Demar Dorsey not listed on Louisville roster
I can't find any previous mention of this on the board—Demar Dorsey is not listed on the roster for Louisville, and since the Cardinals have already started fall camp I'd assume this means he's not going to be playing ball there. Which in turn suggests his academic and other issues were of concern to more schools than just Michigan. I haven't come across any other info about the guy, either. Maybe this means he's headed to some JC.
If this isn't of interest to some of you because he's not a Wolverine, fine. I found the whole saga interesting regardless of the outcome.
August 12th, 2010 at 10:19 AM ^
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August 12th, 2010 at 10:22 AM ^
Pretty sure the OP wasn't suggesting this. I think the whole "this means juco" thing gave it away.
August 12th, 2010 at 11:18 AM ^
so he must have meant MSU
August 12th, 2010 at 10:22 AM ^
August 12th, 2010 at 10:23 AM ^
I'm sure this is a disappointing outcome for him, and I hope he can overcome it.
August 12th, 2010 at 10:29 AM ^
I don't wish him any ill will.
I just lose interest if the kid's not coming to Michigan.
August 12th, 2010 at 10:34 AM ^
I would argue this remains germane, due to the "Admissions screwed us" anger that erupted when Dorsey was rejected. Dorsey's failure to get into Louisville is definitely sad, I hate to see the kid headed to JuCo, but it does provide proof that Dorsey's rejection wasn't some evil plot by admissions.
August 12th, 2010 at 11:41 AM ^
Strong "commented" on the issue a couple of days ago:
“We're just moving forward like those guys [Dorseny and another player] are not a part of this program,” Strong said. “You can't sit there and wait when we have a whole football team that we have to get better. The guys we have right now is who we have to focus on.”
August 12th, 2010 at 1:29 PM ^
And while this might be a more controversial perspective, I think it's time for us to take DD off the hard-luck-kid-makes-good pedestal we've put him on.
Multiple schools have taken a look and haven't found a way to admit DD.
I don't know what the real story is, and I do wish him well and hope every good thing we've heard about him is true.
But I think it's a little naive for some MGoBloggers to continue to laud DD's heroic straightening out of his life and his 8th-semester dedication to academics. Yes, some nice lady from his alternative high school said moving things about him in a video. But there's a reason that universities don't admit people on the basis of a single person's recommendation. You have to dig deeper--and several schools have dug deeper and taken a pass despite DD's extraordinary football potential.
I hope he has a successful college experience and, if he really can cut it, I hope he ends up here. I'd like The Nice Lady In The Video to have been right all along. But given what's happened, right now I question things. Given this board's love of hard evidence, I've expected a little more skepticism than I've seen.
August 12th, 2010 at 10:31 AM ^
with freedoms and opportunities come RESPONSIBILITY. Hopefully his difficulties this year will be a lesson learned and he can come back prepared (somewhere) next fall.
August 12th, 2010 at 10:32 AM ^
As I recall, there was some criticism of Michigan Admissions for not letting Dorsey in. I’d say that if even Louiville wouldn’t admit him, it must not have been a close case.
August 12th, 2010 at 11:53 AM ^
sorry UM Adcomm.
August 12th, 2010 at 12:30 PM ^
Sorry, I'm still not letting them off the hook for this, as if they were 'iffy" on him, or knew they weren't going to admit him, they should've made damn sure RR knew this prior to letting him sign his LOI. Further, didn't an Admissions official (Provost or something- the term is actually escaping me now, but it was someone who has a title and oversees the Admissions department, and not the Director of Admissions) actually go down to meet with DD early in 2010, and gave his seal of approval, only to have them go back on it later?
August 12th, 2010 at 12:51 PM ^
Michigan sent me a letter saying I was admitted in January, but I had to keep my GPA above a certain level to get in. I think it was 3.2. I assume that is basically what happened with DD. They did all the paperwork, but when it came to the end of the school year and DD sent in his transcript it wasn't good and it cost his spot.
That's not on admissions, that is on the student and it sadly it happens from time to time. You get admitted, you get senioritis and you bomb out.
August 12th, 2010 at 6:06 PM ^
I understand what everyone is saying, but I still just think there's a flaw in the system, and in this case, a definite communication breakdown between the coaching staff, admissions, and the prospective student athlete. From what I read (from, I believe, Angelique Chengelis's twitter at the time), RR was "furious" (her word, not mine) with admissions, which leads me to believe he was under the impression that DD was admitted.
