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September 6th, 2013 at 8:25 AM
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Jimmies were rustled.

Jimmies were rustled.

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September 6th, 2013 at 8:26 AM
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Couches will be burned

somewhere in EL

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September 6th, 2013 at 11:12 AM
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Yeah, but how are they going

Yeah, but how are they going to react to Denard's comment?

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September 6th, 2013 at 11:16 AM
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Ahh, I see what you did

Ahh, I see what you did there.

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September 6th, 2013 at 3:55 PM
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http://www.annarbor.com/news/

http://www.annarbor.com/news/several-fires-set-in-ann-arbor-after-michigan-wolverines-lose-ncaa-final-four-championship-to-louisv/

UM fans probably shouldn't keep making couch burning joes, dont you think? Also, Denard doesn't have any room to make fun of MSU considering his performances against them.

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September 6th, 2013 at 8:29 AM
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September 6th, 2013 at 8:38 AM
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Fantastic post,

I can't stop laughing.

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September 6th, 2013 at 12:25 PM
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What's wrong with beating a

What's wrong with beating a horse?

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September 6th, 2013 at 8:32 AM
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WE

LANDED ON THE MOON. 

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September 6th, 2013 at 9:30 AM
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+1 I'm pretty sure this was

+1

I'm pretty sure this was already discussed.

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September 6th, 2013 at 8:36 AM
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The writer is trolling both schools

The writer of that article starts off by trolling MSU, but by the end he's trolling Michigan.  He's looking to stir the pot...he just wants page views.

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September 6th, 2013 at 8:38 AM
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September 6th, 2013 at 8:41 AM
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Haha!

That's great.

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September 6th, 2013 at 8:57 AM
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Although it is tough to tell,

Although it is tough to tell, I imagine that the little brother is wearing green stripes and that the older brother is, of course, wearing blue and swinging a maize bat.

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September 6th, 2013 at 9:54 AM
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Looking changeup the whole

Looking changeup the whole way.

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September 6th, 2013 at 8:42 AM
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Less filling,

Tastes great.

http://youtu.be/nehhH9rfnaw

 

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September 6th, 2013 at 9:06 AM
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While I think anything that pisses off MSU is funny

It was much better in Mike Hart's case because he was undefeated against MSU.

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September 6th, 2013 at 10:40 AM
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was thinking the same thing

I love Denard, but it sounds a little silly coming from him

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September 6th, 2013 at 11:31 AM
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yep.

furthermore it just sounds silly because not only was denard 1-3 vs. state but also his stats were horrendous against state and I would even go so far as to say that he was the reason we lost a couple of those games...

State owned Denard...  now he wants to call them little bro?

The only funny part of this was how upset some spartans did get, cause they say it doesn't matter, but i does, because they know the four years before last were the anomally...

jdon

 

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September 6th, 2013 at 3:09 PM
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Shoelace,

only started 3 games against sparty,tate started his freshman season.

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September 6th, 2013 at 11:16 AM
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In addition

the context of how Hart used it was perfect.  UM down in the 4th quarter and then scores 2 TD's to win it.

Having a little brother (6 yrs younger) that is very similiar to what I'd do to him when we were playing 1 on 1.  Let him score some to get some confidence and then storm back for the win.

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September 6th, 2013 at 9:12 AM
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heh.

I'm sure the usual 'other fanbase' is taking this all calmly and in the spirit of competition that Denard intended.

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September 6th, 2013 at 9:26 AM
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Kind of souldn't have said

Kind of souldn't have said that when you go 1-3 against MSU and were a field goal from 0-4.

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September 6th, 2013 at 9:27 AM
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I like it

Every Michigan man deserves the right to call State little brother. Until the rivalry switches favors. A four year run is not determinate.

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September 6th, 2013 at 9:27 AM
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weary

of this. Love me some Denard, but we need some clever new ways to troll. 

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September 6th, 2013 at 12:27 PM
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It's still so effective,

It's still so effective, though. I don't use it myself, but I find the outrage created hilarious.

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September 6th, 2013 at 9:28 AM
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Well, they are.

Well, they are.

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September 6th, 2013 at 9:28 AM
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"We take the rivalry from the

"We take the rivalry from the corrupt! The Big Bro! The oppressors of generations who have kept you down with coaches slapping themselves and 49-0 beatdowns, and we give it back to you... the Sparties. MSU is yours. None shall interfere. Do as you please. Start by storming Spartan Stadium, and freeing the oppressed! Step forward those who would serve. For Beer Bongs will be raised. The powerful will be ripped from their decadent dorms, and cast out into the cold world that we know and endure. Couches will be burned. Rioting will be enjoyed. Blood will be shed. The police will survive, as they run out of tear gas. This great campus... it will endure. Sparty will survive!"

