Gallon looked like the most impressive wide out.
J/K I always liked Gallon despite his lack of size (sarcasm from older post).
Gallon looked like the most impressive wide out.
J/K I always liked Gallon despite his lack of size (sarcasm from older post).
I like Gallon as long as I don't here back deep for Michigan before his name.
Agreed, but he was very young. I am not really comfortable with any underclassmen out there in that position... which is why I hear more and more about Countess and Morgan possibly getting big minutes this year it makes me SMH a little bit.
Some kids just have a knack for fielding and returning punts. Experience helps, but the goods ones seem to be OK from the start. Hopefully we finally have a good one.
Breaston was pretty awesome as a freshman!
No word on Big Will?
One has to assume that if he is correct about Brink starting at SDE and RVB moving inside, it doesn't look good for Big Will. I really hope he's wrong about this.
You, me and probably just about everyone else. I really hope BWC can be a big time contributor this year. If not, it's not looking good for him for the next two years.
I was very skeptical myself when I started hearing his name, figuring it was typical coaching motivational stuff that often happens during training camp. However, the longer his name keeps being mentioned by the coaches, the greater the chances he'll get significant PT, if not start. Maybe he'll start against WMU, and the staff will evaluate things from there.
I agree that gullibility is a trait of most fanbases including our own, but sometimes the improbable does happen... and be ready to celebrate it when it does.
Look at it this way—every championship team needs bust-their-ass role players who keep a fire lit under everybody else by virtue of their work ethic and spirit. Maybe Brink is one of them for this team right now.
Isn't that what Kovacs is for?
to the real deal.
I think we need to move on from Kovacs the walk on, to Kovacs the smart, gritty (if you must), 3rd year returning starter.
Kovacs is the Novak of football.
I don't know if this Brink situation is the same, but do you remember all the hype about Moundros getting time with the 1s last year at MLB? When it came to actual game time he got very little at MLB and mostly faded towards the end of the year.
All the star system does in recruiting is set false expectations. We trust the star system way too much. BWC isn't a football player. It's obvious when you watch him play. He looks like one in the weight room and pad-less practices. But that isn't football. The quicker people can accept this, the better we all will be with these unfair expectations that a star system placed on a kid.
Do you really think Brady Hoke is going to be a serious contender for the Michigan coaching job of any kind? It's pretty amazing how gullible people are.
not taken command, it doesn't necessarily mean that Brink is less shitty. Perhaps I'm being optimistic, but if Brink is playing like a madman, and he's beating Big Will, I'm willing to hold the anxiety down for now.
RVB will with Brink taking RVB's place at SDE. Brink was talked about again tonight on the BTN preview will BWC was not.
I was waiting on some news about the scrimmage
hmmmmm, that would seem to be bad news about Big Will and Black
Agreed; still hoping Will can be a contributing part of the rotation, but just may never make the leap to clear cut #1 DT. I think Black still has a lot of upside as his issues are not technique related but rather it sounds like he is still short of the weight goal they set for him.
a report that they were also giving Black repetitions at SDE in place of VanBergen. Our best 4 linemen might be Black, VanBergen, Martin and Roh, in which case VanBergen might be playing a lot of DT. Its not my preferred position for him but if it gives us our best defense, you have to go with it.
Man, hope there's a reason BIg Will is not getting mentioned other than he's riding the pine cause he can't cut it. Moving RVB inside and starting a walk-pn is not ideal. Panic button?
The best players will see the field and if he performs better than BWC then put him on the field..By all accounts he has been a monster on defense so far
I feel like in the age of recruitniks and Jason Stark minor league talent evaluation gospels, people are so adverse to having someone on the field that wasn't as higly rated 4 years ago.
If he is beating out BWC and Black, it may very well be b/c his skill, technique and work ethic are best for the position instead of the assumed lack of those things from the other suitors.
Of course that could be. How likely is it, though? People are always right to worry when guys who have been in the program for awhile are getting beat out by a freshman walk-on they know next to nothing about.
Just the fact that we would be moving RVB is cause for concern.
Obviously, without any real word from the coaching staff and/or any actual visuals of his performance there is concern. I was responding to the specific quote "Panic button?". There is a difference between concern and panic.
"Donnie, I wouldn't have bet on it, but you made it. You never quit. But I'm sure you recognize now that this is a big man's game, and you're just too small." — Bo Schembechler
Is the name coinidence? Or has "the greatest player" Bo ever coached been among us all this time, and I didn't relize it?