My point is that the way it is set up and handled throughout 2010 in this matter was inefficient and the system was flawed. That's my whole point. We have no info that the kid was offered the LOI contingent on anything out-of-the-ordinary, and if I recall the quotes from his high school coach, there weren't any sort of conditions attached to it. Thus, seeing as he ultimately did NOT gain admittance, that LOI should have never been offered to him, and that, in my eyes, is a failure of either the admissions department, the football program, or (most likely) both.
August 13th, 2010 at 9:59 AM ^
I wouldn't put that much stock in the tweet. Just because he was pissed at OUA isn't proof it's their fault.
Ask my poor husband, he'll tell you that I get furious with him over stuff that is really my own f*ck-up.
It's not uncommon to blame others and CYA, and I would imagine someone facing intense public scrutiny is especially susceptible to this--either strategically or due to irrational thinking. You've got the perfect target in Admissions, because they can't say much to contradict you thanks to privacy laws and professional ethics.
August 12th, 2010 at 1:13 PM ^
It could have been something they didn't know about until all his official transcripts got there. I mean there was a lot of schools going after him hard until the end, and he was qualified by the NCAA. If he can't get into Louisville and has to go to JUCO after being qualified by the NCAA that is very unusual for a top 100 player and IMO there is something else going here.
August 12th, 2010 at 10:33 AM ^
Michigan or not, I'm rooting for the kid. I don't blame the University for not admitting him... but seeing a kid work pretty hard at getting his life back in order and the excitement he had for coming to AA to play... hard not to like him. Just because his path will take him somewhere else doesn't mean I won't be rooting for him. Unless he goes to Sparty or OSU!
August 12th, 2010 at 10:40 AM ^
You can think Admissions ended up doing the right thing, and still hope that everything works out for the kid. That's just being human. And humane.
August 12th, 2010 at 10:39 AM ^
a great player, but Rich Rod never should have recruited him. His academic credentials were bad enough, but when you add in the criminal history piece it was a PR disaster waiting to happen and RR should have been more savy to see that. Why chase a kid with almost no chance of getting admitted when we had other quality options in Grimes, Knight and Parker? How huge would it be to have one of those guys competing at DB right now?
August 12th, 2010 at 10:42 AM ^
What evidence is there that Dorsey was being chased to the exclusion of the "other quality options" you mention or that the other quality options would be here had we pursued them with additional vigor?
August 12th, 2010 at 11:42 AM ^
I wouldn't say he was chased at the exclusion of Parker, Grimes, etc. However, it follows that any time spent on Dorsey could have been spent on another player. Hindsight being 20/20 any random DB to throw into the competition would have been better than the current situation.
August 12th, 2010 at 11:54 AM ^
That's a strawman. I don't disagree that it would be good to have any of them. I just don't buy the premise that we didn't try hard enough with the other three or that any time spent on Dorsey was to the exclusion of the other three. I don't believe I've seen anything suggesting it worked that way, other than blind speculation. No, the coaches' time to spend recruiting is not infinite, but I haven't seen any evidence that the staff was forced to prioritize Dorsey over the others because of time limitations. I think the assumption that "we got Dorsey so we must have recruited him harder" is a false one unsupported by any evidence other than the fact that he committed to Michigan. I also think think it's wrong to assume Parker, Grimes or Knight would have committed had the coaches done something differently. It's just as likely, and probably more likely, that they wanted to go somewhere else more than they wanted to come to Michigan, and that that was not because of something the coaching staff did or did not do.
August 12th, 2010 at 1:04 PM ^
I just don't buy the premise that we didn't try hard enough with the other three or that any time spent on Dorsey was to the exclusion of the other three. I don't believe I've seen anything suggesting it worked that way, other than blind speculation.
Obviously you dont play NCAA 2011 or else you would know how true this is
August 12th, 2010 at 1:17 PM ^
or not, I still think it was a huge mistake by RR to recruit Dorsey. The kid simply wasn't worth the PR hit when there was almost no chance he was going to be admitted.
That said, it certainly didn't help the recruitment of Grimes, Knight and Parker that we also chased Dorsey. Each of those 3 recruitments looked like locks until we got in good with Dorsey. That does not prove the Dorsey recruitment caused the other 3 to look elsewhere but it is a reasonable inference in my mind.
August 12th, 2010 at 10:39 AM ^
Remember that DD applied to a JC as a backup plan. Is it not possible that he goes to that JC, gets his academic house in order and then dons the winged helmet in 2011?
I know: "Get over it" , but I still have visions of "O let's do it" being sung as he finishes a pick six in the Horseshoe of Evil.
August 12th, 2010 at 10:50 AM ^
It is possible I believe, but unlikely. However, I do wish him well in his future.
