Sweet Dude! We need one quick! Its T-shirt Time!
well that's just, like, your opinion, man
Sweet Dude! We need one quick! Its T-shirt Time!
I would be happy bringing in Greg Mattison. I would think he should be able to recruit, given his NFL ties. I just hope a hire is made, soon.
definitely need a hire by friday
He's 61 years old, so yeah, hire away...
I imagine you have a better solution, so I will bite...who is it?
I would rather hire someone younger. GM could do a fine job, but Bedford is 52 and Austin is 45. We have not had stability at the position, so a 61 yo just does not seem like a good idea.
I would be happy with Bedford, but I would think that would have been a done deal by now. I could be way off on my assumptions, but none the less its what I am thinking.
when Urban decided to come back to Florida he offered a big paycheck to Bedford in an attempt to make him DC. He stuck with Strong for a heck of a lot less.
How about we worry about getting someone good, over worrying about age. Last time I checked the Raven's have a good defense.
Not sure how much credit of that goes to Mattison.
Dick Lebeau is 74 and has the Steelers rockin.
The Age Discrimination in Employment Act (ADEA) only forbids age discrimination against people who are age 40 or older. It does not protect workers under the age of 40, although some states do have laws that protect younger workers from age discrimination.
I must be getting old.
If Michigan was an NFL team, I would agree with you, but the college game is different.
DC has to have enough energy to travel all across the country at the drop of the hat and have to relate to 17 year old kids. If you are a DC in NFL, you can put the hours in the tape room which is much easier for 60+ old guys.
You want younger guys with lots of energy as your coordinator.
"You want younger guys with lots of energy as your coordinator."
Actually I just want someone good, who can maybe develop talent. Being a good recruit is good, but it has been said that the actual position coaches do most of the recruiting.
I highly disagree. There are occasions that it is easier for a much older coach with vast amounts of experience to relate to the younger player than it is for a coach who is just 15 or 20 years older. Making this broad generalization is stupid and dangerous. Hire the guy for DC who (1) wants to be here, (2) can make good in-game and pre-game decisions and adjustments and (3) can recruit his tail off for Michigan. Things like age shouldnt come into play for a coordinator job, its not like he his being hired to be DC and coach-in-waiting.
Apparently you don't keep up with society 60 is the new 50!
61 is the new 51!
I think you mean Medicare. He's approaching 65 and with his salary, Medicaid is probably not in the cards.
A good coordinator if successful will be hired away anyway. Coordinators are constantly being turned over, either because they suck and get fired or are good and get promoted somewhere else. Age does not concern me here.
I'd take either one, they would both be great recruiters....especially with Austin and his FL ties! Open the wallet DB and get one!
I hoke it's not Mattison. I believe he was replaced by Jim Hermann after Mattison left for ND, and I think it felt like an upgrade.
Why would someone leave a great DC job for a good NFL team to coach us, doesnt seem like a good move. Unless he has very strong michigan ties
You must have missed the memo.
...strong Hoke ties. Hoke replaced Mattison as D Line Coach when Mattison moved up to DC. Hoke and Mattison coached together at Western Michigan in the mid 1980's.
the D improved while under mattison until he left in 1996; peaked in 1997 under hermann; than started its gradual decent to oblivion til hermann was fired.
he's probably getting up there in age but i would take him in a heartbeat to help turn this D around.
the Ravens have a pretty good defense. Is this true?
Nah it's a fantasy.
ONLY ITS REAL!
Rumblings about Mattison's job security.
Which is strange, considering that the Ravens O was the side of the ball that looked miserable against the Steelers. I was pretty impressed by their D, they were just on the field entirely too long.
the antics of the last three years...it will be hard for me to forget Gerg rubbing that fuzzy brown thing on people. I feel weird even typing that.
They gave up 31?! How is that impressive D? Besides the first 20 min I wasnt that impressed.
Try reading the box score. Baltimore gave up only 5.1 yards per attempt. That is a pretty good number. Problem is, Flacco was held to 2.6 ypa. You don't win many games when you have a -2.5 ypa differential.
The actual point total in the game had little to do with the quality of the offenses. That happens.
but is 5.1 pp really that good? That means on average you are picking up a first down every two plays....seems a little high IMHE.
Two fumbles and an interception inside your own 25 yard line will do that to a defense. Honestly they are lucky it wasn't worse, those three turnovers translated to 17 points right there.
Two double posts in a row, sorry.
Just Snyder name-dropping people previously associated with Hoke. No suggestion anywhere that they are names he's actually considering.
Looks like little more than space filler.
