Yeah, stupid 1,000-yard runner coming off horrible injury not meeting your expectations.
that is nice bonus change
Yeah, stupid 1,000-yard runner coming off horrible injury not meeting your expectations.
Get carries but I doubt he'll start. Fitz looked real good IMO and although it was a small sample size, so did Rawls! Green benefited from some great blocking on his long run. I've little doubt that Green will be amazing but he still has some work to do.
He did lead, but many of the yards came on one play where any of the RBs would have been successful. Even the announcers noticed the O-line play on that one.
I'm pissed about Drake going down, his couple runs looked nice, especially as they were his first collegiate carries
Just no. Fitz looked way better. Derrick Green's numbers are skewed by his one long run which featured a hole you and I both could have ran through.
... I forgot how idiotic threads could be during the season.
Would have been fun to use here.
Grass is always greener....that or each OT/footbaw season becomes increasingly dumber...
Fitz played a goid game and did nothing to lose his job. I can agree with them splitting carries but Fitz didn't lose his job. Green played late in the game when CMU was fatigued. Anyone could have ran through the hole Green had on that long run. I'm not taking anything away from Green. I'm just saying Fitz didn't do anything to lose his job.
I shouldn't post when I'm this hungover...
Green looked pretty tired after being in a few plays in a row. Not sure he is ready for bethe full time back
Green played better than Fitz yesterday. I don't think it really matters who's running it with how good our 2013 OL looks.
You going to update that signature ever week or just the end of every season.
Somewhat related but OT: Did backups on the O-line play yesterday? If so, which ones, and did anyone notice anything good or bad?
The starters started leaving after Green's TD (about 5 minutes left in 3rd quarter). Pretty sure I saw Kalis stay out there for an extra series. Braden and Magnuson played tackle. Burzynski played center. Saw Gunderson in at guard and player participation chart says Bars and Bryant played (didn't notice them when searching for nameplates in the huddle). And some dude named Pliska, who I have never heard of apparently saw the field.
So they were in on the 80+ yard TD drive where Rawls scored and through the fourth quarter.
everybody who played yesterday.
Magnuson got a crushing block on Rawls' TD, FWIW.
Lewan and Schofield sat in the middle of the 3rd quarter, I'm pretty sure. Once Green and Smith started taking snaps it was Braden (LT) and Magnuson (RT) and the O-line ran mostly zone running plays although I saw a power run that got a respectable 4 yards.
Using the OP's logic, because most of the rushing yards came after Magnuson and Braden came in, we should bench Lewan and Schofield!
This is a joke right? Clearly Fitz looked better. you take away the Green run where the O line cleared the way for a semi truck and he had a pretty ok day. He will be amazing one day, but Fitz is the better back right now
I agree with this. I'm not saying Green looked bad, but I could have gained 20 yards on his long run, that hole was so big. If you take out that run, he looked like a freshman. I'm all for giving him reps going forward, but he did not look better than Fitz.
Exactly right! How about this: If Fitz had the hole that Green had on that play, Fitz is in the end zone. Fitz is clearly faster, shiftier, and runs with power. I also thought Smith looked pretty good considering he was hit in the backfield or at the line of scrimmage on almost every carry. I think there is a very healthy problem here: a lot of good-looking backs.
If you concede that any back we would put in the game would have also gained 30 yards (or more) on the play where Green had 30 yards and you take that run out of his stats, he had 10 carries for 28 yards.
Didnt Green go against 2nd stringers? And he looked wiped out... he isnt ready yet... really... he looks good for five carries at full speed...
To me, Drake Johnson looked the best... he looked quick, fast, and tough.
Green definitely looks as if he will be the best of the group, when he gets into shape, however.
Rawls actually played violently, and I liked it.
Hayes looked great, and enough that I wanted to see more of him... I think they should play him alot vs ND who I recall, spurned him.
on the field until into the 4th as did we.
Some of these conclusions that everyone has come to after one game is hilarious.
I don't think Central pulled all their starters like we did, they were losing and probably want to get their first string as much practice as possible. I do t think he played against second string. As to him looking wiped, was this after his big run? Yea most backs after a big run are pretty tired and usually sit the next play out. I'm not saying he's in the best or peak game shape right now BUT COME ON! Reaching to say the least.
You said Drake Johnson looked the best in a comment yesterday as well. You could tell that off of his two carries for 9 yards, one being for 2 yds and the other on a outside run with a HUGE hole. Good job, you're scouting abilities are impressive.
Rawls always looks awesome in garbage time, it's his thing. He's not in the picture IMO.
Hayes. Once again incredible scouting to say he looked great off of the ONE CARRY you saw.
Trust the coaching staff people, they will play who should play. We have at least three backs who will probably get a number of carries next week. All this talk is crazy.
