Desmond: Borges third highest paid coordinator (assume refer to OC)

Submitted by iawolve on
Reading this in the Detroit News this morning and was a bit surprised. Is Borges really the third highest paid OC in the country? If we are willing to compensate at that level, regardless of who has the position, that dude better have a playbook for any situation or set of talent. This has me a bit conflicted when I see us paying the money since we obviously felt Borges had the potential to be a top three coordinator. I then wonder if we know what you need in a top tier OC because I then have less confidence in hiring any replacement. Not sure your views on the subject beyond there is a likely consensus that we are not getting our money's worth for whatever reason. “We understand the glaring issues you have, but when you’re the third-highest paid coordinator in the country, you’re paid to figure it out, and you’re paid to figure it out against teams like the Northwesterns, even against a Nebraska, who they lost to last week,” Howard said Saturday morning on GameDay. http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20131116/SPORTS0201/311160051
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switch26

November 17th, 2013 at 10:39 AM ^

Borges needs to go but Hoke and mattison better figure out a way to coach the position they claim to know so much about.. our dline is horrific.. do people think it is a severe lack of talent or is it all coaching? Clark is our best lineman but he was just a 3 star.. will they get better with upgraded talent?

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switch26

November 17th, 2013 at 1:28 PM ^

I get ur point but we still cannon get sacks.. it is becoming pathetic.. especially against dogshit teams.. qbs have field days against us.. simien had two incompletions going into the 4th that is pathetic..mattison continues to have dbs playing 15 yards off wr.. raymon should of had 2 pick sixes if they played press coverage yesterday.. they need to play better.. we are just lucky nw sucks ass

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LSAClassOf2000

November 17th, 2013 at 11:27 AM ^

At least by average yards allowed, that defensive line is at the front of a Top 20 defense and a Top 10 rushing defense, so I am not exactly sure what you mean. Actually, by the numbers, it has gotten better over the past few weeks. The pass defense has lopped 8 yards off of its average in the last week alone, so it is getting better two (even if #64 in Division I isn't all that great). 

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tricks574

November 17th, 2013 at 10:46 AM ^

Highest in the Big Ten, but significantly behind the 2 ahead of him. Morris makes like, 1.3 million a year, and a name I'm sure everyone is familiar with, or will be if Borges does get canned. Cam Cameron makes 1.1 million. They are the top 2 paid assistants in College FB, with maybe 2 more that make over a million a year, I think Chavis and Smart. 

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Finance-PhD

November 17th, 2013 at 10:57 AM ^

Sunseri was paid $800K by Tennessee and I think they are still paying him as DC. Georgia's DC gets $850 a year and I will have to check Auburn but last year Van Gorder got $850 to match Kirby Smart at the time.

I guess OC do not get paid as much because so many HC are offense guys but I don't know.

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EnoughAlready

November 17th, 2013 at 10:50 AM ^

Hoke's worst year is going to be at least as good as RRs best year, or probably better (if Michigan doesn't get humiliated in a bowl game), and people can't stop complaining.   This site has gotten pathetic.

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SteelBrad

November 17th, 2013 at 12:14 PM ^

Yup. People forget. Rich Rod was horrible working with "someone else's players".

I think the criticism is justified on Borges and Funk but when you look at the players they are currently working with, the harshness might be a little undeserved.

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Jeff09

November 17th, 2013 at 10:56 AM ^

Usually I think using the word 'unacceptable' in conjunction with describing the performance of a college football team is ridiculous, but there is one thing I actually find unacceptable: players or units getting worse over the course of a season. Look at the offensive line. I think it has gotten worse and more confused basically every week. Fitz gets no better at blocking. Devin has regressed massively. Now contrast this with Mattison's D. I feel like I see more out of those guys every week at most positions. That's how it needs to be, no questions asked. College players are basically all at a stage of development where they should all be improving markedly week to week, and Borges can't get that done.

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Huma

November 17th, 2013 at 11:19 AM ^

Have you considered that Fitz and Devin are just really playing poorly? I like them both, but the facts are that Devin has made terrible decisions in almost every game he has started at QB and last night he stared down a single receiver on every throw. NW should have had about 4 picks last night. Fitz is slower than the 2 freshmen at hitting the hole, goes down on first contact, and cannot pass block at all. You can try to blame the coaches for not "coaching 'em up" but at some point the players have to just MAKE PLAYS.

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MFanWM

November 17th, 2013 at 11:30 AM ^

I liked the focus on shorter passes throughout the game and the use of more roll-outs for Gardner, and I hope this continues for the rest of the games this year and it was not just due to such poor weather.

There were a few drops that are not typical from Gallon especially that should go away, but Gardner still needs to be coached to not lock on to a receiver (although given 14 sacks in two games...hard to blame him for trying to get rid of the ball quickly) as an equal number could have easily been pick sixes.

There was also still an inordinate focus on play-action passing, and head-scratching calls like the 4th down run by Gardner with no option to pitch/throw/etc.  I just think Borges will revert to his comfort zone of relying on 15yd plus PA double-move primary option passes, so it will be interesting to see what happens vs. Iowa.

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crrt78

November 17th, 2013 at 12:48 PM ^

Every coach ahead of Brady Hoke has won national championships or multiples leagues titles. I have no problem paying at that level but I really think you have to earn it.

