Just saw this at GBW and didn't see it here.
this week in unintentionally grim-sounding recruiting headlines
Just saw this at GBW and didn't see it here.
it isn't coming through.
how do i make it into a link?
try www.tinyurl.com, as your link appears to use every character, symbol, and number on the keyboard several times.
you get a +1 for directing me to that site.
I always saw that "tinyurl" thing as links, but never knew what it was. Now, I do
Interesting that this is from '08 and is the first I've heard of it.
Makes me wonder about the authenticity of the link/site it is linked to. Can't believe that the press (Freep) wouldn't have been all over this earlier.
Its pretty long, just copy and paste it in.
I don't know if this was in response to me or not, but Im the one who posted it. How do I make the long thing underlined in blue aka a link to the site. Don't post much so I don't know how to do it.
But if this is indeed true, that kid can stay his ass in Florida, I don't want him. There aren't a whole hell of alot of ways to get charged with robbery with a deadly weapon without actually doing it. Unless this is mistaken identity or a hoax, that kid can keep his troubles in his own hood..........
and who is to say that it wasn't mistaken identity?
Remember, he was acquitted and there are fewer ways to skate any substantive charges of armed robbery than there are to be wrongly accused.
Why is this not surprising?
did you even bother to see the incident was in June of 2008? do you think these schools magically haven't found out or were aware of the incident when they offered a year or more later? that people on the internet discovered a felony charge that was never disclosed by his coaches, administrators, etc? this shit would be on his school record, let alone the material provided to schools interested in a player.
you figured nothing.
my point is i find it insanely arrogant that someone claims they 'thought something was fishy' all along while Florida just found out recently and dropped their offer. there's about 15 other reasons Florida may have dropped him. if you don't think someone with what appears to be TWO felony charges had this information widely known is ridiculous.
if the NCAA recruiting system is not transparent enough where teams are being surprised by charges that were filed between a year and a year and a half ago i'll eat my weight in bologna. you think somehow coaches are unaware, the school is unaware, his parents felt like they could hide public record and only recently Florida hired the A-Team to find this out?
i'm getting increasingly annoyed by posters on here acting like they're masters of the recruiting terrain and understand complexities that the coaches are still working on. like they're the Good Will Huntings of things that if only coaches would hire them everyone would be saved.
it wouldn't be the first time you've ranted on here about being all-knowing.
btw, it's way more likely that Florida cooled on him because of his academics and unwillingness to commit fully.
If Florida has a full house in terms of DB recruits and some recruits at a position of need are looking at the number they have offered v. the avaiable slots and have some doubts about their position in the class, it absolutely makes sense that FL would solidify their class numbers by removing a player that isn't fully committed at a position where they are stocked. Especially when Florida's position on him taking more visits was fairly common knowledge to those that follow recruiting.
It makes much more sense than thinking they have had a player committed to their class for a long time and just now, less than a week before signing day, dug into his background and summarily drop him b/c of a 2-year old charge for which he was acquitted.
I think the objection to your statement that something was 'fishy' is that it was made without knowing anything else and simply jumps to the worst conclusion without bothering to look into any other possible factors.
what? arrogance on this site? noooooooo.......
No apparent reason?
for noticing it also
I normally don't do this, but lol @ whoever negged my post.
Maybe it's because I was too vague. Hopefully this will be clearer:
Needed position? They have Ahmad Black, Josh Evans, Dee Finley and Will Hill already on campus, and have Jonathan Dowling, Matt Elam, Jordan Haden and Josh Shaw (who may be a safety) committed. Dorsey was a luxury to them.
No apparent reason? It was known WEEKS ago that they told Dorsey he would no longer have a scholarship to Florida if he continued to take visits. He visited FSU...and the Gators told him to kick rocks.
He was committed to Florida for 15 months. They didn't just magically find out about some character issues two weeks before he was scheduled to sign with them. They dumped him because they didn't want to deal with him looking around anymore.
hell, my score updates were getting similar attention
you're still the only other brian in my heart.
florida has plenty of DB talent to fill his spot and they didnt appreciate his looking around at other schools. not very fishy
for getting Meyer to take you?
Robbery with a deadly weapon at 16? Wow I guess he'd fit in at Free Shoes U though.
I didn't think Wisconsin was recruiting him.
This is from a year and a half ago and I have to think the coaches know about it. It would be interesting to see what came of the charges. I just feel like all these high-profile schools wouldn't want to recruit somebody convicted of robbery with a deadly weapon.
