Interesting offer and Spartans are crying again.......
Updated, confirmed by Tom.....
RT @JermainCrowell: Congrats to Dennis Finley on his Michigan offer!
Interesting offer and Spartans are crying again.......
Updated, confirmed by Tom.....
RT @JermainCrowell: Congrats to Dennis Finley on his Michigan offer!
Mike McCray's teammate Reon Dawson has been offered, too. He's a cornerback committed to Illinois, and he visited Michigan for the Iowa game.
Think that Reon Dawson offer (plays CB I believe) is a sign that the coaches might be considering moving one of the other CBs to receiver? Lewis is all-state as a receiver and if it looks like treadwell will go elsewhere, perhaps that is why they are offering Dawson. Especially since they are still in the running for a couple other DBs.
I think that's very likely. All 4 of our DB commits plus Conley had very good seasons on offense this fall. Stribling looks like a great DB so I think he sticks to D and it sounds like Dymonte will as well, and Ross Douglas played RB not WR so he's likely to stick to CB in college. But if Conley recommits, it's very possible he or Lewis end up at WR for us (and it's possible they'd be the best one in the class).
Conley's re-offer is for receiver.
I hadn't heard that. No complaints from me.
I think there's a pretty good chance that Lewis, Stribling, or Conley ends up at WR. Michigan keeps sinking on Treadwell's list, and we still need another WR, in my opinion, whether it's a new offeree or a guy changing positions in the 2013 class.
"hoke is o-fer on MSU commits! Going after our recruits, must be feeling the pressure of MSU rising."
Haha...I needed a good laugh after my long day today...thank you for posting that!
They are rising, they aren't doing it on the right direction. Unless....is the buffalo wild wings bowl above the capital one bowl now?
It's not so much about what bowl there in, as much as them being in the "We needed to beat Minnesota on the last week of the season just to make a bowl" bowl.
To more than just bowls, is 6 wins more than 10? Is that rising?
Well, buffalo wild wings do taste better than capital one cards..
Yes, but with your Capital One card you can buy some real food.
a bloomin' onion.
Not exactly what I was suggesting, but given their menus, I would certainly prefer Outback to BW3, unless I was specifically in the mood for wings.
Now if only we were in the STK bowl, then we'd be talking.
BDubs has better food than Outback?...so their bowl is better than our bowl
Bowls named after restaurants or websites are generally the bottom of the barrel. It's always funny the first time I randomly flip on ESPN2 in mid-December, see a MAC team playing a CUSA team, and think, "huh, I didn't realize that bowl games had started already."
Pro-tip: avoid derogatory nicknames like Urban Liar, Dicktonio, etc.
The more you know...
I see from reading some of the comments on the 247 Spartan board about this offer, that many Spartan fans are upset with Hoke and very cleverly resorting to weight and eating jokes. It is not quite as clever as "scUM" and "Walmy", though
I give up, what does "Walmy" mean?
I don't know for sure, but I am speculating it has something to do with WalMart
It refers to if you're a "Walmart Wolverine" and they shorten that to "Walmy" or sometimes they say you are a "WAlverine fan" (so clever!).
It is quite scary how obsessed MSU fans are with this giant retailer that I sometimes think they are paid by Walmart to create buzz marketing by constantly randomly mentioning their company on the internet when talking college sports.
What I never got? Why does Wal-Mart sell sparty clothes when everyone knows that all spartans actually went to state! That's a fact! They should stick to selling scUM clothes for all the walvies!!
The continued use of the oh-so-clever (/s) scUM tells me all I need to know about the majority of the fans at MSU and OSU. That's apparently the best they can do after who-knows-how-many years.
Interesting offer given the Dawson (Finley's teammate) situation. Maybe this will give him a little nudge?
Wasn't this the kid that visited Michigan multiple times hoping for an offer? I could be thinking of someone else...
is this offer: 1) a way of showing respect to a talented instate kid at a "feeder" program, 2) a way to help get Dawson back in the fold, 3) or just a sincere effort to add him to our program?
I'm sure more people will say its 3, but I wonder if 1 & 2 are even a factor.
