that is nice bonus change
Derrick Green reportedly down to two
I hope it's not true his mother is pushing UT because of distance - moms can have a lot of influence over these things.
that committed to Cal(?) without them offering him, this was my favorite recruiting WTF.
Who faked a news conference in 2008 and took a couple years off and signed with a Division II school......in 2012, at 22 years old.
He still has two years left of eligibility.
You gon' learn today!!!!
Or the kicked who committed to us only because he thought Harbaugh was coming...
Didn't Derrick's mom absolutely love Hoke?
Hoke makes mothers melt. This is fact.
I wonder what the "Hoke can't close the deal" crowd will say when/if we land Green?
It happens..they'll just remind us of all the ones he didn't get.
all the skill players we've wanted to. But shouldn't we cut Hoke & co. some slack and see how York, Dukes, Jones, Darboh, Chesson, Deveon Smith do at the collegiate level before saying we can't land elite skill players? These coaches don't look at Rivals to see whom they should recruit. Mike Hart was a 3*. But does that mean he was doomed to a career of mediocrity from the outset? absolutely not.
Jake Long was a 4* and Henne a 5*. All three were all-time greats. Agreed that stars do not translate always (or even usually) into collegiate performance.
Let's be real here - the recruits with higher rankings usually have those rankings because they have a higher probablity of being a star (pun) as opposed to the lower ranked recruits.
I find it funny to look at every years draft and see how many 2 and 3 stars were drafted as high as the 1st round, but then I look at the 5 stars and see that it's typical most (95%) 5 star recruit that made it through college ball will get drafted somewhere.
As opposed to 4 and 5 star players, 2 and 3 star players make up just as much or slightly more of the nfl draft. However there are so many more of them it's what we'd expect.
But when you're applying that rule to individuals, and those individuals need to fit a system, its just one measure. So, while its a great tool, its not the end all.
The coaches are not going to get everyone they want, but its a puzzle, and they're looking for the pieces that fit THEIR plan..not ours. If a kid doesn't want to come here, and its someone the coaches have targeted, then its not a good fit for both parties. So, I really hope Green feels Michigan is the right fit for him, but if he doesn't, he shouldn't come here. That part is not rocket science.
NO WAY!!!! I guess that does it then, we should just recruit 3 stars.
They do not always translate in any specific case, but if you look what teams are annually near to the top of the recruiting rankings, these are also the teams that are ranked high in the polls as well. That's not a coincidence. I'm sure if some of the MGoStatisticians around here were to start digging, you'd find strong correlation between the star rating of a team's recruiting classes and their rating in the polls.
If we don't?
That Green fell right into our lap. With Miami's sanctions, the train wreck that is Auburn, coaching change at Tennessee, etc...... Mark Dantonio could have recruited this kid to Michigan. I'll be ecstatic when we land him but it doesn't say much about Hoke's recruiting ability, either way, if we do.
If the point of recruiting is to get good players, and Michigan gets good players, then Hoke deserves credit for recruiting those players.
Micihigan's Rivals ranking under Hoke
2011 - 21 (salvaged over the span of 3 weeks) - 3rd best in B1G
2012 - 7 - 2nd best in B1G
2013 - 5 (currently) - Best class in B1G
Yeah, you're right, Hoke sucks at recruiting.
Everyone is applying their own standard to the "evaluation" of recruiting:
Is the #5 class the standard? #4 with key playmakers? #7 with a dominant line? Finish higher ranked than OSU and ND?
I would offer the following: As long as UM has talent to win 10+ games and the recruiting class is ranked top 10, then our recruiting is an A. Win 10+ and top 3 class, then A+. (Yep, grading staffs on recruitingtia a combination of 2-3 years).
I think it would be a great thread to debate the grading scale ...
If we lose him to Butch Jones's offense I'll burn this mother down.
If this is true, saying it out loud tastes almost as good as my Jameson.
This isn't the first time someone has reported Green's mother preferring he stay south. I hope the coaches can over come her reservation, if it does exist.
Nice, very nice.
Seems to me that while we've been offering wide receivers, linebackers, dbs, etc., we haven't been offering running backs. Could that be a tipoff?
I swear I remember early in the HS football season, Green saying that he was going to announce in like November. Maybe the coaching changes at some of his top schools delayed things. Has anyone heard and rumors of if he may announce at the All-American game or if there is no time schedule on the table.
I haven't heard a time table, but signing day is in 6 weeks with Christmas and NYD in between, so the window isn't very big anyway.
Their OL recruiting the last couple years has been the exact opposite of ours. They brought in zero (0) OL recruits in 2012, and currently have 3 in 2013, one 4 star and two 3 stars, one of which is Dan Skipper. Maybe Hoke wants Skipper so that Green will see he won't have anyone to run behind at UT.
Yeah, not sure how much stock into this. The guy who reported it only has 200ish followers.
He's legit. Local UT football reporter that is pretty well respected.
Local UT reporter wanting more attention and followers.
Thank you he who must not be named.
Those damn mothers... Gotta love em
As an employee of the Vol network owned by UT, Hubbs would seem bound by the same recruiting silence as any other AD employee. I don't care that he did, but the NCAA has some Draconian rules.
Just consider the source - he is a paid cheerleader for UT. We probably should rely on Farrell ...
There's a reason you don't here guys like Doug Karsch talk about specific recruits, just recruiting at large, even if they have other jobs.
i ask because i honestly don't know any better but i looked at dead period and quiet period rules and i didn't see anything regarding statements from the university or anything like that as being a rules violation, only against contact beyond "hello" to recruits. what am i missing as far as any rules being broken?
NCAA rules prohibit coaches, university players and school officials from any public comments about a recruit or their recruiting situation (ie, can't praise a HS coach in a press conf).
Thus the silence on almost anything related to recruiting by coaches until NSD when they'll give a blurb about individual kids.
Have to rely on recruits, their circle of influence and recruiting pundits for news until NSD.
Dawson is in his ear. He comin'...
from what Dawson's whispering...that's some really sweet, sweet nothings...
you really went there. I feel dirty.
I also have no idea what that means, but I'm 100% sure it means Green is coming to Michigan.
COME AT ME, LSAT LOGIC GAMES. They're pretty much the same thing, right?
Was not part of your LSAT prep. Unless of course you were also being sarcastic, in which case, never mind.
It all depends on what "means" means.
It makes sense if you don't think about it.