I forgot he is denard's cousin. O let do it
Demar Dorsey Update
Can we get a UA game video, per favore? I'm not a part of the embed crew.
No chance...good luck to him...move along.
Him and Denard are cousins? I never knew that.
Kansas State. Book it.
I doubt it. He said the reason why he came up to Michigan was to get a fresh start and to get away from the troubles that he had in Florida.
I know it's very unlikely but very glad to see a kid turn his life around. I personally think he was vilified during the RR coaching situation as "the type of kid RR wants." It's very good to see that a 20 year-old can find some maturity and moved forward.
By 2013 their defensive backfield will be:
Cullen - Gerg Brown - Vinogrit - Demar Dorsey
and it'll be a bottom 10-secondary because Tony Gibson is their coach.
CB: Christian (even though he always should've been a FS)
hit anyone nearly hard enough to convince me he could be a FS
Pitt will be the "Michigan of the East".
No. More like Casablanca, full of Michigan refugees, fleeing the regime change.
It's this storied University for sure:
UM took Panter a few years ago. I know plenty of GRCC students that transfer to UM.
This has been documented time and time again...
Michigan rarely takes JuCo's and Prep school kids. Panter was playing 7v7 or 8v8 football, but wasn't an academic casuality. He went to one of those for more exposure.
We're not going to take a kid with that record, those pictures floating around the internet, that history with this program, etc.
There is NO chance. ZERO chance. Especially under Hoke who is far more Bo, Moeller and Carr than Rodriguez. There's a ZERO chance we even think about looking into it.
Wish him well and hope he represents himself well so that when people say "former Michigan commit Demar Dorsey" it doesn't have a bad connotation.
Seems a bit harsh, my friend.
do you think there's any chance we take him?
There's zero chance?
What pictures are you talking about? I google image searched and nothing offensive came up. I was under the impression that his record did not exactly excite teh admissions staff, but his academic performance was the main reason he was turned away. It seemed academics were still a problem as he did not qualify for the NCAA minimum to get into Louisville.
Also, he seemed to desire a fresh start and to get away from all these problems, as evidenced by his second opportunity to get into a Div 1 school. Yes, he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed and might lack the charisma of a Dhani Jones, but he seems like a decent guy.
Additionally, it has been documented that RR went after more academically questionable prospects which definitely hurt us and really frustrated me about our recruiting, but I don't think RR pursued kids who were significantly worse than Bo, Moeller, and Carr, as your are insinuating. I wasn't alive for the BO and Moeller years, so my assertion there is more speculative, but Carr had issues with some of the kids he recruited and, even today, I have heard more questionable things about some Carr recruits than RR recruits. I think the perception against RR's character recruiting is magnified (beyond the prejudice towards him) but the advent of modern media and the global digital age. Kids weren't posting FB pictures of themselves in high school when Bo was recruiting. Also, with computers it is easier to track people and their records. I think you are making too many judgments about Dorsey and RR, which contain more shades of mistruth than truth. I believe it is estimated that 65 million American adults have a criminal record, of either a felony or misdeamenor on their record. That is a little less than 1/5 our population. Those records can start from early on, principally for our 18 year old and above players.
Wow, I get super negged for saying FACTUAL information.
I don't have your pictures...because the website has been moved. But here is MGoBlog's reaction to the pictures.
For those too lazy to click the link, here are some of the comments made by our posters:
Are you serious?
Tmuff Joined: 01/03/2009 : 17
Did you actually look at the pictures? Drugs, guns, naked women. I'm a pretty young guy and understand what goes on with 18 year olds but if you think Dorsey would've fit in at Michigan you're nuts. These aren't pictures of underage drinking (although thats there as well). Wow, just wow.
I guess you didn't read the whole thread.
Tmuff 01/03/2009 : 17
There is 9 pages of posts. Disclaimer: NSFW pics on page 8. All of the things I listed are in the thread.
Lol. You're wrong. Friend him
Lol. You're wrong. Friend him on FB. There's pictures of him with weed, coke, and condoms (hey, at least he's practicing safe sex!) in the background. None that I saw with a gun, but I haven't been through all of them and I wouldn't be surprised.
He's obviously doing illegal things (unlike what you say). I don't disagree the kid could use a change of scenery, but I'm glad that change of scenery didn't happen here.