August 12th, 2010 at 10:59 AM ^
There is still the possibility and this was one of his backup plans. Maybe he realized that RR and Company gave him a tremendous opportunity and didn't quite feel at home at Lousiville. He may also realize that his grades are an issue and deciced to move onto the next plan and could someday attempt to wear the Winged Helmet again.
So far this kid has created some poor situations for himself, appears to have taken care of those responsibilities, enrolled in school to have his academic progress questioned (and who knows who was in charge or had ulterior motives), has since chosen a different path to hopefully getting an education. This trip is far from over and hopefully he leaves his "hometown" area and gets on with his life. Gotta cheer for a kid who is trying. If he screws up again then you move on.
August 12th, 2010 at 10:50 AM ^
Well, this is certainly telling.
August 12th, 2010 at 12:00 PM ^
play for the "Scrotties".....
August 12th, 2010 at 11:06 AM ^
Still waiting on admissions at UL straight from the source.
August 13th, 2010 at 10:00 AM ^
Find out if he really qualified by NCAA standards, because I heard something that led me to believe otherwise.
August 12th, 2010 at 11:17 AM ^
Michigan is suppose to be the leaders and best. The best is not always the smartest, but the ones that are able to succeed no matter what difficulties that are encountered. I understand about Demar's past indescretions and academic record. I do believe he deserves a second chance and the right to succeed at Michigan. While its true he may not have made it through but at least he was given the chance. Yes, I know he is getting that chance because of football. But, in life, you use what your ability to make it through life. This makes me sad, because without football, his life may turn out very differently. I hope it doesnt and I am sorry for the rant. Sorry, I am still fairly new, so if I said something that was already covered or not the place to talk about it, I apologize.
August 12th, 2010 at 11:19 AM ^
I'm sure that RichRod sabotaged him.
August 12th, 2010 at 2:36 PM ^
It's just like the plot of "Major League".
August 12th, 2010 at 12:31 PM ^
He would've been a great addition to the team! Could have probably played both sided of the ball too!
August 12th, 2010 at 12:33 PM ^
You sir, are a xenophobic, close-minded asshat for this comment.
EDIT: You completely edited your original comment, which said (paraphrasing), "See ya Demar! Take your gold teeth and dancin' with ya! That's not Michigan!" and gave no indication of sarcasm. So, yeah- I guess good for you for editing it, but it shouldn't have been posted in the first place.
August 12th, 2010 at 12:50 PM ^
OWNED BY 03 Blue 07!!!!!!
August 12th, 2010 at 12:57 PM ^
are in camp with Louisville at this time. I have a quote up on the Big House Blog that Charlie Strong doesn't expect either one to make it in and they are moving forward.
http://mbighouse.blogspot.com/2010/08/michigan-tuesday-afternoon-tidbits.html
August 12th, 2010 at 1:12 PM ^
I suspect somthing that is not written or not really being covered here re: a kid this talented and he's not on sombodiy's roster like a JUCO, Prep or D-! school that routinley takes kids with past problems.
August 12th, 2010 at 1:16 PM ^
I know M isn't very Juco transfer friendly but is their any chance that he still ends up blue now after a couple years at a Juco?
August 12th, 2010 at 1:26 PM ^
The first is that I hate to see a kid who wants to play college ball struggle with admissions all over the place. But hey, that's the "student" part of student-athlete that routinely gets overlooked nowadays.
Second, Louisville is coming out here to play Oregon State this year and I was hoping to see him in action a bit.
August 12th, 2010 at 1:36 PM ^
Man, I have Oh Let Do It on my gym playlist, everytime that song comes on I get a little pissed. I was really hoping to see DD in the Maize and Blue, kid could have been special. Who knows maybe he is meant to be here, he just needs to take the long road... Best of luck whatever happens Demar
September 21st, 2010 at 6:42 PM ^
So does anyone have any news regarding dorsey? Is he playing for JUCO? i have not heard one thing on where he ended up? is he even in school?
September 21st, 2010 at 6:51 PM ^
Man what a waste of talent, I hope he get's his academic situation straightened out and gets on with a D1 program. Good luck DD, I'm pulling for ya!
September 21st, 2010 at 7:10 PM ^
well cant anyone go to JUCO? or am I wrong...obviously you have to graduate HS, which he did. just wondering if he is even in school? and whats going on?
September 21st, 2010 at 9:27 PM ^
He signed a LOI with Fort Scott Community College back in the spring, supposedly as a backup plan. However, he's not on their football roster this fall. I imagine the attempts to get into Michigan and Louisville would make joining FSCC's program a little difficult late in the process.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:31 PM ^
well you see some transfers going to new schools right now and starting class and practicing. Its a JUCO program how demanding can it be? Just wondering if he is doing anything? I think its kinda BS that these schools kinda screwed him on an education level.