Just saw this at GBW and didn't see it here.
Demar Dorsey and Possible legal issues?
it isn't coming through.
how do i make it into a link?
try www.tinyurl.com, as your link appears to use every character, symbol, and number on the keyboard several times.
you get a +1 for directing me to that site.
I always saw that "tinyurl" thing as links, but never knew what it was. Now, I do
Interesting that this is from '08 and is the first I've heard of it.
Makes me wonder about the authenticity of the link/site it is linked to. Can't believe that the press (Freep) wouldn't have been all over this earlier.
Its pretty long, just copy and paste it in.
I don't know if this was in response to me or not, but Im the one who posted it. How do I make the long thing underlined in blue aka a link to the site. Don't post much so I don't know how to do it.
But if this is indeed true, that kid can stay his ass in Florida, I don't want him. There aren't a whole hell of alot of ways to get charged with robbery with a deadly weapon without actually doing it. Unless this is mistaken identity or a hoax, that kid can keep his troubles in his own hood..........
and who is to say that it wasn't mistaken identity?
Remember, he was acquitted and there are fewer ways to skate any substantive charges of armed robbery than there are to be wrongly accused.
Why is this not surprising?
did you even bother to see the incident was in June of 2008? do you think these schools magically haven't found out or were aware of the incident when they offered a year or more later? that people on the internet discovered a felony charge that was never disclosed by his coaches, administrators, etc? this shit would be on his school record, let alone the material provided to schools interested in a player.
you figured nothing.
my point is i find it insanely arrogant that someone claims they 'thought something was fishy' all along while Florida just found out recently and dropped their offer. there's about 15 other reasons Florida may have dropped him. if you don't think someone with what appears to be TWO felony charges had this information widely known is ridiculous.
if the NCAA recruiting system is not transparent enough where teams are being surprised by charges that were filed between a year and a year and a half ago i'll eat my weight in bologna. you think somehow coaches are unaware, the school is unaware, his parents felt like they could hide public record and only recently Florida hired the A-Team to find this out?
i'm getting increasingly annoyed by posters on here acting like they're masters of the recruiting terrain and understand complexities that the coaches are still working on. like they're the Good Will Huntings of things that if only coaches would hire them everyone would be saved.
it wouldn't be the first time you've ranted on here about being all-knowing.
btw, it's way more likely that Florida cooled on him because of his academics and unwillingness to commit fully.
If Florida has a full house in terms of DB recruits and some recruits at a position of need are looking at the number they have offered v. the avaiable slots and have some doubts about their position in the class, it absolutely makes sense that FL would solidify their class numbers by removing a player that isn't fully committed at a position where they are stocked. Especially when Florida's position on him taking more visits was fairly common knowledge to those that follow recruiting.
It makes much more sense than thinking they have had a player committed to their class for a long time and just now, less than a week before signing day, dug into his background and summarily drop him b/c of a 2-year old charge for which he was acquitted.
I think the objection to your statement that something was 'fishy' is that it was made without knowing anything else and simply jumps to the worst conclusion without bothering to look into any other possible factors.
what? arrogance on this site? noooooooo.......
No apparent reason?
for noticing it also
I normally don't do this, but lol @ whoever negged my post.
Maybe it's because I was too vague. Hopefully this will be clearer:
Needed position? They have Ahmad Black, Josh Evans, Dee Finley and Will Hill already on campus, and have Jonathan Dowling, Matt Elam, Jordan Haden and Josh Shaw (who may be a safety) committed. Dorsey was a luxury to them.
No apparent reason? It was known WEEKS ago that they told Dorsey he would no longer have a scholarship to Florida if he continued to take visits. He visited FSU...and the Gators told him to kick rocks.
He was committed to Florida for 15 months. They didn't just magically find out about some character issues two weeks before he was scheduled to sign with them. They dumped him because they didn't want to deal with him looking around anymore.
hell, my score updates were getting similar attention
you're still the only other brian in my heart.
florida has plenty of DB talent to fill his spot and they didnt appreciate his looking around at other schools. not very fishy
for getting Meyer to take you?