I loved reading it the first time, and loved reading it again. You can't underestimate heart, desire, and toughness. If that's what Brinks brings, and if BWC doesn't have enough of those, well, then I want Brinks to play, and BWC shouldn't play.
and learning how to play low, with leverage, is a difficult thing to do for anyone who doesn't have it naturally. Maybe you just have that ability or you don't. BWC's a big kid and a great athlete for his size, but it just may be that it's tough to find a position on the field for him given the lack of that skill.
By all accounts he worked this offseason, he lost the weight and came in the way the coaches wanted him to - this shows heart, desire, and toughness.
1973. Donnie didn't have to line up against 300 + monsters. I am all for toughness and heart. However, if Michigan is starting a 264 lb DT, that is going to be scary.
I believe in the scrimmage they were having RVB move down to DT and Brink was playing DE. RVB is 290 which isn't that small for a DT and Brink is a 265lb DE with that lineup. If I had to guess BWC will still start at DT but they are working on different combos for when he needs a break so they can have the best players in at the same time.
That must have been a great series of articles. Sorry I missed them.
VanBergen is moving inside and Brink will play SDE.
The NFL has a ton of players that were not highly recruited in college. Look at any roster and see all the small schools listed.
Always a fun activity to see the alma mater of a variety of teams in the playoffs or Super Bowl...stunning at all the Wake Forest and Duke players on SB teams...
Green Bay Packer Clay Matthews (I believe). Some guys develop late, some don't develop. If Brink is bringing it, let's unleash him. I know BWC has been working hard, but maybe he needs a bigger push.
He wasn't suspended by the NFL for steroids or anything:
A good example of a late bloomer would be someone like Johnny Knox - Div 2 college to the pros
I don't think Clay Matthews was suspended by the NFL for steroid use. Do you really think Nike would sign him to a deal if that was the case?
I think he's a great example. Former USC walk-on to NFL first round pick to defensive rookie of the year and defensive player of the year. I'd take that progression out of Brink!
Unfortunately, likely a pipe dream. It's happened before though.
Since when does hoping we don't have to start a freshman walk-on on the D-line = having something against walk-ons?
Well good thing we don't have to start a freshman walk-on, Brink is going into his Junior year (RS SO). This was not a comment on who I would rather see start, because that would not be Brink in a normal situation.
Maybe we're reading this the wrong way. Mattison said he wanted 6 "starters" on the d-line. So maybe Big Will is good to go and brink is getting extra time with the 1's to get ready for the season because he is a freshman?
Brink's in the same year academically as BWC is...
Maybe it's just a ploy to challenge BWC but from the sounds of things Brink is good enough to garner significant playing time and BWC isn't yet.
Brink is a RS sophmore
Probably time to see this for what it appears to be - BWC isn't there yet. The hype arc this year tracks remarkably similar to last. And when they're moving guys around in order to put better production at that position, the conclusions are obvious.
the reason why he is not being mentioned is becaues he played sparingly with the 2's and saw work on special teams. I hardly saw him play at all and was watching pretty intently, it was an awesome atomsphere at the scrimmage though, I was next to Matt Godin and Taylor Lewan's dad (who is huge) for the duration.
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Seriously, please start a new thread just with your thoughts and observations from the scrimmage. This would be immensely interesting for all of us who are craving information about the weekend. Thanks!
Also read via Rivals that Marvin Robinson was just blowing guys up.
MOAR SCRIMMAGE INSIDERZ!!!!!!
What happend to FormerWolv? I know he gave us a bunch of insider knowledge last year during this time and I saw him comment a few weeks back that was sort of implying he may do the same thing this year (maybe my optmisim read too much into his post though).
In the little action Fitz has seen he's looked good. As long as he's been healthy it doesn't surprise me that his name is being mentioned...
Please please please be healthy. I have been on the Touissant bandwagon from day 1. I am pretty surprised no one expects him to win the starting role. He has moves, power and speed. If he stays healthy, he is our best running back, I think.
I still think Shaw will get the start because of his experience. I don't think Hopkins or Rawls bring as much to the table as Shaw and Touissant.
If you're on Toussaint's bandwagon, you should know how to spell his name.
Sam Webb said this morning that as of right now, he thinks Brink would start over BWC.
got a crack at #1 SDE over VanBergan is a testament to the camp he is having so far...b/c that shouldn't happen on gameday. Also, I hope BWC can hold him off for DT b/c Brink is just not heavy enough. I can't see him taking VB's spot, but what this shows is that, hopefully, he has the ability to back up both spots on the line, which gives us flexibility and (!!!) DEPTH!