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September 6th, 2013 at 9:49 AM
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Just when I thought it wasn't possible to love Denard any more...

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September 6th, 2013 at 9:50 AM
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If they are the

"little brother" they are the little brother that grows up really fast and then kind of works the "big brother" over in games of one on one in the driveway.  This angle on Staee is played.  It also brought about years of wrath against everything Michigan the first time it was said.  Let it go.  Start beating them regularly and then we can just go back to not thinking about them at all.

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September 6th, 2013 at 9:52 AM
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As much

as I love Denard, coffee is for closers.  When you're 1-3 against them this is a bit of a stretch.

However, despite that - it's still true.  Until the end of time, they will always measure their success against how they do compared to us & against UM.

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September 6th, 2013 at 12:29 PM
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You call yourself a salesman

You son of a bitch!?

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September 6th, 2013 at 9:58 AM
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My logic when dealing with

My logic when dealing with Sparty. They don't ackowledge Bobby Williams/John L. I don't acknowledge RRod. We are 1-1 right now. Well 2-1 if you count Lloyd vs Mark.

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September 6th, 2013 at 10:05 AM
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I likes listening to Valenti

I likes listening to Valenti and Foster talk about this. My favorite part was how they (yet again) were suggesting that Michigan fans are a bunch of trolling meatheads and all Sparties are rational and reasonable. And then Valentine says all the time "come on Michigan fans why aren't you calling in?" I wonder...

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September 6th, 2013 at 10:17 AM
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Yeah it was pretty funny to

Yeah it was pretty funny to see him spout off on Twitter how much he doesn't care, then get on the show and say he doesn't care....and then spend like an hour talking about it

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September 6th, 2013 at 10:19 AM
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I have

made the decision that between listening to Valenti and Foster or listening to other even worse radio I am going to listen to them, so I just listen to it for what it is.  After listening to the show for a while, I am actually convinced that they plant calls.  Not just pick the worst take from a Michigan fan but actually have people they know call in as "Michigan fans" and have them give the worst take ever and the Valenti switches to ultra-rational mode that he does not display at any other time.  There are ignorant Michigan fans but some of the callers on that show cannot be legit.  I honestly think they are planted.

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September 6th, 2013 at 10:29 AM
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You are spot on. There is so

You are spot on. There is so much garbage (cough Huge cough) on the radio in the afternoons that is all I can listen to, and I have suspected the same thing. I have heard a couple of rational fans slip through and before they can even finish whatever point they were making they get shouted down and hung up on.

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September 6th, 2013 at 2:35 PM
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Just shut it off when he gets like that.

The other day he was like "OK, I'll keep it real, and the big picture; since joining the Big Ten the record between Michigan and Michigan State is..." and the caller is all "wait, that's not ht 'big picture'...all time the record is..."  Contradictory excuse, click, what music is playing right now....

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September 6th, 2013 at 2:33 PM
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The only problem is

Every time you tune in they're talking about anything but sports. 

It seems more like a radio show channel talking sports than sports talk radio.

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September 6th, 2013 at 10:33 AM
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I wish I could have called

I wish I could have called in.

I would have given them some reasons why Michigan State acts little brothery including Valenti's rant. Although, I don't think Mike Hart or Denard Robisons comments help.

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September 6th, 2013 at 10:07 AM
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Just Saying...

Michigan is still transitioning into a pro-style offense. Gardner is a great athlete, but not a pro QB. Have to beat State and have to beat Ohio. Bottom line.

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September 6th, 2013 at 10:36 AM
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Gardner

Gardner is not a pro QB? Admittedly I don't watch much NFL football, but to me Gardner looks like a future first-round pick.

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September 6th, 2013 at 10:40 AM
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Really?

What the fuck does Denard calling MSU little brother have to do with Devin Gardner? And how does beating a rival correlate into one's ability to be a pro QB, which by the way, Devin is entirely capable of being. To hell with such attributes like reading defenses, arm strength and accuracy, and leadership abilities.  Breathing through your nose must be very taxing for you isn't it? Just saying...

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September 6th, 2013 at 10:19 AM
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I love how 'Little Brother'

I love how 'Little Brother' gets MSU fans all worked up, when it is their own coaches fault that it has taken on a life of their own. If Dantonio would have taken the high road than Mike Hart's little brother comment probably would have been a one or two weekend bit.

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September 6th, 2013 at 11:02 AM
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This.

