http://michiganstate.247sports.com/Board/93/Dennis-Finley-offered-by-Mic...
Interesting offer and Spartans are crying again.......
Updated, confirmed by Tom.....
RT @JermainCrowell: Congrats to Dennis Finley on his Michigan offer!
Mike McCray's teammate Reon
Position change?
Think that Reon Dawson offer (plays CB I believe) is a sign that the coaches might be considering moving one of the other CBs to receiver? Lewis is all-state as a receiver and if it looks like treadwell will go elsewhere, perhaps that is why they are offering Dawson. Especially since they are still in the running for a couple other DBs.
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I think that's very likely.
I think that's very likely. All 4 of our DB commits plus Conley had very good seasons on offense this fall. Stribling looks like a great DB so I think he sticks to D and it sounds like Dymonte will as well, and Ross Douglas played RB not WR so he's likely to stick to CB in college. But if Conley recommits, it's very possible he or Lewis end up at WR for us (and it's possible they'd be the best one in the class).
Conley's re-offer is for
Conley's re-offer is for receiver.
Omnia mutantur nos et mutamur in illis.
I hadn't heard that. No
I hadn't heard that. No complaints from me.
I think there's a pretty good
I think there's a pretty good chance that Lewis, Stribling, or Conley ends up at WR. Michigan keeps sinking on Treadwell's list, and we still need another WR, in my opinion, whether it's a new offeree or a guy changing positions in the 2013 class.
"hoke is o-fer on MSU
"hoke is o-fer on MSU commits! Going after our recruits, must be feeling the pressure of MSU rising."
lol
Haha...I needed a good laugh
Haha...I needed a good laugh after my long day today...thank you for posting that!
Lloyd Brady is my homeboy...for real he is!
if
They are rising, they aren't doing it on the right direction. Unless....is the buffalo wild wings bowl above the capital one bowl now?
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It's not so much about what
It's not so much about what bowl there in, as much as them being in the "We needed to beat Minnesota on the last week of the season just to make a bowl" bowl.
and to add
To more than just bowls, is 6 wins more than 10? Is that rising?
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Well, buffalo wild wings do
Well, buffalo wild wings do taste better than capital one cards..
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Yes, but with your Capital
Yes, but with your Capital One card you can buy some real food.
like
a bloomin' onion.
Warning: My imagination is inefficient.
Not exactly what I was
Not exactly what I was suggesting, but given their menus, I would certainly prefer Outback to BW3, unless I was specifically in the mood for wings.
Now if only we were in the STK bowl, then we'd be talking.
BDubs has better food than
BDubs has better food than Outback?...so their bowl is better than our bowl
3-3-5 til the day I die y'all
Bowls named after restaurants
Bowls named after restaurants or websites are generally the bottom of the barrel. It's always funny the first time I randomly flip on ESPN2 in mid-December, see a MAC team playing a CUSA team, and think, "huh, I didn't realize that bowl games had started already."
There is nothing Dicktonio is
There is nothing Dicktonio is doing in his recruiting that is making Michigan feel pressure to go after their recruits!!!
Pro-tip
Pro-tip: avoid derogatory nicknames like Urban Liar, Dicktonio, etc.
The more you know...
Spartan fans
I see from reading some of the comments on the 247 Spartan board about this offer, that many Spartan fans are upset with Hoke and very cleverly resorting to weight and eating jokes. It is not quite as clever as "scUM" and "Walmy", though
We're not teaching them about sports, we're teaching them about life!
I give up, what does "Walmy"
I give up, what does "Walmy" mean?
I don't know for sure, but I
I don't know for sure, but I am speculating it has something to do with WalMart
Walmy
It refers to if you're a "Walmart Wolverine" and they shorten that to "Walmy" or sometimes they say you are a "WAlverine fan" (so clever!).
It is quite scary how obsessed MSU fans are with this giant retailer that I sometimes think they are paid by Walmart to create buzz marketing by constantly randomly mentioning their company on the internet when talking college sports.
We're not teaching them about sports, we're teaching them about life!
Walmart employs about 1/3
of Spartan alums as greeters, so that must be the connection.
you know
What I never got? Why does Wal-Mart sell sparty clothes when everyone knows that all spartans actually went to state! That's a fact! They should stick to selling scUM clothes for all the walvies!!
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putdowns
The continued use of the oh-so-clever (/s) scUM tells me all I need to know about the majority of the fans at MSU and OSU. That's apparently the best they can do after who-knows-how-many years.
"500 channels and nothing but cats."
Interesting offer given the
Interesting offer given the Dawson (Finley's teammate) situation. Maybe this will give him a little nudge?
Wasn't this the kid that visited Michigan multiple times hoping for an offer? I could be thinking of someone else...
Interesting...
is this offer: 1) a way of showing respect to a talented instate kid at a "feeder" program, 2) a way to help get Dawson back in the fold, 3) or just a sincere effort to add him to our program?
I'm sure more people will say its 3, but I wonder if 1 & 2 are even a factor.
I was thinking it is a
I was thinking it is a combination of all three with 1) and 2) factoring more than 3).
3-3-5 til the day I die y'all
just for discussion's sake
Maybe Hoke is putting a little heat on Dawson?
Ehh.
I don't think #2 is valid here. Every analyst close to Michigan recruiting has been adament that coaches are taking 5 offensive lineman and no more. If anything this might be a negative indicator of where the coaches think we stand with our other offerees, Dawson included. If Finley commits to Michigan, that means no Dawson or anyone else for that matter.
Any insight as to whether
Any insight as to whether these kids are interested? I don't love the idea of offering MSU commits (Reschke, now Finley) if we don't know 100 percent that they'll flip; will give the appearance of MSU beating Michigan in something. I'm 100 percent behind Hoke and the staff, but this is strange....