I agree with this guy. We can't rank the running backs based off of this puny sample size. Just be happy we have very quality depth at this position for once.
Are you a relative of Drake or something?
its ND. He won't get a touch till the 2nd quarter, unless fitz struggles he will remain a backup.
Who the fuck cares who the starter is? Green will see carries against ND. Fitz will see carries. Johnson, assuming he's healthy, will probably see carries. Whichever is having the most success will see the lions share of them. Stop bitching over semantics.
The starter will get 2/3 of the carries, so, yeah, the "semantics" matter.
Your idea that the coaches will be flip-flopping their decision on who the main back is throughout the game is unlikely. A back will get stuck in there and given the load, win or lose. The other backs will spell the starter and play in specific situations.
Green is huge but I didn't see him run angry. His legs stopped moving upon contact and I don't recall him getting hardly any yards after contact.
Someone should teach him to turn green like the Hulk when he runs. It will make it easier to tell when he is running angry.
And Green may play when his presence is needed but not before. The die is cast, the results are in, and you don't play a freshman in a big game as a starter. You bring him him in as a change of pace back. And that is exactly what will happen.
More concerned at this point, about injury situation with Drake and Joe Reynolds. The heatlh of the receiving corps is more of an issue than running back. Green is a bowling ball but a straight line guy. He missed cutback holes and opportunities to make big plays yesterday. And he got gaps that Fitz didn't get.
Both for the pointless nature of this thread, and for all the evidently blind people who still think Smith is superior.
They should probably release him from his scholarship if possible. Great points you made, 11 carries in his first game and he could only get 58 yards. Weak, total bust. Fits sucks too, 14 carries for only 57 yards. Horrible! Why do we even have these guys? Dump them all!!!!
/trying to fit in with crazy talk
People are obviously overreacting, but did you think he looked particularly good? I thought he did a nice job finding the holes people opened up for him but also definitely noticed he usually went down immediately after first contact. Tough to understand for a 240lb supposed power back. I'm not saying get rid of him but the results weren't great for his debut
He has had 11 carries, yesterday was his first game ever in college. Sample size is so small, nothing can be known yet. Relax!
I am relaxed. I didn't see much from any of them that made them seem clearly better than the rest, Fitz included. We'll see as the year goes on I guess
+1 for you good sir lol
What is the deal with all this raving about Fitz? 14 carries 57 yards? That's 4 per carry. Cool that he's back from a horrendous injury, but that's hardly something to sit there and be happy with against a MAC team. We'll see really where we're at next Saturday, but I don't get the FITZ IS BACK shit.
I do think Fitz is still the guy, given his experience and non-fumbling, but I think it's pretty clear that he's not going to get 25+ carries a game. They will, and should continue to try out Smith and Green to get those guys experience and see if one can be an immediate value-add to the ground game. By the end of October, I wouldn't be surprised to see one of the freshmen getting more carries on average than Fitz. I also won't be surprised if that doesn't happen.
And didn't get carries against a worn out CMU defensive front. Fitz wasn't perfect, but he was decisive and did well to square his shoulders. If he picked up his feet a little better he would have broke one or two long ones. And if he would have gotten up to 20 carries he likely would have had 90+ yards. Fitz also had another GL run with no blocking and a 3rd and short with no blocking and was hindered by the fact that twice Michigan tried to run counters with him in the game and blocked no one. And don't get me started on the two shotgun delayed draws that looked awfully blocked.
On normal down and distances, when Michigan ran zone runs, Fitz probably averaged near 6 yards a pop. He looked good running out of the zone. I think you need to look away from the ball once in a while to see the whole story.
The reaction is especially humorous in context. After the Nebraska fiasco last year, Fitz posted 193 yards on 34 carries (5.67 ypc) before getting hurt early in the Iowa game (also played Minnesota and Northwestern). Supposedly he was running like a bitch and the offensive line totally sucked.
It is good to know that all is now right with the world.
To be fair, 14 carries for 57 yards is actually only a smidge below an average in-game peformance for Fitz (that being about 13 carries for 65 yards), so there is that to consider. It is only one game, but it was a better performance than typical last year (13 carries for 55 yards average in-game). When it comes to using the stats, we might be better off waiting until there are not nine players - including both QBs - rushing for yardage and the opponent is not CMU, I would think.
OJ really makes that gif memorable. What a talented athlete and entertainer.
About green being (in some people's opinion) overweight, everyone would think he had a phenomenal game, and could start.
I'm with you.
I'm not agreeing with the OP, but this place can be such an enourmous circle jerk at times. Green played well, but it's cool to hate on him at the moment and proclaim Smith as the superior back.
Obviously Fitz will start, but I feel like Green had a slightly better game yesterday than he is being given credit for around these parts.