Sorry Sparty, but the second your coach responded to it it became a thing. As well, once Dantonio upped the ante and went with the "where's the threat" posing after 3 wins (while staring down the barrel of Hoke/Mattison killing him on the recruting trail) all of the 'little brother' and other content was going to be locked in forever.

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September 6th, 2013 at 10:20 AM
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What's our record vs. State since

Hart's little brother comment? Nevermind I don't want to think about it.

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September 6th, 2013 at 10:21 AM
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Not to be "that guy" but

Not to be "that guy" but isn't Denard 1-3 against State?

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September 6th, 2013 at 10:23 AM
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It's funny because they

It's funny because they always get so mad about it.

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September 6th, 2013 at 10:23 AM
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Calling them little brother may be old news

but I can't help but smirk whenever it happens because you and I both know it pisses them off to no end

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September 6th, 2013 at 10:34 AM
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Denard has no right to call

Denard has no right to call State little brother.  He was 1-3 against them and was just plain terrible when they played.  Mike Hart knows what its like to be little brother, he was 0-4 against Ohio State.  Pathetic.  Its time for us to stop talking and start winning!

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September 6th, 2013 at 7:17 PM
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Sure he does, because

regardless of what his record was against them the statement is still true. MSU's season hinges on beating Michigan, that is a defination of a Little Brother mindset. The last 4 years don't all of a sudden make the rest of the series history irrelevant either.

I was also like to point out that is not like Denard got a whole lot of help in those games from the defense in the first two he took part in. He didn't start one of those games either, Forcier started in 2009.

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September 6th, 2013 at 10:37 AM
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MSU owned Denard so there is

MSU owned Denard so there is that

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September 6th, 2013 at 10:40 AM
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Not a huge fan of what he said,

But the old saying does apply here. "He how laughs last, laughs the loudest."

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September 6th, 2013 at 10:45 AM
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Here is the problem

When Sparty beats Michigan, that is typically their biggest accomplishment.



When Michigan beats Sparty, we laugh and tell them, "Better luck next year."



Arguably, Dantonio's greatest years came on the back of Michigan's worst. And even though he shared a conference championship with Wisconsin in 2010, they didn't go to the Rose Bowl, or a BCS bowl for that matter. However, in 2011, we LOST to Sparty, didn't win the conference, and went to the Sugar Bowl anyway. Whether or not we deserved to be there is irrelevant. The Bowl committee thought we were worthy, and not Sparty.



No matter what, the success of Sparty is always measured to the might of Michigan. As Michigan and Ohio State compete for conference titles, Rose Bowls, and National Championships every year, Sparty competes for...whatever the former two left behind in their pursuit of success.



So, even though Denard didn't win more than 1 game against Sparty, he is right - our important games rank OSU and ND before Sparty, therefore, they are the perennial little brother.

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September 6th, 2013 at 10:56 AM
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To be clear, it wasn't the

To be clear, it wasn't the Bowl Committee that selected Michigan over MSU. MSU was ineligible for the BCS bowls because of the hit their ranking took for losing to Wisconsin in the conference championship. Michigan, on the other hand, jumped into eligibility thanks to conference runners-up falling in the polls. Michigan basically benefited by virtue of doing nothing.

All that said, yup, the rivalry is fairly lop-sided in the relative intensity of it. MSU will always care way more about Michigan, in general, than Michigan worries about MSU. Going off of the whole BCS selection issue, for instance, the MSU response to losing the conference championship game was, of course, to complain about Michigan and how unfair it was that Michigan would probably go to a BCS bowl.

All that said, Michigan really needs to do its part in these rivalries. Start beating MSU, again. Start winning against OSU, again. Right now, ND probably has the most even recent history of the three rivals, with the added bonus of being pretty face-meltingly batshit lately.

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September 6th, 2013 at 11:04 AM
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Absolutely

And thank you for the clarification.



I'd say we are on the right track to beating all three, though. I know that we are underdogs to OSU but if we can secure wins against ND and MSU, I would say that beating Ohio in the Big House would be excellent odds. Problem I have is the fact that we will probably play them twice.

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September 6th, 2013 at 4:15 PM
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Good point but 1999

In 1999 pretty sure both UM and MSU were eligible for the BCS but even though MSU won, UM got a BCS bowl berth and MSU did not.

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September 6th, 2013 at 10:55 AM
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In regards to the Articles author, not the OP...

What the author wrote is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on the internet is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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September 6th, 2013 at 11:02 AM
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I was about to ask what the

I was about to ask what the author did wrong, but then I clicked the link. I had read a totally different article before. This one took a very idiotic turn there somewhere in the middle.

