You forget to mention that your 10 year old is 6'4" 220 and can run the 40 in 4 flat.
i would find this more credible if it was about Tom Crean
You forget to mention that your 10 year old is 6'4" 220 and can run the 40 in 4 flat.
Not possible. Lane Kiffin would have offered him already then.
Fitzgerald Toussaint should start, and it's not even close. Toussaint is more explosive, in better shape, knows the offense better, and is more of a threat in the passing game than Green.
I like Green's future, but you're jumping the gun.
Start, sure. But Green should probably see more carries vs ND because he can move the pile that extra yard or two far better than Fitz. On Green's TD run, Fitz doesn't get it. Green's size and second push got that six. I'd like to see a 60/40 Fitz/Green split.
On Green's TD run, Fitz probably would have dodged back to the right and dove into the endzone fairly cleanly. I agree Toussaint wouldn't have taken the hit so well, but he would have been harder to hit in the first place.
Can someone please explain to me how the ND defense is small? They go 290, 322, and 357 on the d-line, 230, 258, 250, and 245 at LB, safeties are both over 200, and CBs are all over 5'11" 190. I'm pretty sure if you matched up their defense to ours they would be heavier and taller at every single position. They may have the biggest defenses we play all year.
Green has great size and good speed. But he showed NO moves or balance, and went down SUPER easy on first contact (for a guy his massive size). There is absolutely no way he looked better than Fitz.
Green has the physical tools to be a great RB, but he is going to have to learn better footwork and balance if he wants to be an elite back in college. It can happen--see Chris Perry in 2003. But after seeing them for 1 game, Fitz is the better back.
Yeah, but he had a 30-yard run where nobody touched as he ran straight down the field. Therefore, he's better. Duh.
You should retitle this that Green should just see more carries. "Starter" just really means one play - the first of the game. I think we will see more Green next week. A platoon job with Fitz.
And went and got my computer specifically so I could downvote this thread. This is seriously the stupidest opinion I can recall reading on this board. There is no way in all the world that you reached this conclusion by actually watching people play football yesterday. You're clearly just enamored with recruiting rankings and the stat sheet at the end of the day.
There were two running backs yesterday that showed the ability to either make people miss or run through contact, and they were Fitz Toussaint and (shockingly enough) Thomas Rawls. Derrick Green showed off a ton of potential, but very little actual skill. To call for a major depth chart overhaul (Green seems to be 4th or 5th, based on how the coaches were playing guys) based on 11 garbage time carries against a MAC team is asinine.
I hope for your sake you're drunk or high or have some other excuse for this shameful thread.
Note how at no point did I insinuate that Rawls should start, or even get any more carries than he got yesterday. But he ran through an arm tackle, which is more than anyone other than Fitz did.
And Norfleet, but I'm assuming he doesn't count.
Also I don't know why I'm arguing with you, you're almost as bad as Wolverines Dominate.
I apologize for flying off the handle there, I try to avoid personal attacks for the most part, and while I still think your comment above was reaching it didn't deserve a comparison to Wolverines Dominate, who I'm still fairly certain is just a troll.
I agree with you to some extent, I think Green showed pretty conclusively that he's going to be a better back than Rawls, but I think based an a super limited sample size Rawls is playing better right now. Green has a burst that is really impressive for his size, he just needs to learn how to use that power to break tackles.
I think Rawls had a very similar thing going on last year. He had size and power, but went down way earlier than he should have because he didn't know how to use them. What I saw from him yesterday suggested to me that maybe the light went on for him. What I saw from Green suggests that he still needs to learn those same skills, but when he does he'll be an outstanding player.
Anyway, I'm gonna head out for a bit and maybe come back to the board in a few days. I think that would be best, both for everyone here and for my own sanity. Gotta keep myself from taking these things too seriously.
It was just an observation. This board is getting less and less fun with the level of douche-baggery on here. We are all blue at the end of the day
I participated in a couple of conversations about this in other threads on the board yesterday, but for some reason seeing it get its own thread after all that just made me feel like some combination of this guy:
And this guy:
I think I'm going to take a few days off from reading and commenting on the board, at least until the UFRs go up. I think the lack of game film (other than MGoBlue.com's ridiculously zoomed-in highlights) has made me just get angry in places where I would have previously pointed to video evidence. Damn T3 Media.