Robbery with a deadly weapon at 16? Wow I guess he'd fit in at Free Shoes U though.
I didn't think Wisconsin was recruiting him.
This is from a year and a half ago and I have to think the coaches know about it. It would be interesting to see what came of the charges. I just feel like all these high-profile schools wouldn't want to recruit somebody convicted of robbery with a deadly weapon.
EDIT: OK probably Florida and USC, but RR wouldn't want that time bomb on his hands.
Armed robbery = no worries, kids make mistakes?
Despite what you may have heard to the contrary, not everybody murders, kills people, steals from you, or steals from me.
I absolutely believe in second chances, but nowhere in that bargain does it demand that we act as though the felony never happened. Part of being given a second chance is learning from the prior mistake. To do that, one cannot be shackled by a bad decision, but nor can one be entirely immunized from adverse consequences.
The difficult question is where the limit on those adverse consequences should lie, and you and I seem to disagree as to whether we should refrain from discussing the matter until a coach weighs in on the subject. (Unless you meant something else by "lets let this one go until one of the coaches addresses it").
Sure, it might have been a one time thing. Or, it's possible that the crowd he hangs with thinks its normal for everybody to be packing heat.
I have no patience for that kind of crowd - RichRod better (and surely will) do a ton of due diligence to see whether it was an isolated instance, or the norm.
I LOVE Michigan Football.....I LOVE Michigan......I would NEVER recruit a kid who was charged with ANY VIOLENT crime......I understand mistakes, just not when it involves violent crime. The best predictor of future behavior is PAST behavior......
For all you know it was a case of mistaken identity and court proceedings convined the jurors of that.
Being charged with a crime in no way impunes the kid's rep in my eyes unless he is found guilty.
If you are in the wrong place at the wrong time and match the description of someone that just committed armed robbery, you could get picked up, charged and have to clear your name in court. Would that constitute 'past activity' on your part?
drop him. i would rather play walk ons than criminals. just my opinion.
every time i see your user name i think of the movie hackers and Zero Cool. i love that movie
Sounds like a great fit for Miami.
keep in mind this
What is "Disposition Entered*"?
Case and count status of "disposition entered" signifies that although either a Court ruled on or disposed of the underlying case or count, or it was otherwise disposed of by operation of law, it nonetheless allows for the possibility that there may still be other actions or matters pending or due on or related to that case or count, including but not limited to, fine, fee or cost payments due; probation, restitution or special conditions pending; attorney's fees motions pending; defendant declared unable to stand trial and committed to a hospital; appeals pending; and others. Again, for complete and accurate information, you are cautioned to consult the official records of the Clerk of Court, which are only those records which are kept in the court files in the Clerk of Court's office in the Broward County Courthouse.
The fact all of these coaches are piling on for the kid should bring to light either
a) it's somehow not the same Demar Dorsey
b) charges were pushed aside for the sake of a misunderstanding
c) who the hell knows
It's definitely the same Dorsey, same birthdate and everything, the coaches must know something that we don't.
I thought Juvenile records are sealed, Like with Justin Feagin no one knew about his prior problems becasue his recored were sealed, I am not sure if this is true but I thought I heard this somewhere. or I could be making it up
I thought the same thing, but I think if a little google stalking can find, the coaches will find it. Maybe Feagin was a special case.
Maybe he was charged as an adult, rather than a juvi?
feagin didn't so much as see a courtroom.
Feagin also told police that he used to sell drugs in Florida and had been arrested for battery and trespass but faced no repercussions. Though Feagin said he didn't sell drugs at Michigan, Burke told police it was "common knowledge" that Feagin sold marijuana.
Everyone sells marijuana
Not every offense committed by a juvenile is a juvenile offense. Also, the age between "juvenile" and "adult" can be different in different states. It's possible that either those weren't juvenile offenses (and Feagin's were) or he wasn't a juvenile when he committed it (and Feagin was). If that makes sense.
