well that's just, like, your opinion, man
Denard, other rookies discuss Star Trek
increased just a bit. Complete Trekkie here.
Ryan Nassib's comment had me laughing admittedly:
"Once I finished my Milk Duds, I got knocked out."
This is almost as cool as the time Captain Pic...Patrick Stewart conducted the band at halftime during the 2006 Ball State game.
...sorry, it's true...especially the latest installment. Star Wars franchise far better (although last 3 films were CGI abominations).
Really? I thought the CGI was universally hailed as stunning... The screenplay and casting is what sucked the major balls.
...Jar Jar Binks was awesome.
Since JJ Abrams has produced the last two Star Trek and is producing the next Star Wars, I hope you took something positive to what he brought Star Trek.
Star Trek is good! I understand fan boys need to be fan boys! Both Star Trek and Star Wars are good series.
Meh, I prefer the science in my fiction to be non-existant as opposed to magic.
I agree. Star Wars is barely science fiction. It has more in common with Lord of the Rings than it does with Star Trek.
It's more mythological arch-types than Bradbury. But Star Trek attempts to be real, but barely. I'm not sure I see the difference between Warp Speed and Hyperspace. And try scientifically explaining how a transporter is going to work in 200 years. They just needed a cheap way to get people from ship to planet without a lot of expensive shuttle models.
Anything with faster-than-light travel is complete fantasy.
Yep, that Jar Jar Binks was awesome.
I'll go one further: the first two Star Wars movies were good, but Return of the Jedi was pretty crappy. At this point the franchise has produced four pretty disappointing movies out of six IMO.
Princess Leia in a space bikini invalidates your argument.
I'll grant that she was easy on the eyes in that one, but when they changed her from a potential love interest for Luke to his sister, that was just . . . ew.
Made out briefly. I hope they somehow edited it out in the modern versions. Talk about EEEEEEWWWWWW!
Bought both trilogies so I'd finally have my own copies, and it's still there. Honestly I'm not sure you can get rid of it since it's part of that sequence where Han is getting so frustrated before coming back for Leah as the ice starts to cave in. Maybe not an integral plot device, but the evacuation might look weird without it.
If anyone cares, I think it's something like:
IV V III VI II I.
Yes, I realize my placement of IV and V is weird. Whatever.
I was thinking about going to see this. Would I be lost if I have never seen a single eisode or movie?
You wouldn't be lost, though I'd recommend at least seeing the first reboot movie (2009). At most you'll be missing out on a lot of canonical references, but that's not vital to your enjoying the movie.
As a pretty die hard Trek fan, I think it's definitely worth seeing.
You won't be lost. Abrams made it clear that he made the movie for people who aren't Star Trek fans, plus all of the "references" to previous series and movies are almost entirely ones that have become cultural touchstones.
This is very true. I'm a Star Trek fan and these reboot movies are an abomination. They are basically what would happen if you took a beloved franchise and turned it into a generic CGI Action flick.
Also a fan and I don't agree.
These were much worse than the reboots:
Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
Star Trek: Insurrection
Star Trek: Nemesis
I agree...but isn't being better than those movies a little like being the valedictorian at MSU?
I mean, they killed Kirk because he was too fat to hold on. Great way to end a classic character.
I mean, aren't all the movies basically action movie spectacles, because they're, you know, movies? (Other than The Motion Picture...and as you wisely point out, that's not a good thing).
People forget the Original Series was sold and done as "Wagon Train to the Stars." The fact that there was smart tv in addition to adventure is what made it great. I'm just glad they found a way to get back to those original characters, and not give us the latest crew of the latest lesser version of the Enterprise. And they knocked the ball out of the park with casting such iconic character portrayals.
I agree. Not all of the movies can be Wrath of Khan or The Undiscovered Country. For what it's worth, I find the reboot interesting. I like seeing his alternate Star Trek universe. I'll be interested to see if he finds a way for them to force their way back into the timeline of the originals by some "fate" plot device.
All movies should be Wrath of Khan.
A lot of the movies were crap, but Star Trek is first and foremost a television series. Go watch the last four seasons of DS9 and then tell me this movie isn't an atrocity.
Is there a reason you're punishing him?
It was first...I'm not sure if it's formost....you realize the only reason there was a television series of any kind after the first one was because of the movies?
You clearly have never watched DS9 if you think that's a punishment. From season 3 on Deep Space Nine is one of the best television shows of all time.
Everyone argues about Picard and Kirk, but I'm a Sisko guy all the way.
When there is no actual trekking?
Still, Hawk as a captain WAS bad-ass.
I think DS9 is clearly the best series of them all. TNG was very episodic and excellent on its own merits, whereas DS9 was an entire (and epic!) story arc that took place over seven seasons. I think the fact that DS9 is "parked" near Bajor allows the show to dig very deep into issues and subject matter. In this sense there was a lot more political intrigue with so many moving parts, characters and factions with different goals and interests.
Isn't this far more "not Star Trek?" Space, the Final Frontier...these are the voyages of the Starship Enterprise....etc.
And that's another point you bring up....other than the Borg, after the Klingons, Romulans and TOS races, alien bad guys in the Next Generation were lame.
Thank you to both of you.
I guess I'll rent the first one on iTunes to see if I like it and see how I feel about watching this new one.
Not suprised some fell asleep - these guys are probably exhausted from training camp and grab whatever sleep they can.
Should have seen Iron Man.
Meh, I haven't seen Star Trek yet, but Iron Man was a disappointment...
...Iron Man is a much better movie. First JJ Abrams Star Trek reboot was far better than this mess. Even JJ Abrams thinks Star Wars is better...isn't he leaving Star Trek to work on Star Wars?
Yes, but its supposed to be because of movie tie in sales. I think its CBS(?) has the rights to TV show/Star Trek as a whole and Paramount has the rights to the movies/has to lease the rights even though they used to be under the same umbrella.
The TV side keeps selling "classic" merch and it has pissed JJ off because he feels its confusing to the public as those characters (obviously) do not show up in his movies (PS I'm talking Shatner as Kirk).
I have one word for you: Mandarin.
Agree. IM3 was the worst of the lot.
I would have believed powerful alien rings (already established as possible with the Mjolnir, the ice casket and the Tesseract) than taking a drug that in a few hours makes you a cross between the human torch and the wolverine.
And what happend to the armor? He can survive a nuke, Thor's hammer and being chopped up in the world's largest hovercraft engine but in this movie every suit is frail and either melting or falling apart.
...any movie that does this cheap and way too common plot twist has lost me. I don't even like comic book movies, but u r so off on this one.
How many movies are you seeing where people are meeting their future self?
I won't get into ALL the problems with Iron Man 3 here, because no one cares, but if you're biggest problem with a movie is what happened in the movie before it, I'm not sure that really works as criticism.
Seriously, this is you.
Hearing Denard say "Live Long and Prosper" for the first time absolutely made my day!
This was front-paged at the end of UV yesterday
Wow, how PC.
I think what he meant to say is that Star Trek sometimes comes off as less than straight.
And incredibly ironic given that Star Trek, as originally conceived by Rodenberry, was a vehicle for positive social change with its multi-ethnic cast and storylines which often dealt with social issues of the day.
...u have to hate the fact that George Lucas is a Buckeye.
Can't believe I forgot he was a Trojan. Ok...then Star Wars is clearly better than Star Trek in all ways.
Denard is so charismatic. The NFL is going to love this guy.