I don't think he was starting over RVB, but he got to play SDE cause Ryan might need to fill the hole at DT.
Sam said his guess is that the starting line as of today would be Roh at WDE, Martin at the 1-tech, RVB at the 3-tech, and Brink at SDE.
Cliff Notes that I got from the scrimmage
- Defense looks great at times, other times not so much, Denard sometimes carves them up and other times they flat out shut him down (d had 4 picks in the scrimmage)
- Kovacs has locked up a starting position (for now) Marvin Robinson had 4 monster hits that pumped up the D, but until he can be in the right spot at the right time he will not be an every down player
- Demens has been THE MAN, but was flat out run over by Shaw (yay!!) in the scrimmage, observers say something has finally clicked and he is playing well
- Freshman who WILL play, Morgan, Clark, Countess (competing to start) and Beyer
- BWC was solid in the scrimmage but if season started today Brink is your starter
- Incase you are a mongoloid and havent realized is already, Denard is fast, he should have a monster year and is really learning that when a play breaks down to tuck and run.
- Gallon "has been incredible lately" and looks jacked, has been really good after the catch
- Other receivers that looked good were Roundtree, Hemmingway, Jeremy Jackson, and Dileo
Pick six. I almost forgot what that was.
Also known as "TAINT" - touchdown after interception. I believe this term was agreed upon at some point last year.
I know of something else known as "TAINT". I like this one way more.
Nice summary of the Rivals material
I realize Countess is freshman, and it's not the best situation to have a freshman start, etc. etc. However, after two years of having the top CB prospect of the class (Turner and Christian) fail to live up to expectations, I am very excited to hear that so far Countess is on track to be a productive, and perhaps even star player. It is a much welcome change.
I'm okay with Freshman starters if they're just that good. It's scary when Cam Gordon switches positions to start the season at safety as a RS Freshman because there isn't another option.
At least we had Avery who was not as hyped as Turner or Christian, but preformed adequately as a freshman.
Think you could find a different word than "mongoloid" next time? This is an out dated word with negative connotations to it. As someone with a mentally disabled family member I find it insulting. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that maybe you thought it was funny, without realizing the negativity some feel towards that word
and I have never even heard that word.
Stop hypersensitive political correctness.
It is an older word, not typically used to day as it is considered derogatory. It typically has to do with people that have Downs Syndrome. It was used to describe them as they have the same epicanthic fold of the eyelid that most Asian peoples have. It is not a term I would have people use in 2011.
Beat me to it..
Probably a good word to let die off then.
Jump to 1:24 (I can't figure out how to link to the time with an embedded video). Great series, in case you don't know it.
Edit: Just to clarify, I mean no disrespect to anyone with a mental disability of any kind, I just love Extras and Stephen Merchant's obliviousness. And the male co-host biting on the challenge is awesome too. Check out the very end of the clip, if you're interested.
I think of mongoloid as a term so outdated and old-timey that it really has ceased to be offensive.
I first came across the term in "Confederacy of Dunces" ... I believe Ignatius drafts some business correspondence to someone as [Name], mongoloid, esq.
Anyway, if hardly anyone still knows what the hell the word means, it seems a stretch to deem it offensive, IME.
Matt Dillon's character refers to a "retarded" kid named "Mongo" to show how unaware he is of the proper nomenclature of our time. Pretty funny but only because the joke is on Matt Dillon for being so stupid. Maybe some still don't find it funny...
If they'd dominated like they did in the spring, everyone would be concerned about the O. Denard should carve up a defense, even a good one. I'll take what I'm hearing so far.
Kovacs/Robinson, Woolfolk/Avery/Floyd/Countess, Carvin/Gordon, Gordon/Ryan, Roh/Black... we have some depth. We even have a few LB's
What position is Clark playing?
They are using him as a rush defensive end. I suspect mostly WDE.
Correct. Clark's at WDE and Beyer's at SAM. They pretty much just swapped the positions for the two of them in terms of what we thought they'd be.
DB: Woolfolk (S - though whether CB or FS remains to be seen), Kovacs (S), Avery, Floyd, T. Gordon, Countess, Robinson, Johnson
wait... we can play 8 DBs? WHY DID WE NOT DO THIS LAST YEAR?
We ran a 3-3-5, right?
Because we didn't have 8 DBs?
Hawthorne might figure into the WLB spot.
Is there any word on someone actually being a competant punt returner this season?
Returning punts the last couple years has caused me just as much stress as the field goal kicking.
Wow, you read the Rivals premium info and regurgitated it all here. Hooray for you.