I find it highly unlikely that a 2 year old case didn't come up for trial yet. Even murder cases come up faster.
that you are jumping to a conclusion without having anywhere near enough information. information that the multitude of coaches recruiting him surely have.
I don't know the whole story but the police acted stupidly.
A lot of times these kinds of websites (like the OTIS system in Michigan, http://www.state.mi.us/mdoc/asp/otis2.html) can go several months without being updated.
Another option is that he was offered an alternative sentence like a youth court/young offenders program which may not always appear as official sentences.
That said I think we should all reserve judgment, particularly when the details of the case are unclear.
it would be nice for you to link where you got this from, namely the Florida message board who seemed to find this earlier today. as of now it comes off like you're trying to break it as mgoblog exclusive
Posted: Today 3:44 PM
RE: 5 Star safty Dorsey decommits from Florida...
any truth to this being the reason Florida dropped Dorsey? apologies if the link doesn't work
That is from the Buckeye Recruiting Board on Scouts. Its on the third page.
i had noted the Gators because of this link google gave me
they were a bit earlier on the curve
ah i see. they probably got it from the Florida board and brought it to their board. I saw it on the buckeye board and GBW, but I guess it was taken down from Stadium and Main.
Stop being a little bitch. kthnxbye
people regularly post on here that they believe Rivals/Scout/News snipe stories/developments written on this site. yet when someone does the exact same, it's not right to demonstrate the same courtesy expected?
hell even wikipedia requires sources.
Lets hope she isn't the judge......or he is screwed.
le do it! le do it! le do it!
may be 3 fakes out 5! How do you get caught if your that fast. Should of asked sparty for a mask.
this is NOT why UF dropped him. they did so because they told him not to take any more visits after his Michigan official and he did so anyway.
do you really think we're this far in the game with FSU, USC, and Michigan recruiting him with no one knowing about this? my guess is this whole thing isn't anywhere near as big a deal as some of you are trying to make it out to be.
Either that or it's something in this kid's past that he's resolved to correct and not let happen again. It happens and if it's truly in the past people should give up the petty holier-than-though attitude and support the kid so that he keeps it in the past.
not done their due diligence. Assuming all this is true - football is Demar's ticket to a new life. I wish him the best.
Given the recent poor decisions of Gilbert Arenas and even the not so recent history of James Whitley at Mich, schools need to address these issues if there are concerns.
If Demar commits to Mich I would very much like him and/or the coaching staff to address this in a public forum.
While I do agree that this is a big deal, I disagree that this needs to be addressed in a public forum. He was never found guilty of anything as far as we know. Addressing this would make it legitimate and also not let Demar get past it.
Secondly, the case is closed and he apparently did not see any jail time. If he was tried on this count and the judge in anyway thought he posed a risk to the general public he would have seen some prison time.
In my opinion, we need to trust the coaches instincts and research.
public figure. They are tried in the courts of public opinion. Would that Mark McGwire understood this better. RR has a history of hardship case recruitment. This is a story that would be good to hear for both sides. We don't need more than an acknowledgement of where he is coming from wrt his history.
This sort of story is the least I expect of every Michigan football player - it just so happens that the vast majority of the stories are pretty straight forward.
I'm all for letting Demar get past this. A simple statement would do that. I hold the Michigan coaching staff accountable for Demar's recruitment. They need to communicate to Demar what signing with Michigan means to his future.
I personally hope to see him in the Maize and Blue - if all is good here.
Even the Florida board admits they dropped him because of other visits. I don't really know why there is any question about that. You must trust the coaches...whatever info they can get on players, they do.
This is from 2006 and now it is "news"?
PS: I searched for this on GBW and didn't see anything, are you sure you weren't fed it by another source?
It was "news" to me.
PS: I think it was taken down from Stadium and Main pretty fast. I saw it on the ohio state board too.
