed to and worked very hard for Michigan and their coach Rich Rodriguez. Some of those players still love coach RichRod.
Yes. If you're a Michigan football hero, Heisman Trophy winner and All-American legend I guess you can damn well say whatever you want if you choose.
But it doesn't mean you should.
Making disparaging remarks about the previous coach and the choice to hire him. Congratulations, you won over 20% of the room. Now what about the other 80% who are staring at you and who liked that former coach? What are they? Idiots in your eyes? At that moment somebody might as well have picked up a muzzled trumpet for the Debby Downer tune.....wha, wha, whaaaa!
Desmond's message could have been delivered with greater eloquence, but hey, there it is. I'm glad Molk got to contribute some real shit of his own.
Time for him to take more shots.
I'm guessing the whole overanalyzed, overdiscussed RR episode ends at the exact moment that the Sugar Bowl results are overanalyzed and overdiscussed. Desmond shooting his mouth off a little in the wrong place- Huh. Imagine. One of RR's players (barely old enough to buy his own beer) coming to the defense of his old coach and giving the fan base a little for not standing with the team-Holy shit. Another shocker. This topic will be so boring at this time next year that no one at the bust will think of bringing it up. Discussion of RR, his treatment, and his record could become a parlor game for people like us. But the subject has been so badly beaten that weariness will finally have set in and not even we will want to talk about it. It will finally be dead. (unless of course RR runs off about 3 straight MNCs at AZ)
If he called the Rodriguez hire a mistake and compared it to New Coke, he was right in both respects. It doesn't sound like he disparaged Rodriguez personally. It sounds like he said Michigan hired a guy to bring in the latest and greatest offensive system, ala new Coke, and it didn't work out. I think Rodriguez might agree, if he's not swearing he'd have won at least 10 games this season. So where's the controversy?
His comments just come off as being insensitive to the seniors and team in general who have gone through the the toughest 3-4 year span in recent Michigan history. Instead of making a speech that essentially says, "Whew, thank god we got Brady Hoke and Greg Mattison in here and don't have to watch that gimmick offense anymore"; how about acknowledging the commitment of the guys who went through the roughest of rough patches. How about acknowledging that these guys faced more adversity than any Michigan team in recent memory, yours included, and emerged winners. There's a lot of ways to highlight how much the last 3 years sucked for everybody who cares about Michigan without coming off as callous to the team.
I think the new Coke reference was to the Michigan defense and not the "gimmick offense" that was to be so controversial at the time, as it was actually quite successful at Michigan.
If everyone is going to be up in arms about RichRod talking about this season and his expectations and his time here, why is it ok for the university to talk about him?
Who, exactly, is "up in arms" about Rich Rodriguez talking about our season?
Sorry if you thought my response was to you...it was to the gentleman above you asking why this is a big deal. And I wasn't talking about anyone at the university, I was talking about this board. If we are going to be upset about RichRod commenting on Michigan football, then we should also get upset when Michigan talks about him. Sorry if that wasn't clear in my post.
No need to rehash the past. Desmond should have kept his mouth shut about the failures of the team over the past 3 years. When a majority of the players in the room were the guys on the field, the guys losing the games, why not just celebrate the great season and the commitment that they made instead of highlighting the negative aspects.
His inability to us the correct analogy is irrelevant, but highlight his inability to understand the impact of his words on the people that matter the most - The Team.
that you're telling the audience that they bought the New Coke too and that they should have known better.
It's his opinion. He can say it all if he wants. But it's not going to be well received by all.
It's not something I would say. I'd want my presentation at such a football bust to be positive for the audience, congratulatory all-around and recognizing everyone in the room for their sacrifice, perseverence and positive contribution. It makes no sense to yank the Rodriguez chain, but I acknowledge that there's alway going to be an "I told you so" crowd that just can't resist making the jabs about the past.
Oh well, meanwhile Michigan is 10-2, beat Nebraska decisively and OSU, and is headed to a nice BCS bowl game.
Both of which are delicious - hello Hawaiian style!
His comments were fine. RR WAS a mistake to hire in hindsight. (At the time I thought he was a great hire) But if you say RR wasn't a mistake then your delusional. (He won 15 games in 3 seasons....For something to compare that too, LSU is going to win 14 games alone this season)
Back when Desmond was with the jax jags he took a few hours from his day to visit the small rust bucket I was stationed on. He chatted with the crew and was very cool. It was not a
PR stunt, just saying thanks to the military.
Desmond has lots of good karma points in my book. Although these comments seem like a poor choice for the venue.
Alot of you people need to chill the hell out and stop puckering up whenever there is any kind of mention of the rich rod era as if its some how not as real if we just dont talk about it.
"First rule about living through the rich rod era is we don't talk about the rich rod era!" mentality is childish.
So what if Desmond made some jokes at a social dinner event... he can say whatever he wants about the subject and he kept it within reason.