He'd be a great pickup but hold off on the whole 5 star talk. At this point last year Ricardo and Marvin were locks to be 5 star recruits as well.
Demetrius Hart - Next for 2011?
Very true...potential was the key word...but then again potential is a word that can be applied to everything.
He has more impressive offers than Ricardo did at this point last year so that could speak more toward his rating...? But they are just ratings...and this kid can play.
Situations like that, where kids commit very early on, when they have potential to be 5 stars and then end up ranked much lower always make me wonder if there is an inherent bias in the way the recruiting services do their work (either intentionally or unintentionally). Maybe it's just me (and I don't really have anything to back this up), but it always seems like the kids that are solid commits so early stop getting reviewed by the services as extensively while those who haven't committed keep getting reviewed, so by the end of the process the kids that commit early on are ranked primarily based upon junior footage and reviews while those that commit later have the benefit of being evaluated based upon their progress as seniors. That might be totally insane and way off base, but it's something that's always made me wonder.
I think he would help out big time,
also junior day happened last weekend
Pretty sure there's another one in February...20th?
or that later in the spring?
Is there something new or just basing off the same old info?
Every scout will say how he is the best back in FLA .. and that he is a 5* ... Then he will commit to Michigan and promptly be given 3*
he doesn't have the measureables that barry every likes (all-lobby team? really barry? really?) but the kid is a perfect fit for what RR and Co. like to do with their RBs.
Like MGoObes said, he's not going to be a 5-star. Kids are rated on their NFL potential, and there aren't many 5'8", 175 lb. running backs who are first round NFL picks. The four 5-star backs to Rivals this year average about 5'11", 195 lbs. and the smallest is Dillon Baxter, who's 5'11" and 187.
I think that height is becomming less important these days in rating running backs. Being short can be an advantage for RB because they get lost behind the 6'6" 300 lb offensive linemen. With the success of short running backs the last few years like Dion Lewis 5'8", Jacquizz Rodgers 5'7", Noel Devine 5'8", Tavon Austin 5'9", Jahvid Best 5'9"; and pretty much all of Florida's Running Backs, I don't think that being 5'8" should be considered a real disadvantage.
There's a difference between "less important" and "less important for ratings." Yes, shorter backs can be successful in college, but like I said, Rivals rates kids on their chances of being drafted into the NFL. 5-stars to them are potential future 1st rounders. And while all those guys you listed are good, none of them have been drafted into the NFL.
Sure, but I think all of them will be drafted. Best is the 2nd ranked RB in the draft according to Scout's Inc. And I'm pretty sure Tavon Auston was a 5-star on Scout last year. Devine was highly rated and probably would have been higher if he didnt have behavioral and grade issues. The reason they havent been drafted is because they are still in college.
For the record, Noel Devine was a 5 star coming out of HS at 5'8" and 175 lbs. And I think there's probably a 99.9% chance he plays in the NFL.
Doesn't have the body to carry the ball 25 times a game in the NFL.
He would be a great compliment to a power back like Brandon Jacobs.
It's not about being drafted.
5-star recruit = 1st round pick
4-star recruit = likely to play in NFL
3-star recruit = limited NFL potential
Devine was a 5-star, and we have yet to see where he'll go on the draft. Best and Austin were 4-stars.
Regardless, history - including recent history - tells us that bigger backs are the ones who get to the NFL and play well. There are exceptions like Warrick Dunn who go high in the draft, but the 1st round backs for the last 5 years have been:
With only a couple exceptions, all of those guys would be considered big backs compared to Hart.
I guess it depends who you ask.
Are you sure? I know the whole NFL thing plays a part but I remember reading a Rivals article a while back describing their ratings system. They essentially said that to be a 5*, they considered those players as immediate impact players in any program. 4*'s were usually all conference, 2-3 year starters, 3*s were likely to be 1-2 year starters.
the emergence of darren sproles doesn't hurt their cause
Ray Rice and MOJO are mighty mites as well. Not to mention Jerome Harrison who emerged as a good back for the Browns to end the year.
a) They weren't first round picks.
b) Each of those players is young, so it's unclear whether they can hold up to an NFL pounding. Brian Westbrook, a poster child for small backs, is currently considering retirement after getting concussed over and over again. Obviously, that's only one example, but it's worth noting.
A). Wtf? Who cares? MOJO was a second round pick FWIW.
B). They're good, and not many running backs hold up to an NFL pounding.
Small running backs are starting to make an impact in the NFL. Hell, even CJ is only like 5'10'' and is lighter than MOJO.
As I said, a 5-star ranking means those players have excellent pro potential.
I'm not saying they're bad. And Chris Johnson is 5'11" and 200.
Not to mention CJ is one of if not the fastest player in the league. DH isnt slow but he is definetly not a burner like CJ.
Clearly I was not a part of that discussion. CJ is fairly diminutive in statue compared to most other backs in the league. He's smaller than Reggie Bush.