This may well be one of the most unintentional neg-bangings I've seen around these parts. It is an opinion and everyone is entitled to his or her, but this probably should have been placed inside another thread where it wouldn't have been given such a spotlight.
how unintentional it is. The OP, in general, loves attention. He may have been serious, but I wouldn't put it past him to post something like this just to start a flamefest even if he didn't 100% believe it himself. Especially with the points system not functioning.
I think aaamichfan's account was hacked. Everyone change your password now!
I only type /ˌsuːpərˌkælɨˌfrædʒɨˌlɪstɪkˌɛkspiːˌælɨˈdoʊʃəs/ once, and then I expect the browser to remember it for me.
We have the same password. PANIC!
The only thing I want to contribute to this contentious thread is this: I am just damn happy we have options. And happier to let the coaches figure it out.
A gulp a gulp a gulp.
Did you pick something up while with the bush girl?
This is the danger of too much player hype prior to setting foot on campus. One good game: Heisman!
I think what really happens is a guy looks good at first, but you then opponents get used to them. You can't underestimate the impact of another coach watching every one of your runs and learning all your tendencies. It makes a huge difference that second year where teams are game planning specifically for you
I think hoke just changed it with green who will be a nfl rb. So will damien harris.
At any rate Fitz looked good and he should continue starting. Good to have some good backs to choose from.
just let our coaches use their good judgement here and let them start the back that best fits their plans. NOVEL IDEA....I know.
Based on my recall and because of Green's body type, I would have thought that he would more consistently gain yards but would have fewer long runs. But the opposite was true. Green was less consistent but had the longest run ( 30 for G vs. 20 yards for F). That long rush helped account for his higher yard per rush mean average (5.3 for G vs 4.1 for F).* Yet, the middle among the string of gains was a full yard greater for Fitz (3.0 yards for G and 4.0 for F)** Also, Fitz’s average was higher, when one accounts for the variability.***
This simple analysis disregards the fact that,1. Fitz has an advantage in the passing and blocking games, 2. Fitz gained tougher yards at the beginning of the game with a fresh and not demoralized defense on CMU, 3. this was Green’s first college game and that his upside is enormous and 4. Green may have had for some runs a less experienced Offensive line. However,based on this simple analysis, I expect that, if you put Fitz’s runs together in random order, you would have a higher percent of first downs than you would have with Green. That is exactly the opposite of what I expected.
*On very short runs, Fitz scored 2tds, Green 1. Presumably, Fitz could have gained more yards than one or two if the end zone did not limit him on his extra td run; so he probably would have had at least a 4.2 or 4.3 yard average.
**Median length of run) =3 yds for G; and =4 for F.
***Mean divided by stdev =.63 for Green, .73 for Fitz
Nice math, brother. Best to speak in stats and experience when deciding who starts against a school like ND.
Green shows great potential but in big games there is no way he should start over Fitz.. I do believe that Green solidified his #2 RB role but it should be about a 70-30 split in big games in Fitzs favor.. Gives us the best chance to win
I think Fitz needs to start and deserves too. Eventually I think so time later in the season Green may start but Fitz had a better game and ran harder. When Green came in the game UofM was up 30 and UofM was pounding the ball.
What is the rationale for not rotating Running Backs? I understand you want to have consistency and rhythm, but wouldnt having the tail back as fresh as possible lead to the best results?
In essence, I'm wondering whats the benefit for having a featured tail back
Jareth Glanda at starting RB. Fitz to long snapper. ND will never see it coming!
Much steeper talent gradient between qb1 and qb3 than there is between rb1 and rb6. I want my rb1 to be the one who is best at protecting qb1. End.
Do I win a prize???
Why would we replace Fitz with Green? Why not just use all 5 backs? I could really see Fitz/Green doing a 65/35 split... I want to see Hayes get some touches too since he decommitted from ND to play for the greatest university in the world
I'm going to go ahead and upvote this thread. Can't believe so many people are against Green starting.
then I like Michigan's chances to grind it out, but still score TDs.
If Michigan gets behind in the game, then I think we're looking at another crazy passing circus, INTs and WTF touchdowns with 20+ million viewers globally flirting with cardiac arrest.
I don't need that shit.
Just give me Michigan with a 14 point lead and a nice rotation of Fitz, Green and Smith. And don't freaking fumble.