....And all of this stuff is just from the first page of that thread. It's crazy that you guys will sit here and judge, neg folks, etc. when it's YOU that don't know the facts.
Shit just google "Demar Dorsey Guns" or "Demar Dorsey Drugs" and you get a bunch of pictures in google images of him and his boys. And these are the G rated pictures compared to what is actually out there.
I can't believe you guys haven't seen this. It's a year old.
...and there you have it.
So for those saying I was too harsh or there was no proof. Please enjoy a tall glass of...
...I really wish some of you didn't waste your time with a thesis about academically questionable kids and 65 million people with a criminal record. One look at that thread and you see why he'll never wear a Michigan helmet or be recruited by this staff.
Yeah, because people don't change... especially the ones that move across the country to get out of a bad situation, get their grades up, and practice collegiate sports.
If the grades are up, the attitude is right, and the nose has been clean I'd welcome Hoke bringing him in and I would hope Denard would put a bug in his ear if the change is legit or not.
Haha. Those are kind of funny. Just opened that up in the library and got some weird looks. So he is a young impressionable boy from a poor background who thinks its cool to pose for pictures with lots of cash and scantily clad girls, while he wears an absolutely terrible outfit. He doesn't seem beyond growing up and changing but ok.
He's not making an argument about what Michigan "should" do, which you are. He's arguing what they WILL do.
A program with the boatload of terrible PR that we've gotten for the past 3 years isn't going to stake their credibility on a kid with a bust for home invasion, and easily found pictures of him, cocaine, guns, and naked ladies.
It's just not going to happen.
Not entirely, his original post insinuated that Michigan should not take him and will not take him. Beyond the blatant attacks on RR, he made points that aren't necessarily true. Yes, Michigan will not be taking Dorsey for many reasons: bad PR and his poor record, lack of coaching connections with him, or Michigan not normally taking JC recruits. His original post and even his follow-up post are not strict statements that Michigan will not take Dorsey. His first comments on the follow-up is about people criticizing him for lacking proof, which indicates guilt or liability (guilt being the relevant on here). He made subjective and latent judgments about Dorsey, RR, and the commenters in either post. If he purely wanted to make the point that Michigan will not take him, then all he needs to do is state Michigan will not take a questionable character kid in the current state of the program (and more detail as you listed would be nice) and then mention the pictures, which I had no clue about and clearly others didn't know about. A link would also have been nice.
I don't know how to quote...but chitownblue2...THANK YOU!
Finally someone who is following what I am saying...
"He's not making an argument about what Michigan "should" do, which you are. He's arguing what they WILL do.
A program with the boatload of terrible PR that we've gotten for the past 3 years isn't going to stake their credibility on a kid with a bust for home invasion, and easily found pictures of him, cocaine, guns, and naked ladies.
It's just not going to happen."
Not once was I saying what I'd like Michigan to do or what they should do...but like I've repeated over and over and gotten negged for no reason on. There is a ZERO percent chance. None. Zilich. It's simply not going to happen. #1 Hoke wouldn't have recruiting him in the first place, #2 in today's media world and PR...at the University of Michigan? Nope.
redhousewolverine - What part of my original post are you referring to? I just went back and reread it...there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with what I said.
I said... it's been documented over and over --- it has, I showed a thread to prove it.
I said... Michigan rarely takes JuCo and Prep school kids --- they don't, it's true.
I said... we're not going to take a kid with his record, the pictures AND history with the program --- we're not. A record? Maybe. Those pictures? Doubtful, but possible. But the biggest thing may be his name and the attention it brought to this program and "our standards" that we try to portray. And we're not just talking about that...we're talking about ALL THREE!
I said... there was zero chance --- There isn't. Once again, it wasn't should there...it's would they.
I said... Hoke is more like Bo, Moeller and Carr than Rich Rod --- This is true. He's considered an insider. A Michigan Man. A defensive Mind. Rich Rod wasn't ANY of those 3. How is that a bash on Rodriguez? It's the truth.