Take it FWIW, but scout has been bringing up these guy's non stop since the hire.
would Greg Mattison really give up a DC job with one of the top defenses in the NFL to be the DC at Michigan? Hard to believe, but I'd take it if it's true... though it makes me nervous to have a DC named GREG.
was thinking the same thing. why would anyone downgrade to the same position like that? Sounds like wishful thinking
The 'buzz' to which I was referring was the Scout premium board. No additional explanation was given.
Some people in Baltimore are not crazy about Mattison. Better job security might be at Michigan.
Even still, I won't believe it til I see it. Fans always find something to complain about, even when things are going fine. The defense looked pretty good in their playoff game.
i suppose... but then again i don't want someone coming to michigan cause they're worried about losing their other job.... THIS IS MICHIGAN FOR GODS SAKES!
Those two are not getting any younger, that D will never be the same once they hang it up.
I really see nothing wrong with it.
we'd end up calling him GERG out of habit.
I thought he burned a bridge or two when he left for ND..
He's available right now. You would think that if he were the guy, they would have hired him by now. So I'm thinking Hoke would prefer someone different. But if it were possible to get Austin for DBs (again, he's jobless right now) that would be great for recruiting--especially if we get an NFL guy.
He's available right now. You would think that if he were the guy, they would have hired him by now.
That's what we said about Hoke.
......most important qualification is that it must be anupgrade from GERG. That would actually include about 99% of the human race though.
So, someone that hascoached some good defense in their day, like Mattison, would be a treat here.
reports and online speculation, it appears that the most important qualification is that the DC have Michigan ties. Why get the best DC available (whomever that might be) when someone with UM ties could be persuaded to come back?
Seriously doubt its going to be Shannon!
I really hope for recruiting sake that we have a DC by friday. Otherwise we wont be selling the totally package of types of schemes and how a defensive recruit will be used! I am all in for Teryl Austin!
why would we hire a guy "by now." we have to let these guys breath... to bring out their tannins.. think about the tannins!!
Dienhart on Twitter is kind of scary. A national source gives credibility to a local story. Austin would be the best of the pair and we should all be pleased if he were to come. However until we see a real announcement, this is all rumors trying to fill the empty hole that is our DC position right now.
If Austin were the guy, I feel like he would have been hired by now.
I don't see why Mattison would give up his NFL DC job for a college DC job, but whatever. I hope he does because he seems to know what he's doing and telling kids that he coached Ray Lewis, Suggs, and Ed Reed would probably go a long way in recruiting.
I still think it's going to be a guy we're not discussing, though.
Magnus - my traditional train of thought would tell me to agree. However, after seeing how the head coach serach went, the time it took, and the fact that we got the guy we all "expected" to get, I am not sure I would agree.
With that said, what other names are out there, that we are not mentioning?
Not to be snide, but there are hundreds of other names out there that we're not discussing. I really have no idea. I just think that if it was any of the guys mentioned so frequently (Trgovac, Austin, Mattison), it would have been announced by now.
Your logic is correct, but Hoke was also mentioned early and frequently. And we all see what happened with that!
Fair enough. You are most likey correct on that it would be a done deal if it were one of those names. I was just curious if there were any names being thrown around that I havent heard. I will just sit back, and enjoy the show.
Visit, meet the new coach, etc. Really the only coaches this rules out are those currently coaching in the NFL playoffs.
I still think Hoke is waiting to talk to his brother.
But this sounds very very similar to the head coaching discussion, doesn't it?
Yeah, it does...
The only way it makes sense, IMO, is if Mike Trgovac doesn't want to distract himself from making a run at the Super Bowl with the Packers. I don't really think a DL coach's future would mess up a team's chemistry, but whatev.
I'm sort of in the thinking that we'd have Austin right now if we wanted him. Or they're taking just as long as they did with the HC search to feel out the market, because this is kind of similar to what I thought about Hoke.
Some random PSU fan posted on GBW's free board earlier today that Hoke has asked to talk to Tom Bradley FWIW.
I really can't believe corwin brown isn't being talked to for DC, is he not thought that high of in ann arbor?
The mods at Rivals said that Corwin Brown's name hasn't popped up anywhere...
...except message boards.
He did say some unflattering things about Michigan, but then again...what ex-Michigan coach hasn't burned a bridge in some way or another?
Not particularly. Ron English would run circles around brown as a dc or even db coach. Good player. Questionable coach. Mattison is interesting though. He recmmended home for a job at Michigan I think. That would be a very good hire on many levels. Recruiting. Scheme. Michigan. He knows the Midwest very well and could woo much interest from players with his NFL experience.