And what's with everyone's obsession with how many times teams have played to be counted as a rival? How many times has Michigan played Wisconsin or Iowa? I don't think of either of those schools as rivals. And more broadly, what's with everyone's obsession with the "rival" label? During conference realignment, everyone constantly talks about "well, now Nebraska's new rival will be Wisconsin..." as if it's something that's just arranged or designated. I think anyone who has experienced Michigan-ND knows it's a pretty intense rivalry game.

And while I'm on it, what's the deal with airline food? They don't even give you peanuts anymore! And if you want those pretzels, better be prepared to pay up! Am I right? Sheesh, whatever happened to the days of a soggy and simultaneously stale sandwich?

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September 6th, 2013 at 10:59 AM
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This may be the unpopular

This may be the unpopular opinion but Denard being 1-3 against Staee is irrelevant, IMO. Staee isn't little brother to certain players who were successful against them, they're little brother to the University of Michigan. Unless that changes, any M player has the right to view/refer to them as such. Backing it up on the field does better reinforce the idea, though.

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September 6th, 2013 at 11:10 AM
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Not Unpopular

The place of Michigan State will never hinge on 2, 4, or 10 years worth of results.  They will always play second fiddle to the bigger, more popular, better school that shares their state.  It's part of the reason they cling to the Wal Mart idea so fervently.  It's a jealously induced reaction to undermine the fact that they are not the popular team, and don't really matter to anyone nationally. 

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September 6th, 2013 at 12:11 PM
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Exactly!

Sparty's inferiority complex didn't begin with Hart's comment, he simply coined an apt characterization of it.

To me, Denard's record against MSU is meaningless as the little brother is crowing about winning when the older brother was at his lowest historical point, and had to resort to all sorts of dirty crap (trying to rip Denard's head off) in order to win.  Sparty, and their psychotic coach, showed that even when they have the upper hand they're still nothing but pathological brats.

 

 

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September 6th, 2013 at 7:20 PM
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Exactly, regardless

of an individual players record or level of play against State the point still stands. Their own behavior and mentality over the years has earned them the little brother label.

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September 6th, 2013 at 11:11 AM
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1-3?

1-3.

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September 6th, 2013 at 11:25 AM
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Mike Hart didn't do us any favors

...talking smack with his eligibility over.  Pretty weak sauce, IMO.

And count me in with the sect that loves Denard but thinks a 1-2 record doesn't leave much room for him to rag on Sparty.

Now, if he wants to call ND "little brother"...I'll sign onto that all day long.  What does a big brother do with a little brother?  Teaches him to play a game...and then beats the pants off him at that game until he runs off crying and doesn't want to play anymore.

Plus Denard was 2-1 against ND, so...yeah.

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September 6th, 2013 at 11:50 AM
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Yeah, I kind of feel the same

Yeah, I kind of feel the same way.  And while Denard didn't play much that first game, he still was involved.  So he's technically 1-3 against MSU.  I'd have preferred he just listed the rivals and moved on.  But whatever, minor quibbles.

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September 6th, 2013 at 11:46 AM
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I kind of wish this meme

I kind of wish this meme would die.  I love Denard, but this stuff drives me crazy because of its total irrelevance.

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September 6th, 2013 at 4:54 PM
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I'd say the problem you have

I'd say the problem you have is that you go crazy over stuff even you know is irrelevant.

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September 6th, 2013 at 11:50 AM
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As much as I liked Denard, he

As much as I liked Denard, he did not win a single Big Ten title... rare for a Michigan QB who started so long... plus, MSU beat him and good.... so he should really shut up, and should NOT have said that.    There is NOTHING more unifying than a common enemy... and when Hart called MSU that, it did help bring them together....

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September 6th, 2013 at 5:47 PM
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Think you may be overlooking

Think you may be overlooking a confounding variable or seven

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September 6th, 2013 at 5:58 PM
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MSU is...

MSU is our little brother in so many ways, not just in football. It's about class, intelligence, success, and the game of life.

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September 6th, 2013 at 7:19 PM
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Saying he

was 1-3, while true isn't exactly accurate. He basically had no influence on the game in 2009 meeting. Not to mention the whole lack of actual defense helping him and the offense out in the 2010 game.

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September 6th, 2013 at 7:50 PM
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Denard earned the right to speak as he wishes.....

I thought Tom Brady said it best when he talked about the guys wearing the helmets and playing now represent not only themselves and their team mates but every man that has ever worn that helmet through the years.....In some of the darkest days of the Maize and Blue, he and his smile and his magic brought the few rare smiles and moments of joy experienced by Michigan Men and Women throughout the Universe.  Let us remember he did not win or lose those games all by his little lonesome....THE TEAM BOYS, IT IS ABOUT THE TEAM....

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