I was thinking it is a combination of all three with 1) and 2) factoring more than 3).
Maybe Hoke is putting a little heat on Dawson?
I don't think #2 is valid here. Every analyst close to Michigan recruiting has been adament that coaches are taking 5 offensive lineman and no more. If anything this might be a negative indicator of where the coaches think we stand with our other offerees, Dawson included. If Finley commits to Michigan, that means no Dawson or anyone else for that matter.
You're worried about offering someone on the chance they won't flip? That's an odd concern. If they don't flip, who cares. Nothing will have changed. If they flip, great.
to be very skeptical whenever someone brings up "momentum." "Momentum" sort of exists in recruiting, in the sense that good players want to play with other good players (having Shane Morris makes recruiting other guys easier). But this whole notion that kids will go to Michigan State over Michigan (or vice versa) because a school has won a recruiting battle is a giant .
Care how our program is perceived compared to theirs? That's a little brother mentality. That's how they think. Like you said, it is a perception. If we both offer an un-commited kid like mcdowell or gholston, then we have a problem with losing a recruit. Here, it is just taking a stab at a Spartan kid because maybe we have an opening. If it doesn't work, it isn't really a big deal.
That really matters to you? All that matters is who has the better recruiting class at the end of the day. If we offered all of their commits, and none of them flip, so what? Who exactly will think the tide is stemmed when our class is still light years ahead of theirs? And if we do flip one, then that's even more damage we do to them.
If the coaches like these players (and I have to assume they do) then I'm all for it.
If tehy don't flip, wouldn't they be the first people in recorded history to have gotten into both Michigan and Michigan State, and not gone to Michigan?
My best friend turned down M for the MSU honors program (Madison) and smoked himself out of school in 3 semesters. So I don't know who wins there.
You do not smoke yourself out of school. As much as that kid (or the people around him) would like to blame weed, that's just not the issue. I smoked a lot of weed in college, but I had three buddies who smoked insane amounts of weed, like multiple times a day, every day. Two of them are investment bankers and the third is a surgeon.
Your friend was out of school in three semesters because he was dumb or lazy, not because he smoked weed.
Maybe it was the weed that made him lazy
Not that I really want to get into this, but that's not how it works. If you have a night or two where you got too stoned to do your homework, then the next time do your homework before you smoke weed.
This is no different than blaming video games for flunking out. Are video games evil, or is the kid just stupid who decided to play video games instead of study? Lots of people ruin good things by having ill-ordered priorities, but that's the fault of the person ordering the priorities, not of the priorities themselves.
I was just making a joke. I'm not a smoker so I have no idea how weed affects people but I am a drinker and I suspect that weed is less a detriment to one's studies than alcohol. I say this only because alcohol is more readily available and easier to abuse. Plus you don't have to deal with a hangover after smoking up.
So just because it didn't "affect" your studies, that means it can't possibly affect other people?
I don't claim to know all about the subject, but I dislike it when people who smoke try to make excuses that refer to how there are no ill effects.
Actually, maybe not 100% but mostly. I'm not sure I agree that weed may not play a role in someone flunking out of school. I used to smoke pretty heavy in my college days and am now a Dr. but I had plenty of friends who smoked and ended up dropping out.
Having said that, the portion I absolutely agree with is that you can't blame weed, alcohol, video games etc for a persons problems. If someone can't prioritize effectively enough, that isn't anyones fault but their own. Society has gotten to the point where no one seems to take responsibilty for their actions and whenever a mistake is made, it is always someone (or something) elses fault. People need to take responsibility for their actions.
Now this post is neither to condone nor condemn weed smoking as I am pretty much indifferent to it. My brother in law and sister smoke about 200 dollars worth of it a week (and I'm not even sure how much that will buy you now days, but it used to buy a lot). I would prefer (and hope) my kids stay away from it but if they don't I will make sure they take responsibility for their actions (unlike my brother in law who blames my sister for getting him "hooked" on weed as a 25 year old man).
I took some kind of test one weekend in East Lansing when I was a senior that (had I scored better than I apparently did) would have given me a free ride to MSU. I was accepted to every school I applied to except Northwestern.