...I wished him well in the end and said I hope when they speak his name it doesn't have a bad connotation. That was it. What exactly offended you? It was all truths.
recruiting significantly more "borderline" guys than Carr. Outside of Dorsey, Justin Feagin was the only RR kid who was a bad apple, but he was dealt with decisively and quickly. Over Carr's longer tenure he clearly had his share of questionable players who either were high academic risks or got into a bunch of trouble while on campus. Some of them straightened out, others not. A few who come to mind are Marques Slocum, Kelly Baraka, Eugene Germany, and of course Boubakar Cissoko. This is aside from the "normal" type of attrition you see where players leave due to playing time issues, coaching changes, a poor fit with the program, injuries, homesickness, etc. That's common no matter who the coach is (was).
I believe Russell Shaw went the JC route before Michigan
Dorsey is actually getting re-recruited by a lot of the teams that recruited him last year (sans Michigan). Where he'll end up, who knows. The kid really has done a great job with things though.
after what went down with that whole thing, I would give a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g, to see it happen, have Dorsey come to Michigan, play solidly, get a degree and get drafted into the NFL. It would be indescribably beyond great. I'd beg Brandon to let that happen, and it would not surprise me if, deep down, Brandon had something of a similar feeling.
Anyway, Iike I said I'm not holding my breath; just maybe saying a little prayer of hope.
Question: If Drew Sharp's head asploded somewhere near Lafayette Boulevard in downtown Detroit, what radius would bystanders need to be at in order to be safe from the debris?
By the way, Three and Out does touch on this story, including the numbers of questionable kids Rodriguez & co. went after, in comparison to other years. As usual, all was not right in the House of Yost, and while not 100% innocent himself, there was absolutely no way that a fair media would have villified Rodriguez as what we saw.
To answer your question: The explosion would be large enough to frighten a pretty, pretty princess.
This was a very good week for Michigan State, regardless of the outrage over the university's handling of the William Gholston personal-foul controversy. The best thing for the Spartans was that the issue didn't die a quick death with coach Mark Dantonio caving to fan and media discontent and disciplining Gholston before the Big Ten did.
The more the punch was discussed and the perception of dirty play debated nationally, the more the Spartans developed a renegade, Oakland Raideresque personality that could prove attractive when recruiting more athletically aggressive defensive players.
And let's face it. Every action taken is done with an eye toward recruiting.
Consider those hideous Nike Combat jerseys the Spartans wore last week. It was about appealing to that 16-year-old football player somewhere who might never have previously considered Michigan State.
The Spartans' brusque demeanor might offend some, but if it makes opponents apprehensive, then it's the correct tactic for a team tired of being a laughingstock.
Compare; Sharp, Drew - circa 2009.
The point about Brandon is interesting. His only concern is the Michigan brand. I could see him turning him down as too much of a risk, but also letting him in as a potentially great story of a kid with a troubled past, coming to Michigan, getting his act together, and being an upstanding citizen. I tend to lead toward the former, though.
Brandon is just pissed off at Sharp, Rosenberg, Snyder and the Free Press. We could even add Mick McCabe's name, re: Demar Dorsey.
But otherwise I agree with you.
Otherwise I would say he would end up at Clemson.
if he gets those grades up
Louisville is also what I was thinking. If I remember right, Charlie Strong wanted him (and had been recruiting him at Florida) and there were rumors that he was going to Louisville after Michigan didn't work out
Yes, its true we don't do the JUCO thing very much, but I have to believe that unless the current staff just decides to shun him for is connections to RR, it would be worth doing. He seems to be a good kid who's doing the best he can to turn his life around, and he went to Grand Rapids Community College, so I'd find it hard to believe if he couldn't get credit transfered into Michigan.
He is the one player I was so happy we stole over the years last second, and couldnt wait to see him play in Ann Arbor. So that being said I wish nothing but the best for him and hope he gets back up to big time ball weather with U of M or any other big time school. He has the skills to do it now he just needs a little luck to go with his ball hawking skills.
Does anyone know the whether report for NYC tomorrow?
I saw what you did there I am man enough to admit my spelling is not always top notch. But thanks for not going all crazy on me and making the whether comment a low key knock on me lol.
good chance of reign. Or rein. I can never remember witch.
I would be happier than any person here if he came to play in Ann Arbor.
specially if he came in rawking blublockers and the peace sign
O LET DO IT!