The swag is back.
so
You're worried about offering someone on the chance they won't flip? That's an odd concern. If they don't flip, who cares. Nothing will have changed. If they flip, great.
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Well, I guess my answer is
Well, I guess my answer is that momentum seems to factor into recruiting. Michigan was winning every single head-to-head recruiting battle with MSU in the spring. Fairly or unfairly, this will seem as if MSU has stemmed the tide and is beating Michigan for kids.
It's more of a perception and portrayal thing, but how the program is percieved and portrayed relative to MSU is important to me.
The swag is back.
It's a good idea
to be very skeptical whenever someone brings up "momentum." "Momentum" sort of exists in recruiting, in the sense that good players want to play with other good players (having Shane Morris makes recruiting other guys easier). But this whole notion that kids will go to Michigan State over Michigan (or vice versa) because a school has won a recruiting battle is a giant [citation needed].
There is no time, sir, at which ties do not matter.
why do you
Care how our program is perceived compared to theirs? That's a little brother mentality. That's how they think. Like you said, it is a perception. If we both offer an un-commited kid like mcdowell or gholston, then we have a problem with losing a recruit. Here, it is just taking a stab at a Spartan kid because maybe we have an opening. If it doesn't work, it isn't really a big deal.
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That really matters to you?
That really matters to you? All that matters is who has the better recruiting class at the end of the day. If we offered all of their commits, and none of them flip, so what? Who exactly will think the tide is stemmed when our class is still light years ahead of theirs? And if we do flip one, then that's even more damage we do to them.
If the coaches like these players (and I have to assume they do) then I'm all for it.
If they don't flip...
If tehy don't flip, wouldn't they be the first people in recorded history to have gotten into both Michigan and Michigan State, and not gone to Michigan?
Nope
My best friend turned down M for the MSU honors program (Madison) and smoked himself out of school in 3 semesters. So I don't know who wins there.
You do not smoke yourself out
You do not smoke yourself out of school. As much as that kid (or the people around him) would like to blame weed, that's just not the issue. I smoked a lot of weed in college, but I had three buddies who smoked insane amounts of weed, like multiple times a day, every day. Two of them are investment bankers and the third is a surgeon.
Your friend was out of school in three semesters because he was dumb or lazy, not because he smoked weed.
Maybe it was the weed that
Maybe it was the weed that made him lazy
Not that I really want to get
Not that I really want to get into this, but that's not how it works. If you have a night or two where you got too stoned to do your homework, then the next time do your homework before you smoke weed.
This is no different than blaming video games for flunking out. Are video games evil, or is the kid just stupid who decided to play video games instead of study? Lots of people ruin good things by having ill-ordered priorities, but that's the fault of the person ordering the priorities, not of the priorities themselves.
I was just making a joke. I'm
I was just making a joke. I'm not a smoker so I have no idea how weed affects people but I am a drinker and I suspect that weed is less a detriment to one's studies than alcohol. I say this only because alcohol is more readily available and easier to abuse. Plus you don't have to deal with a hangover after smoking up.
So
So just because it didn't "affect" your studies, that means it can't possibly affect other people?
I don't claim to know all about the subject, but I dislike it when people who smoke try to make excuses that refer to how there are no ill effects.
I agree 100%
Actually, maybe not 100% but mostly. I'm not sure I agree that weed may not play a role in someone flunking out of school. I used to smoke pretty heavy in my college days and am now a Dr. but I had plenty of friends who smoked and ended up dropping out.
Having said that, the portion I absolutely agree with is that you can't blame weed, alcohol, video games etc for a persons problems. If someone can't prioritize effectively enough, that isn't anyones fault but their own. Society has gotten to the point where no one seems to take responsibilty for their actions and whenever a mistake is made, it is always someone (or something) elses fault. People need to take responsibility for their actions.
Now this post is neither to condone nor condemn weed smoking as I am pretty much indifferent to it. My brother in law and sister smoke about 200 dollars worth of it a week (and I'm not even sure how much that will buy you now days, but it used to buy a lot). I would prefer (and hope) my kids stay away from it but if they don't I will make sure they take responsibility for their actions (unlike my brother in law who blames my sister for getting him "hooked" on weed as a 25 year old man).
I would have had I gotten a free ride to MSU
I took some kind of test one weekend in East Lansing when I was a senior that (had I scored better than I apparently did) would have given me a free ride to MSU. I was accepted to every school I applied to except Northwestern.
A free ride for four years was about the only way I was going to go to MSU, though.
I wound up going elsewhere (Miami [NTM]) for a variety of reasons, though.
Where's Charlie Bauman when you need him?
Winning the head-to-head
Winning the head-to-head battles with MSU only matters for fans. I'm sure coaches and recruits don't really care about it.
Greetings from Bolivia.
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Buttefield
Your perception of our recruiting has no effect on the team so we will be ok. Stop being so spartylike.
I don't own any acreage in
I don't own any acreage in Montana. And I don't think it's being Sparty-like to prefer not to read newspaper headlines like "Dantonio fends off Wolverines, Hoke, for two top local recruits."
I prefer there to be no reason for Sparty to ever experience any happiness at our expense, whatsoever.
The swag is back.
I agree with your last
I agree with your last sentence, but that shouldn't affect Hoke's recruitment policy. I would be very upset if my team's HC said to himself, "Gosh, I'd really like that player in my recruiting class, but he's already committed to MSU and if I offer him and he stays with them they might write an article about how he didn't flip and make us look bad so I won't offer him because of that."
Also, keep in mind your headline would end with "but UM still signed the other 8."
Mike McCray's teammate Reon Dawson has been offered, too. He's a cornerback committed to Illinois, and he visited Michigan for the Iowa game.
Twitter - Recruiting Update: June 17