A free ride for four years was about the only way I was going to go to MSU, though.
I wound up going elsewhere (Miami [NTM]) for a variety of reasons, though.
Winning the head-to-head battles with MSU only matters for fans. I'm sure coaches and recruits don't really care about it.
Your perception of our recruiting has no effect on the team so we will be ok. Stop being so spartylike.
I agree with your last sentence, but that shouldn't affect Hoke's recruitment policy. I would be very upset if my team's HC said to himself, "Gosh, I'd really like that player in my recruiting class, but he's already committed to MSU and if I offer him and he stays with them they might write an article about how he didn't flip and make us look bad so I won't offer him because of that."
Also, keep in mind your headline would end with "but UM still signed the other 8."
It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong, and I mean that.
I see where you're coming from, but it would be a bigger concern if Hoke and Dantonio where neck and neck on the recruitment trail. They're not. If Dawson recommits, M has 4 of the top 5 in-state commits, and ND has the 5th. MSU's top out of state commit is Shane Jones, from Ohio. Michigan has 6 commits ranked higher than him from Ohio alone.
If perception is what you're worried about - we got it.
And I am pretty sure Shane Jones went on the record to say Michigan told him they weren't taking any other linebackers so they parted ways and his offer was no longer valid. So MSU got their best out of state recruit because Michigan stopped recruiting him.
It may have no effect on the team but perception is reality. With the way the media potrays things in Michigan (oddly favoring State) it just adds to unwanted press and vexatious questions that Hoke has to deal with. I believe it brings about a good question which is what do the coaches want to accomplish with these offers? These players certainly won't flip when you look at their family ties to State and the length of time they've been committed. With the way offers have been coming out it looks as though the coaches have lost their standing with the players they covet most.
If perception is reality, then people should be able to perceive that Michigan is getting the better recruits, that Michigan went 8-4 this year (better than MSU), and the most recent game was won by Michigan.
"Losing" a couple recruits to MSU means less than the above factors I listed.
State has proven that getting the better recruits hasn't meant much in the past. Your average fan doesn't seem to buy into the hype of the recruiting sites and rankings like the true fanatics do.
As for the on field success, it looked as though the programs were on equal footing (with reference to head to head) when they met this year so why would it look as though Michigan is that much better? The two losses that they have that Michigan does not are Iowa and NW. Iowa was clear cut but NW was made possible by divine grace.
Unfortunately, those "better recruits" were poorly coached by Rich Rodriguez. If you pair better recruits with good coaching, the Carr + Hoke years have been pretty successful. They're 6-6 this year and were 11-3 last year, bringing their record during Hoke's tenure to 17-9. Hoke is 19-6 in that time. I'm not saying Hoke is dominating the series or anything, but there's really nothing you can look at right now and say "MSU is the superior program." Recruiting, winning, etc. is all in Michigan's favor at the moment.
Playing devil's advocate is a tall order when it comes to State so I think I'll stop and go for my evening run. Toodles!
As was pointed out by some other posters when Reschke was first offered, it may have something to do with cultivating relationships with HS coaches and programs. Reschke is a better example of this than Finley, but it could hold true nonetheless.
HS coaches could look at the lack of a scholarship offer to a player they consider deserving as an insult or a snub. If you want to get back in with another of their players in a few years, they might be less than inviting.
I wish I could highlight your post. You hit the nail on he head
I agree with the premise but if that is the case then why wait to offer so late in the process? National recruits are one thing but players with such close proximity is another.
IIRC there were rumors that Reschke and his coaches were taking offense to the lack of offer, and the offer was somewhat of a response rather than a premeditated "get in good wi e coaches" type of thing.
Coaches also stopped by to see junior wr Asantay Brown from Muskegon. He had 45 catches for 800+ yards and 11 touchdowns. Highlights looked good as they should, but we'll see how he develops.
Speaking of West Michigan Junior WRs, the coaches are apparently still after MSU WR commit, Drake Harris. He is also being recruited heavily by Saban and somewhat by Kiffin and Stoops. A lot may depend how well his basketball season goes this winter.