EDIT: I'm old news. Nothing to see here.
putting his past behind him and moving on. Further, he did it in the face of national attention, criticism and what amounted to out and out attacks by the media, and he still pulled it off. Who has heard his name other than via a football discussion? Why would we want anyone like that at Michigan?
Demar goes blue AND Waka Flocka Whats-his-puss plays the Stadium at halftime.
This needs to happen
well....he already has a hat
We need him in order to preserve the Florida Wolverine species.
Please a thousand times over. This is the kind of story that inspires kids from bad neighborhoods and life situations like Demar's. It's like the American dream, only better. THIS IS LIKE THE REINVENTION OF A PIZZA. DO YOU HEAR ME, GOD?
This would be like catching the one that got away, AFTER it got away. I think it would make me more optimistic about the observable universe. A squared meets dilithium squared. IT'S LIKE THE URBAN VERSION OF RUDY. GOD, THAT'S WHAT MICHIGAN IS MISSING--RUDY.
Kovacs' story is way better than Rudy. It's not even fair to compare, our Michigan bias aside. I hate to play the race and ethnic background card, but it's appropriate here. If Kovacs had been accused of three felonies by the age of 16 and been denied admission everywhere... maybe we could simplify this to the race card. However, Kovacs was accepted into Michigan, one of the best schools in the country. It's not the same
Rudy was offsides lol, I saw that sign everywhere when at the UTL game. Kinda chuckled everytime I saw it the glorious day.
I think I agree with you. Though, I don't think I completely understand your point about the race card. Whatever. Kovacs > Rudy. No doubt.
Comparing Kovacs to Rudy is an insult to Kovacs. He's actually a good player. Rudy was a scrub who played two snaps of garbage time.
to see him doing a O-Let-Do-It dance after a pic six rocking these.....
This is always my favorite topic on MgoBlog.
It's rather impressive how much traffic a thread on this guy can generate.
I think that Demar Dorsey is a proxy, for another argument...
You don't say...
I think I'll create a thread about Cullen Christian and Justin Turner, inquiring about how they are doing and if they would consider coming back to UM and if Ryan Mallet could return as a mentor for Denard. Over/under on responses - eleventy billion.
eleventy billion is not a number.
This has zero chance of happening. The last JUCO kid we took (Austin Panter) wasnt an academic risk; he had played 7-on-7 high school ball in a rural Iowa town way out in the middle of nowhere. He went to a JUCO because he wanted to get more exposure, not because his grades sucked. I think Russel Shaw (the last JUCO we took before Panter) might have been in a similar situation.
Sorry, but Michigan would never take a kid with Dorsey's academic background. It might make for a nice story, but it's not happening.
This would definitely be a beautiful thing. Loved Dorsey and was more excited about him than any other recruit. Im glad he is turning it all around.
I am sure Hoke and staff have been monitoring him. And I am sure there was a discussion with RR on what it might take to get into Michigan, likely the same with Hoke.
If it could happen, these discussions have already happened, otherwise it has no shot.
It'd be a nice little story, but honestly, I'm not sure why we'd want to take a DB with only two years of eligibility. We've shored up the secondary. It's no longer a horribly glaring need.
If we can get JUCOs past admissions, we really should look for a defensive tackle.
Am I missing something?
Is this his first year at the JUCO? I was thinking it was his second. You could make more of a case for bringing him in if he has three years left, but even then I don't know. I don't see a huge need to bring in another guy who would be in Countess's class.
He plays safety, though. Countess plays corner. I think Dorsey is more talented than any other DB we have. But, I don't know if he's worth the risk. We are getting Wilson, and we may get Wright too. I guess it all depends on whether or not the coaches are happy with the talent level. All of this is supposing that Dorsey is academically viable as well. But dammit, he sure is an exciting player.
We've shored up our secondary?
We just added Jeremy Clark to the 2012 class instead of Grey shirting and signing with the 2013. I would love for DD to play for us! But it's just not gonna happen... Weaksauce
A 2013 recruit.
So a year ago I did some research about why we don't take many JUCO's. I have several friends that transfered to UM from community colleges so I was curious why everyone was saying it was so hard to be done. So between my friends and Michigan's website (which talks about how to transfer from a community college) I figured out that you have to specifically prep to get into Michigan as a JUCO. You can't just get a good GPA and take a Gen Ed track and think they will accept you. So if Dorsey is taking the coursework that would align with Michigan or that calibur of school he could get in here. Since a lot of JUCO kids went there for grades and are doing all they can to qualify for your average BCS school, they aren't real candidates to transfer to Michigan.