That's a little too harsh.
English has failed to make a perennial loser into a winner.
That doesn't mean English himself is a loser.
The worst decision RE ever made was to take the EMU job.
I would absolutely love Mattison. But would he leave Baltimore, which is a pretty sweet gig, to come back to Michigan?
That is all.
if he would come, however, is doubtful.
I'm intrigued by Corwin Brown. But really, just pick someone and get the show on the road.
but I'll have to see their hair before I can accept any decisions.
Mattison was Michigan's DC and left to become Notre Dame's DC. That should disqualify him . He's not a Michigan man.
I had the opportunity to spend some time with the Mattison family a little bit the summer before he took the ND job, and my dad ran into his wife in Ann Arbor shortly after he took it.
It was clear both before and after that there was no one who loved Michigan more than Greg Mattison and the Mattison family. Period. They loved Ann Arbor, they loved being a part of our program, but the Notre Dame offer (both financially and what it would provide for Greg's family) was just too much to pass up. His daughter played sports at ND, and he ended up getting to coach his son at Florida.
In the coaching world, when you're an assistant coach, when you probably don't have too much chance or ambition to jump to being a head coach, you tend to take job offers that are good for your family. Yeah, it was Notre Dame, but it was a lateral move that provided more. So, even though the timing was a bit bad, I don't particularly blame Greg Mattison for going to South Bend, nor do I particularly hold it against him. He's a great coach, and I think he'd be a great fit here again.
All your points about Mattison are duelly noted,HOWEVER Mattison turned his back on Carr and what he was trying to build as a new coach, He left for the same position with one of our rivals. I guess that slogan "Those who stay will be champions" didn't really resonate with him. He left for all those reasons you gave and might have been the right decision for him at the time , but shouldn't be aloud to come back again. Would Bo hire Frieder back?
Negged for being serious while using the term, "Michigan Man."
A bit of sarcasm with using that term Michigan Man. It has been drum beated against RR so I mentioned it about Mattison. RR left his alma mater and a secure HC position at West Virginia because Michigan called.He gave up alot. He wasn't regarded as a "Michigan Man" by some whatever he did and how badly he wanted to stay as coach. How silly some of you Mich fans are. Mattison turned his back on Carr, makes a lateral move to one of our rivals and you give him a pass. Lets be consistant . Mattison is NOT a Michigan Man.
I just don't understand why this wasn't predetermined when we hired Hoke. This unfortunately seems like the HC search-many of thought that when RR was let go things were lined up. Obviously not the case, even at the next level down.
Who knows about the validity of this, but this is Ron English on facebook's status...
"Just got a call from Coach Hoke, BIG news to follow....."
Doubtful on its truthyness
That is all.
At least we know its not actually the real Ron English.
The points on this board surrounding these names seems eerily similar to the HC search. 1. If it was really Austin, it would've probably happened already. Thus, it is not Austin (Hoke). 2. Greg isn't going to do it, he's got a better opportunity in the NFL (Harbaugh) or is too old (Miles). Given recent history, it seems as though we should steer away from the obvious reasons for and against a candidate as being the actual reasons why or why not we may land a DC.
Actually, that makes a lot of sense. Shannon is the sexy name that always comes up but is very unlikely (Gruden), Trgovac is the guy in a winning situation who we seem to think might come here because we're MICHIGAN (Patterson)...can't figure out who would be Fitzgerald.
Just get the DC job at Texas? Or am I missing something?
Just saw on Twitter that Ron English just put something up on Facebook about how he just receieved a call from Coach Hoke and that big news is coming out soon. English as the DC again?
Not trying to be the grammar police, but did you forget the i before e rule and decide to do both? i before e except after c, when it's between e's.
He seems to really like being a head coach!
Nothing more. Whoever the DC ends up being, Snyder will not be the first to know.
I think the Fortress is back and were going to have to adjust to no info for the foreseeable future ladies and gentlemen.
Is if Mattison was the first choice, was given an opportunity to mull over the job following the Ravens' loss, and is still thinking about the position. Austin would be the #2 guy and would only be offered if Mattison said no. Therefore, that's why Austin isn't the DC yet.
I find this scenario highly unlikely. First, IMO the only way Mattison leaves is if he gets a pay raise, and since Michigan should not pay Hoke a high salary (as he doesn't deserve one), a pay raise for Mattison would probably mean he would only be making a little less than Hoke. Second, there's no reason why he would leave, the reasons for which are obvious and already mentioned by several posters. Austin is available. We can only hope they are ironing out the details.
But given the time lapse, it really doesn't look promising.