He his the best WR prospect to come out of Michigan in at least a decade. I'm not surprised the top programs are coming after him. He a man among boys as a high school Junior. He just needs to gain some weight and a S & C program once he gets to college
Best in at least a decade? Maybe one of the best, but I'd certainly argue Burbridge is better and mayb DeAnthony Arnett as well.
Don't forget Harris did set the MHSAA record for most receiving yards in a season, and he did so facing quite a difficult schedule. Charles Rogers could also be in the discussion for best prospect, but of course he came out of high school more than a decade ago.
My personal opinion is this: He wants to play for Tom Izzo real bad. When he committed, he didn't forsee himself having THIS much success in football also. He has to, in the back of his mind, be wondering what it would be like to play football for national programs like USC, Oklahoma, or Michigan. I believe he'll see how this season plays out for basketball. If has a great year, I think he sticks with MSU.
I believe Izzo was recruiting Harris before Dantonio.
Izzo has been recruiting him since he was a freshmen, and I am sure that is still Drake's no-doubt number 1 coach he wishes to play for. After he had a breakout season in football his sophomore year (2011 season), coaches around the country started taking notice. And then after the record -breaking season he had this past fall has confirmed football coaches/scouts' opinions on Drake's amazing talent, he has been getting recruited heavily by the programs I mentioned. I heard Saban has been slamming him with letter after letter, like he is known to do.
The fact that he committed to Michigan this past summer, after his breakout football season, makes me think he still ends up at MSU (duh, he's committed there!), but I just wouldn't be surprised if he is at least considering football at another school.
national attention might re-open the thought process. Young talent also says this isn't a flash in the pan winter in AA.
Never thought I'd say it, but b-ball might be a bigger draw than f-ball ...
Beilein never offered Harris. Only Hoke.
late to offer compared to Izzo. My error.
I'll hold out hope that Beilein offers this winter as Drake tears it up and Hoke lands him on a f-ball scholarship. I never thought Dawson would have a 2nd round with us....
I also forgot RoJo. He's certainly the best WR to come out of Michigan in the last decade, and I don't think Drake Harris is at his level.
Whatever happened to RoJo? Is he even in the NFL?
Going from 10-2 in 2011 to 6-6 in 2012—including a loss to Michigan—is "rising."
We should offer Delano Hill while we're at it.
I'd bet they do if they miss on McQuay, I am kinda surprised they haven't. Of course they could see him as a lesser Dymonte in the big safety mold.
I've heard some not-so-glowing reports on Hill. I don't know that Michigan should go that direction...
With that amount of vagueness it must have to do with character. I won't expect you to elaborate.
the appearance of beating us? who cares, we'll offer - let them decide.
I do not peruse RCMB, but I read what many posters here have to say about the content of their postings. I just read the thread the OP included, and my brain actually hurts now because of it. That was the most illogical and low-level thinking I've encountered in quite some time. One poster makes a comment on how long till UofM has additional sanctions and Hoke is fired because "something is fishy.". Typically an ill-received remark here on MGo, even when made about schools widely known to have potentially "fishy" activities being reported, this poster just seems to create his own reality. If anything, many MGoBloggers frustration with "slow" ends to recruiting classes and misses on big name targets seem in completely opposition to this idiots ramblings.
Well, now I'm rambling … but wow.
How did you read the OP? It's VIP content
"I just read the thread the OP included" means he read the thread that was linked by the OP of this thread.
ah, for some reason i read it as "I just read the thread and, the OP included, it was the most illogical.."
Ken725 is correct. I was referring to the thread we are commenting in. My apologies, I should have made it more clear.
The scary thing is this Spartan genius has the right to vote and operate motor vehicles on the public roadways.
Trieu from scout says he doesn't think Finley will flip. Interesting decision.
The VIP content from the linked thread has a quote from Crowell (Cass Tech Assistant Coach) that says he won't decommit. I believe the quote was "He's State all the way"
Could any of this just be part of the recruiting game...? Based on the MSU guys offered they seem pretty solid, but when you think about it we are recruiting a lot of the same 2014 kids. By offering a couple guys you know you are not Likly to get you may build bridges with coaches and now MSU staff may need to spend more time doubling back on recruiting their own guys which means less focus they can place on the 2014 head to heads...And that may be all achieved by sending out offers you know you won't be taken up on...