EDIT: OK probably Florida and USC, but RR wouldn't want that time bomb on his hands.
Armed robbery = no worries, kids make mistakes?
Despite what you may have heard to the contrary, not everybody murders, kills people, steals from you, or steals from me.
I absolutely believe in second chances, but nowhere in that bargain does it demand that we act as though the felony never happened. Part of being given a second chance is learning from the prior mistake. To do that, one cannot be shackled by a bad decision, but nor can one be entirely immunized from adverse consequences.
The difficult question is where the limit on those adverse consequences should lie, and you and I seem to disagree as to whether we should refrain from discussing the matter until a coach weighs in on the subject. (Unless you meant something else by "lets let this one go until one of the coaches addresses it").
Sure, it might have been a one time thing. Or, it's possible that the crowd he hangs with thinks its normal for everybody to be packing heat.
I have no patience for that kind of crowd - RichRod better (and surely will) do a ton of due diligence to see whether it was an isolated instance, or the norm.
I LOVE Michigan Football.....I LOVE Michigan......I would NEVER recruit a kid who was charged with ANY VIOLENT crime......I understand mistakes, just not when it involves violent crime. The best predictor of future behavior is PAST behavior......
For all you know it was a case of mistaken identity and court proceedings convined the jurors of that.
Being charged with a crime in no way impunes the kid's rep in my eyes unless he is found guilty.
If you are in the wrong place at the wrong time and match the description of someone that just committed armed robbery, you could get picked up, charged and have to clear your name in court. Would that constitute 'past activity' on your part?
drop him. i would rather play walk ons than criminals. just my opinion.
every time i see your user name i think of the movie hackers and Zero Cool. i love that movie
Sounds like a great fit for Miami.
keep in mind this
What is "Disposition Entered*"?
Case and count status of "disposition entered" signifies that although either a Court ruled on or disposed of the underlying case or count, or it was otherwise disposed of by operation of law, it nonetheless allows for the possibility that there may still be other actions or matters pending or due on or related to that case or count, including but not limited to, fine, fee or cost payments due; probation, restitution or special conditions pending; attorney's fees motions pending; defendant declared unable to stand trial and committed to a hospital; appeals pending; and others. Again, for complete and accurate information, you are cautioned to consult the official records of the Clerk of Court, which are only those records which are kept in the court files in the Clerk of Court's office in the Broward County Courthouse.
The fact all of these coaches are piling on for the kid should bring to light either
a) it's somehow not the same Demar Dorsey
b) charges were pushed aside for the sake of a misunderstanding
c) who the hell knows
It's definitely the same Dorsey, same birthdate and everything, the coaches must know something that we don't.
I thought Juvenile records are sealed, Like with Justin Feagin no one knew about his prior problems becasue his recored were sealed, I am not sure if this is true but I thought I heard this somewhere. or I could be making it up
I thought the same thing, but I think if a little google stalking can find, the coaches will find it. Maybe Feagin was a special case.
Maybe he was charged as an adult, rather than a juvi?
feagin didn't so much as see a courtroom.
Feagin also told police that he used to sell drugs in Florida and had been arrested for battery and trespass but faced no repercussions. Though Feagin said he didn't sell drugs at Michigan, Burke told police it was "common knowledge" that Feagin sold marijuana.
Everyone sells marijuana
Not every offense committed by a juvenile is a juvenile offense. Also, the age between "juvenile" and "adult" can be different in different states. It's possible that either those weren't juvenile offenses (and Feagin's were) or he wasn't a juvenile when he committed it (and Feagin was). If that makes sense.
I find it highly unlikely that a 2 year old case didn't come up for trial yet. Even murder cases come up faster.
that you are jumping to a conclusion without having anywhere near enough information. information that the multitude of coaches recruiting him surely have.
I don't know the whole story but the police acted stupidly.
A lot of times these kinds of websites (like the OTIS system in Michigan, http://www.state.mi.us/mdoc/asp/otis2.html) can go several months without being updated.
Another option is that he was offered an alternative sentence like a youth court/young offenders program which may not always appear as official sentences.
That said I think we should all reserve judgment, particularly when the details of the case are unclear.
it would be nice for you to link where you got this from, namely the Florida message board who seemed to find this earlier today. as of now it comes off like you're trying to break it as mgoblog exclusive