Shaw has been taking lessons from Brandon Minor.
Toussaint is someone I've been wanting to see since he was a freshman. I'd really like to see him fighting with Cox to be in the mix behind Shaw. Guys are going to get dinged up, so a solid rotation doesn't bother me one bit.
Really I think we have a lot of guys that should be solid, we just haven't seen it yet either due to injury or youth. Looking forward to seeing how things play out.
Great to hear Morgan is doing so well. I really think this kid will impress even more in game situaltions if he can get some time, which it sounds like he very well might.
Having watched him play since he was a sophmore in HS I've been impressed all along. I think he'll be a classic Michigan linebacker that we'll all enjoy watching for years to come.
Great work Des, keep it up.
Glad Shaw is running with rage.
I appreciate not having to comment on the blog with it.
only thing I'll mention is talk of a true frosh running with the 1s at Will.
Woop, not intentional. Well if the OP didn't get his info from there, then at least I can say it seems there is little conflict in information.
My insider info tells me a running back whose name sounds like Titz Foussaint is looking "solid."
Or does "Titz Foussaint" sound like a stripper from the 70s? Or maybe a Bond Girl?
"Tits pounds it in for the touchdown!"
I hope we can say this frequently this year.
I'm more of a fan of Cox in this situation. *snicker*
Our RB situation this season will be RIPE FOR PARODY!
Has anyone seen MikeCox? Who wants to see MikeCox?
It's like the old Army team with Mr. Inside and Mr. Outside.
Cox in, Titz out.
/12 years old.
Titz better keep it up, cox is coming...
sounds like a bunch of MANBALL out there. I can't wait until September 3rd. Thanks for the update!
4 INTs? Ugh.
And as far as walk-ons beating out highly regarded scholarship players, it's happens every year at one program or another. Michigan has a rich history of walk-ons becoming starters. Kovacs, for one. Todd Plate immediately comes to mind (from my days and before the majority of you were probably born), Brian Griese was technically a walk-on. Obviously it doesn't happen within the same program every year, but it's not like Haley's Comet either.
I too was worried about that. I know, practice, take it with a grain of salt, blah, blah, blah.
But, last year, we saw Denard struggle with interceptions - the success of our season may depend on how much progress he can make on this front. I expect our D to be improved (significantly), but with the current roster and lack of depth, I don't exactly expect a shut-down defense. Our offense is going to have to help the D out plenty, not just by scoring points, but by not turning the ball over.
From what I hear, Denard threw two picks off deflections and Devin threw two straight up picks.
Is it possible that Denard maybe forced some throws that he wouldn't normally make because the coaches didn't want him running all that much?
I'm sure he had a red jersey on and wasn't being tackled, but from a practice standpoint for the defense as well as the O-line and receivers, it seems like making them finish the play rather than two-hand-touch a scrambling Denard is probably for the best.
Just wishful thinking maybe?
Some guys just mature a bit later (physically and/or mentally), don't get the hype...regardless they can be solid players stop focusing on stars
Thus message brought to you by unranked 2 star LeVeon Bell and walk-on Jordan Kovacs.
I hope Nathan blows up for us, it sounds lime he is playing his tail off. If he beats out BWC then props and congrats to him. I want the team out there that gives us the best shot to win.
if he can only stay healthy. Love our stable of backs, but I'd like to see the senior bust loose. Dude's got some home run speed, plus he could give my Mike Hart jersey a second chance at life.
Also, even if they only call Denard's number half as often, I still say he could go >1,000 yards if he learns to take off when receivers aren't open. With six or so dropped in coverage, he could easily break off some long ones.
If a walk-on is at SDE and van Bergen is the three-tech, that's really really bad news for more than one guy than just big Will. It means that we dont' have a scholarship SDE who can play ahead of a walk-on, and it also means that Richard Ash and Quinton Washington are not good enough to rotate into the first string somehow.
Or it is good news because we have a walk-on capable of starting over 4* scholarship linemen. Proof will be in the pudding.
Going by recent history and the fact that we never heard of this guy until last week, I would suggest that you default to worst case unless you see differently. Van Bergen is undersized at DT, so that right there is a troubling sign for Big Will, Ash, and Washington.
Recent history got canned. There's a new Sheriff in town.
Van Bergen is now 288 lbs. Compare that with all-everything and possible 1st round pick Jared Crick from Nebraska, and you'll find that Crick is 285 lbs. This is college. Van Bergen isn't that undersized...and even when he was playing DT at 279 lbs. a couple years ago, he picked up 5 sacks.