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WolverineFanatic6

November 17th, 2013 at 1:04 PM ^

Well said. Contracts should come based off prior results at noteworthy programs, or something that turns your head like 11-1 at bowling green or 12-0 with Utah pre PAC 12.

I'm not sure what Brady did at SDSU and Ball State that made DB see a top 7 coach in America. I obviously hope he is for our sake but for 4.1 mill you should be more involved on game day instead of clapping and pointing at everything.

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G. Gulo of the Dale

November 17th, 2013 at 3:28 PM ^

"... something that turns your head like 11-1 at bowling green"

"I'm not sure what Brady did at SDSU and Ball State..."

Ball State (that Ball State) was 12-0 in Brady Hoke's last season heading into their conference championship game, and he was the first coach to guide them to consecutive bowl appearances.  That doesn't make him a top-seven coach, but he fulfills the exact criteria that you're claiming he doesn't.  And, last I checked, he made "only" $3 million last year, less than Kirk Ferentz.

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newtopos

November 17th, 2013 at 4:10 PM ^

He was clearly referring to Urban Meyer.  Meyer took a 2-9 Bowling Green team, and immediately turned it around, going 8-3 in year one and 9-3 in year two.

Both of his years at Utah, he won the conference title and the bowl game, going undefeated in year two (and taking Utah to a top 5 ranking).

Hoke has never won a conference title, even in the MAC or WMC.  He inherited a Ball State team that went 6-6 under Bill Lynch, and spend the next four years below .500.  His fifth year they went 7-6.  Lightning struck in year six, but even then, Hoke's ranked Ball State team was soundly beaten by Turner Gill's team in the MAC championship.  

We hired a .500 coach with no conference titles to his name (and he still does not).  He is a good recruiter, helped reunited the fanbase, and will always be incredibly dependent on having excellent coordinators underneath him if his teams are going to succeed.  We do not have an excellent offensive coaching staff, including OC. 

 

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G. Gulo of the Dale

November 17th, 2013 at 11:18 PM ^

... and I don't want to be pedantic, but "Hoke doesn't fulfill the criteria:  He was clearly referring to Urban Meyer" is too vague to capture either what I was arguing or what the OP said.  He wasn't arguing that Hoke's body of work prior to being hired failed to equal Meyer's prior to his tenure at Florida.  [No one disputes that they weren't equal, nor does anyone dispute that an evidentlyly awesome coach was unavailable for hire at the end of 2010.]  The OP said that Hoke hadn't done anything of note or head-turning and then offered an 11-1 season at BGSU as an example of a season that would be remarkable ("or a 12-0 season at Utah").  I was simply noting that Hoke's last season at Ball State was equivalent to the hypothetical Bowling Green season the OP constructed.  And, of course, Meyer never went 11-1 at BGSU.  Then he tried to imply that Hoke was vastly overpaid, and claimed that he was given a contract of $4.1 million a year for his previous mediocrity; maybe he makes that much this year, but he made $2 million his first year.  I could be wrong about this--and if so, I apologize--but I thought the OP was deliberately skewing the facts to stir the pot.

EDIT:  Sorry, meant to be referring to newtopos, and the original post that started this has been removed.

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crrt78

November 17th, 2013 at 5:32 PM ^

Per USA Today, Brady Hoke salary is 4.1 M, with some stupid automatic raise of 550 k for staying around. Really, Bonus for BCS games, Big Ten Championship, etc is great. Good base salary and bonus for production makes sense but a raise because you stay being the coach at Michigan is ridiculous while my tickets go up and the home games on every other season are just lousy.

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Chuckwoodson2

November 17th, 2013 at 2:35 PM ^

I may not like things Borges does sometimes, but he has been the OC that won us a BCS game, and this year with what looks to be one of the worst offensive lines ever assembled...really our line would be better with lesbian lax players, atleast they know how to stop penetration, and Borges has still got us to 7 wins with this line.

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uofmdds96

November 17th, 2013 at 3:47 PM ^

Desmond was pissed. After he went off on Borges saying he should be able to scheme better when he is getting paid that much, the rest of the Gameday panel was speechless. It was great.

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Hotroute06

November 18th, 2013 at 2:55 AM ^

Borges has been bad,  but Gardner is worse.  People need to realize we are going nowhere with him as our quarterback.  The only thing i can think of is that he looks a lot better in practice but once the games start he panicks and makes terrible decisions.  

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FlexUM

November 18th, 2013 at 8:33 AM ^

Is that acceptable when Garnder has so much talent? He is big, strong, fast, very good arm and has shown he can play quarterback. 

The problem I have with your comment is I can almost picture him playing at alabama, ohio state, lsu, and a host of other schools and being a very very good quarterback.

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YaterSalad

November 18th, 2013 at 9:02 AM ^

Good decision making comes from experience. Let's see here ... Based on games played at QB he is a RS Fr, he played WR for a lot of last year, an he has a young o-line right now making it hard to stay / step up in the pocket. I can only see him improving this year and next since he has the smarts, ability, speed, etc to be a playmaker right now.

But, you're right, let's write him off along with the o-line, Borges, Hoke, Brandon, etc. We just aren't Michigan any more.

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