EDIT: Not comparing DHart to anybody, just saying smaller backs can and have made a huge impact in the NFL.
but with some smaller back lighting up the NFL, it could only be a matter of time until there are some taken in the 1st round
When you say smaller backs lighting up the NFL, who do you mean exactly? The NFL's leading rushers this year:
These are the top 15 rushers this past year (and all the ones who went over 1000 yards). I'll give you MJD, but who else on there is a smaller back? Ray Rice is short, but he's also 210. I would say most of the guys "lighting up" the NFL are good size doods.
Also, is Florida, Oklahoma, USC recruiting him? That has a lot to do with becoming a 5 star recruit as well.
Not yet, but he does have an offer from Florida International. That should automatically bump him up to a 5-star level.
but Hart claims offers including the Big 3 in Florida.
"I have offers from Miami (Fla.), Florida, Florida State, Kentucky, Clemson, Michigan, Notre Dame, Stanford, Duke, Florida International and some others," Hart said.
His rivals page shows offers from FSU, Georgia Tech, Notre Dame, and Stanford in addition to the smaller Florida schools.
you were negged here, I thought it was funny. Maybe they have Zeke doing the recruiting for them?
Do you think there is any chance he gets number 20?
because that's Mike Shaw's number.
EDIT: Actually, will he be graduated by then?
Yeah, I think Shaw will be gone by then. Number 20 needs to be reserved for all time for any player with the last name Hart, no matter what position. Is there any chance Mike Hart has some relatives?
what's with the neg bang? What is wrong with anything I said there. Even if the shaw thing is wrong, I said I think. I'll just shut up for the day. Jesus...
Shaw was only a sophmore this season.
Negative. Hart's freshman year would be Shaw's senior year.
I attended 9 or 10 of his games last year and he is the real deal. The lack of numbers this year was due to the fact that he shared duties with CSU Commit Marvin Ford. The only game that Marvin did not play in resulted in 350+ total yards for Dee. Dee is Phenomenal! His "Stop and Start' is unbelievable and he gives up a leg like no one I have ever seen. Barry Sanders comes to mine but Dee has a little less speed and a bunch more brawn.
I heard a rumor that he may be transfering up the road to Olmypia and I also hear UM is tops on his list. This year he will have very little help in the backfield so watch out for some gaudy numbers.
I'm not trying to be negative, but I don't know why anybody would consider him signed and sealed for 2011 even if he does verbal next month. That's a year from Hart's NSD, and there's just too much that can happen in that time, both for Hart and for Michigan, to think anybody who commits that early for 2011 is a lock.
i cant find video on this kid....anyone got a link??
Whoever #84 is in that video is insanely fast (compared to D. Hart who I'd assume is pretty fast).
Who is he and when can we sign him up?
going to FSU
I'd say, from a scouting point of view, the only knock I see on Hart is that he coasts to the end zone and doesn't keep running hard. Because of that, he doesn't look as fast as he probably is. With that said, he looks slippery and has some great moves and change of direction. I'd love to see him in blue.
switching of the ball to the outside hand at 1:10. Fundamentals WHAT!!!!
And both videos are courtesy of Lupe Fiasco from this thread
But with the uncertainty regarding our program right now, you cant get toooo excited for any 2011 commits.
I'm excited for the 2010 class and seeing how RichRod can turn this program around.
Anything less than an 8 win season will put his job on the line...which could change the whole landscape of our 2011 commit class depending on what happens.
In any case, here's to an 8+ win season and D Hart in Ann Arbor next year.
I think 2011 is the year to truly tell, and that 8 wins won't be expected in 2010.
BTW, any of your buds getting any PT?
being a scout/recruiter can't be very fun. all of our electron RBs/WRs/Slots/Scatbacks/etcetcetc have the same damn tape... and yet there's seemingly a wide variety on their offer list and potential. what gives?
I bet he'll be a 5-star if he doesnt commit until after the all star games
at the top of your recruiting list creates more drama and interest.
I really hope we can land another Hart :D
and then get his teammate Hasean Clinton-Dix
Clinton-Dix currently has FSU and Alabama on top but it is pretty early..
Rankings, who cares. You gotta have Hart!
I like him. He looks like he is lacking top end speed, as it looked like he was getting run down by a linebacker at one point. However, I like his shiftiness and his vision. He doesn't look like 5* to me, however I hope I'm wrong.
I do think that Rodriguez needs to get 8 wins next year. In the third year of a program with this much tradition, Michigan ought to be back to at least respectability. I don't think 6-6 or 7-5 (or, obviously, a below .500 record) will suffice.
8 wins would be the absolute minimum number of wins that should be expected. I'm tired of bad Michigan football and mediocrity (8 wins) won't be easily tolerated.
Michigan Football sure is lucky it's got you, AND your intolerance on it's side.
Where were you last year?