I think I read on here that the staff intentionally understated RVB's weight gain, and that he is actually closer to 300 #'s. I can't claim to know that this is the truth. If this is the case though, it might show that the plan all along has been to slide RVB inside or to make sure that this would be a viable option if BWC, Q etc. don't pan out. In any case, if the staff is comfortable with RVB sliding inside (either as the starter or as a situations dictate personnel groupings), it provides a lot of flexibility up front.
I'm not going to freak out and say that the other d-line candidates aren't viable(read BWC). After all, this was a scrimmage. I have a feeling we won't truly know who is going to start where and what the personnel groupings will look like until the ND game.
He seems to be a 1-tech and a 1-tech only. BWC, Q, and Wilkins must not be showing up as well as hoped.
But if Brink is outplaying all of them, fortunate that we have him arrive out of nowhere.
If the situation is these guys not showing up, it also raises the question of why this staff would only take 1 true DT in this recruiting class. Sure, Wormley and Godin have the size to move inside to the 3-tech, but I would also like to see one of them stay at 5-tech and get both Pipkens and O'brien. Hopefully Brink is just really showing up and we have less of a problem than we are making it out to be.
Posted the same idea in another thread, though there are throngs of us clamoring for another DT. Seems to me that Strobel and Wormley are ideal SDE's. Godin seems like the perfect fit there as well. One of them will slide, sure, and it's possible that this group will play both positions (with a solid 4 years in a consistent system, this is possible). But it still seems like we need an O'Brien or Shittu.
It's also possible that aaamichfan and ken725 are correct, and Brink is this year's Moundros.
Glad to hear that because I don't think I've ever seen JT Floyd run anyone over.
Isn't Brink undersized for the D-Line? I'm in full support of starting the best players, walk ons or not, but hearing good things about him does not make me feel good about the state of the D-Line (talent-wise).
was that Brink is a bit small for the 5-tech position (Not good with terminology = BWC's slated position) - which is why RVB moved inside and Brink took the SDE position.
The 5-tech is essentially the SDE, the 3-tech was BWC's slated spot.
Brink he a little small for a 3-tech, only a little small for the 5-tech. Considering he's smaller than Roh, who's playing WDE.
if brink is playing as a de he's not undersized, 265 pounds is a good size de. if he's taking bwc's spot as a 3 tech then yeah he's undersized.
Brink didn't get a lot of fancy offers, Recruiting site kudos or VIP treatments on paid visits to Top 10 schools. He also didn't play head games with fans switching hats on televised commitment featurettes. So Brink is kicking some ass and the first words of concern are about his 5- and 4-star position rivals.
I don't know man. Seems to me there's a great lesson in humility here somewhere here for all young athletes. In the end all the grand standing and accolades don't mean diddly squat. You still have to prove it on the field. Its the same in the world of work. Normally you don't earn a promotion and then coast your way to continued career success. More often its all about "so what have you done lately?", which for those who want to stay employed and not be replaced, can be a powerful motivation.
People should be very proud of what Brink is doing and take it for what it is. He's busting his ass. And if his success lights a fire under the asses of others on the team, well then everybody wins.
In every arena of life, there are 3 kinds of people:
The motivation to work hard does not have a direct correlation to physical ability (or other kinds of ability, for that matter.) While it is true that you need athletes with the requisite physical attributes, this only goes so far. Athletes who take marginal talent and max it out through their effort and moxie are to be applauded. I am thrilled to see Brink (& Kovacs, and Donnie Warner, among others) succeed on the field because of their effort. Yes, we obviously want so-called 4 & 5 star talent on the team. But coachable kids with 3 star talent and a ton of heart and the right kind of attitude are the building blocks to a successful team.
I remember how Mike Hart was ripped for coming from a small school, for his size, etc. But he was just awesome in what he did, in his effort, in his work, in all he did. More power to Brink in efforts.
I think Roundtree is the best YAC receiver on the team but in order to get YAC he's gotta hold onto the ball. That was a frustrating part of his game last year and I hope he can get the drops out of his system.
Some of that was on Denard - his touch and accuracy needed some improvement, especially toward the end of last season.
FWIW I don't care where this information was stolen from, I am just happy to finally get some news about the scrimmage. Thanks for the fix OP.
Brink looks like he is going to start. BWC just isn't getting it done on a consistent basis, and that is what the staff has preached over and over the entire camp. Consistency and toughness. I didn't believe the hype until I saw it for myself. The kid can play.
This report is pretty much spot on.
When one is not enough