Conflicted because of Dorsey's athleticism, but very proud the high standards our University portrays. IMO, I think the signing of Parker AND Knight would offset Dorsey's stellar abilities on the field
this isnt an MIP, its a fairly serious offense. we all know if this happened anywhere else, especially msu, we would be chastising that program....
but then again, second chances etc. ill defer to the coaches, i suppose.
I am not going to lie and say Dorsey's past makes me happy. With that said; as of now I trust the coaching staff's judgment and I am not going to write off a kid before he even chooses us. I think the combination of family and Barwis will keep him out of trouble if he does come here.
I am curious as to whether this was not supposed to be public knowledge - this may not have been a permanent record offense, perhaps he had 2 years of ___ and then it stricken from his record by the time he enrolls in college?
Unlike Michigan, all of this stuff is public record. If I lived in Broward County, I could go to the courthouse and pull all his files from this case, and pay a standard fee per page. Florida has one of the better public records law in the country. In Michigan, we would have to FOIA this information.
Here is the link to the file:
According to this he was found not guilty by a jury on 11/19/08. So can we all please take a breath and relax. He was found not guilty by a jury and its in his past. He has the right to move on from this. Lets trust our coaches who know far more than we do.
Thank you for bring this up, because it brings out the point that most everyone here seems to have overlooked: innocent until proven guilty.
I don't think that what FSU and USC are doing on the recruiting trail should be a guidepost for what UM should be doing.
Did I say it should be?
the kid was acquitted of the charges. so what's the problem? he didn't do what he was accused of doing. end of story
So you just don't have any moral authority on this one, sorry buddy.
no no, didn't you hear? Florida just found out about this and stopped recruiting him because of it!
is there anything out there? I don't see it. Given the proximity of NSD I doubt RR would come out on this until after Demar decides at this point. Why go there?
I think the fact that they are actively recruiting him tells us that they knew about the acquittal.
It may not be fair to Dorsey, since the details are murky and the real truth is not clear, but Rich Rodriguez is not in the position where he can take a kid with even the appearance of this kind of stuff. All it will do is provide an opportunity for the RR-haters to bring up all the horseshit yet again, and then he has to defend himself for the millionth time against the character assassination that's been his lot ever since he came here. Boren, Wermers, Feagin, the Freep, all that crap will bubble to the surface, and will submerge the other side of the story, which is what the Mealers represent.
I wonder, though, if this is the reason that five coaches went down to see him—maybe they're trying to get the most accurate read possible on Dorsey.
RR took a kid from suburban Maryland with a criminal conviction while he was at WVU. He took a lot of heat for it, but last I read the kid turned out to be a good student. The problem is that RR is in a much different situation now regarding public perception of him, and if it ever gets to the point where RR's fate is hanging in the balance in the eyes of David Brandon, taking kids that are "questionable" in the eyes of some people can tip the scales. It's a gamble that I don't think RR can afford to take, or even needs to.
a post just above yours has a link that shows he was found innocent by a jury. also, FSU and USC are still recruiting him hard. do you think they would be doing so if the kid had been found guilty of this charge? because i don't
This sort of issue happens with kids. Each has to be looked at on a case by case basis. Look at Trulon Henry at Illinois. He's a 25 y.o. JR who was guilty of armed robbery. He's come out publically and is making good on his time.
Cissoko couldn't get away with missing a study table on RR's watch. This will work it's way out soon enough. I'm all for Demar if he's all for Michigan.
I realize the coaches have a lot more information than someone who did an arrest search at the Broward County Sheriff's Office Web site. At the same time, RR does not need this type of heat, fair or not.
These are serious charges (although it may have been later dropped), and I would much rather take someone like a Parker or Knight than a kid with this type of background, no matter his athletic ceiling. The risk is too great.
The charges weren't dropped. He was acquitted.
The knuckleheads covering recruiting on ESPN radio earlier today singled out Dorsey as one of the high-profile guys who haven't committed yet, and they said it was between FSU and USC for Dorsey. No mention of Michigan. I guess they don't read MGoBlog.
I found this on a search...I have never been to this site otherwise...