So if say a lifelong UM fan was recruited but had a bad ACT they could go to JUCO and prep for 2 years to specifically attend Michigan. It's odd that we have the same admission standards for football out of high school that State has but not for JUCO's, but that's the way it is for some reason.
take Gen Ed courses and get a good GPA and they will take you. The problem is that even after a year you would still be considered a freshman(meaning you could earn 30 credits at CC, but M would only count 12 of those credits, hypothetically). Which is a problem for athletes, as I believe there are a certain number of credits you have to have at the school you are playing for, with respect to your eligibility. If you are a sophomore eligibility wise, than you must be considered a sophomore academically.
as a sophomore at least. If you take spring and summer classes for two or three summer you can easily graduate in four years. Seeing as some football players graduate after FIVE years I don't see this as a problem. Also depending on the classes you took at JUCO and what your major is at Michigan you may be able to transfer the majority of your credits.
Also, you can't just take anything you want and get in. Here's what UM says about tranferring.
I don't have to go through that link, I've gone through the process. You are positing that you have to take classes with the sole purpose of them transferring to Michigan. This is not true. There are classes that you must take, classes you should take, and then there are classes that you will take that won't transfer.
that we stay away from jucos just for the reason it takes a spot of the 85 limit and a scholly for that year, and you only get 2 years of service from them? Harder to mold a guy in 2 years instead of 4 or 5 years a normal recruit would have? Last one I remember was Austin Painter ( LB I think that was his name) and that never really panned out mostly cause Lloyd brought him in and he palyed for RR which is never easy.
DD is a hell of a lot better than Austin Panter. He'd have an immediate impact.
We don't do the JUCO thing because other schools' credits don't transfer well to Michigan credits. Michigan's transfer system, at least in my day (and I doubt it has changed) asks you to find the closest course in the Michigan course catalogue or else you get general credits.
This is terribly stupid because taking classes that are not offered at Michigan is the main reason you would want to take classes elsewhere. I took two history classes with the regular students at La Sorbonne (the Michigan of France) and those became 4 "general" credits.
Michigan State has a much more rational policy, and because of it a much better study abroad program, and they can get Rent-a-Plaxicos to join their football team.
all of my AP credits (12 with 3 classes, History, European History, and something else that I don't recall anymore) transferred as non-general but specific subjects.
I wonder why they are cool with AP, but not transfer credits? Also, I knew of 3-4 people who transferred into the BBA program (when it was 2 years and ranked #1), so it really is possible.
If Demar Dorsey were to come back, do you think we could get Raback to "Raback It?"
I really hope we go after him, just to bring back O LET DO IT
Half the players don't graduate anyway. Most of them stop going to class after the fall semester so who gives a shit how many credits DD would have coming in to UM. Bama and the SEC schools do this all the time. How do you think Bama reloads? Sure they have a top 5 class every year but they get one or two JUCOs to fill positions of need until younger recruits can step up.
Sorry to thread jack, I don't have enough points to post my own topic. Per TomVH, it doesn't look like Jordan Payton will announce tomorrow. Could be that he's deciding now between going Blue and going irish. Fingers crossed he makes the right decision
Well, shit, that certainly isn't good news
that emotional rollercoaster that was the DD signing day (and the events that followed). We need this! O LET DO IT for Demar, Denard, and us all!
Looks like an easy way to get a lot of swag on D.
Good luck to Dorsey, but he won't suit up for UM.
I will say, though, for those people taking shots at him because of his past, he seems like he has cleaned himself up and is making the types of decisions you like to see from a kid. Sure, he might still mess up wherever he lands, but it looks like he has turned a corner when it comes to maturity.
I'd love to see Denard's cuzzin in a Wolverine uniform. Great story and an impact player.
By all accounts, he's tried to change the direction his life was heading in and he's jumped through the hoops that he needed to, but I won't hold my breath for BRANDon to give Dorsey a chance.
Best of luck to DD wherever he goes.
Best wishes to the young man. He put in the work and did what it took to achieve his goal, which is a really respectable thing. I'll root for him wherever he ends up.