Or maybe they really do want these kids, just a thought that there may be some other motivations with some offers.
Finley's Cass Tech though, It's hard to think that there's anything more the coaches can do to solidify relationships there.
I would expect us to focus on major targets for the next 4 weeks and finish with the local kids if we don't succeed nationally.
Kendall Fuller? Eddie Vanderdoes? Dee Liner? Laremy Tunsil? Sebastian Larue? Montravious Adams? EJ Levenberry? Ty Isaac? Jalen Ramsey? Jordan Wilkins?
Hurdles to land them but we should flip at least one especially with USC, Auburn, Va Tech isses. Any one would upgrade our class.
Think it is unlikely they'll flip. I also think that Hoke is watching how well someone would be a fit in the culture of the team. You want guys who want to be at Michigan, who have the right character set.
Hoke should offer Dantonio a spot on the staff
offer. After reading some of the comments on that MSU board, I find it interesting how they believe that Hoke is breaking the unwritten rule by offering commited prospects. I wonder how many of our prospects have MSU offers?
MSU commits offered by UM
So what does that make Dantonio?
First of all, do you know that Dantonio offered them after they were M commits?
Not that it matters, since you can offer anyone until signing day. So I don't think that makes Dantonio a dick, it just makes those message board posters idiots (surprise of the century, I know).
That is a picture of a dick...here, I was thinking it was a tuber of some kind
After all of those fake punts and field goals I am not at all surprised to see that Mark has a large set.
Purely speculation but any chance that Michigan is getting word that Dantonio and/or Narduzzi are getting approached for job opportunities? The staff may be trying to get in before the word gets out. Just a potential reason?
Well, Kirby Smart is interviewing for head coaches at Alabama...
Maybe Narduzzi can go there. Or maybe Saban will hire Dantonio as his DC and those two can go make out down in Tuscaloosa. The similarities between Saban and Dantonio are pretty stark, in my opinion. Right down to the fact that I hate them both.
I agree. I wouldn't be shocked if Jeff Long approached Dantonio, honestly. Yes, Long is a Michigan alum but he seems to fit. His name was rumored a couple months ago but things have quieted down. Narduzzi was originally linked to the BC opening as well.
Dantonio is just too cranky, conservative and cardiac risky for SEC.
Can you imagine the meet-and-greet with big boosters and Dantonio trying to show enthusiasm in leading Soo Pig? I'd pay to watch the discomfort.
*head coaching jobs
It would be named Nark Sambonio
Can't be Tennessee, they've got Jon Gruden locked up.
(that's still a thing, right?)
but Gary Busey's essay portion gave him the edge.
I have heard from someone very close to the Harris situation, that his focus is almost completely on football now. He was even considering quiting basketball to focus on refining his skills and getting bigger for the upcoming football season. Also, MSU seems to be sliding more and more with every letter he gets from Saban, Kiffen, Kelly, Hoke etc.
That kid has a lot more upside on the football field anyway. 6'4" shooting guards are a dime a dozen, but 6'4" WRs are a rarity. Here's to hoping he ends up at not-State.
didn't help the MSU cause. Like the movie Inception, these little thoughts grow bigger with time.
Maybe our missing on Treadwell will encourage Shane to pursue Drake as his go-to-guy.
We've heard these same rumors actually, but it's all smoke right now and no fire.
I'd be okay with him trying. He should totally go after morris
Am I the only person in the world that notices on all messageboards the reasoning for actions gets broken down far too much until it's just conspiracy theory? Simple answer to the question why did the coaches offer these guys, the coaches want them on the team. Ermagerhd! I can't believe I solved it! Now how bout we leave this nonsense to Skip Bayless and get back to sports talk?
Edit- okay it moved on to sports talk, I should have read the entire thread before getting annoyed with all the conspiracy. I'll leave the stupid post to suffer the wrath it deserves.