Defensive Coordinator: 2011 and beyond
...but that's laughable.
Too good for the job?! I suppose we can call Bill Sheridan then, and see if he'd take it. That is, in this hypothetical search for a new DC.
Gunther Cunningham. His work with the Lions is something for us all to marvel at.
He also has some very nice old man hair like GERG.
For Big10-level talent + depth.
I really don't know...but i think with how young our team is we will be fine in 2011 and beyond on defense.
Why? We are 4-0. Why would we be talking about vacancies in coaching positions. Yes, we all know that the defense sucks. How is this in any way GERG's fault?
I very much doubt that Nick Saban (regarded by many as the best D coach out there) could do much better with the youth, lack of depth, and in some spots, lack of talent that we are fielding on defense. What our program needs is consistency over the next few years. GERG is not exciting, but he is fine.
This is not a criticism of our D players. They are hustling their asses off - except against UMass - but there are limitations.
We must protect this house!
I hope this isn't one of those "If Troy Woolfolk were to encounter a season ending injury, which freshman would step up to fill the void at corner?" type threads.
are we talking about a hurricane or a hurricane named Ditka?
Ohhh come on now. You obviously haven't see Bill Swerki's Superfans in awhile. The proper comparison would be between Mike Ditka...or a hurricane named Ditka.
Bill will let is slide though...
Dave Wannstadt. ("Awwww, Wannie!")
I'm going to meet this with the same response I offered to all of the "if RR is not our coach next year, omgz who do you want?" threads. We have a DC in Greg Robinson who is piecing together a functional defense littered with more freshmen on the two-deep than any other D-1 team I can name at present. He's been here a little over a year. Let's give the guy a modicrum of a chance before we name his successor.
but it appears to be in short supply in 2010.
so you suggest that the defensive coordinator you are dreaming of replacing after 16 total games at michigan with a young and shallow roster might get a head coaching job somewhere else.
If we can't keep Gerg, then I think we should at least keep his hair.
Ain't a chance in hell we get Gerg's hair off of him. From his cold, dead, mousse-covered hands.
That kid's going places. And so is his mustache.
Anyone but Gerg. I'm certainly not in his camp. You guys can make all the excuses you want about having young players, only two years in the system, etc, but he's not a good DC. Heck, learning a new defense is not that difficult. Offense is always more complicated. Not to mention what track record does he bring? He only had success at the Broncos. Even then, we all know the arguements regarding successful NFL coaches having success in college. Our defense has regressed significantly since Shafer... I'm willing to bet quite a large amount he'll be gone by the start of next season.
gremlin is right. This board stays pretty reasonable on most topics in my opinion, but the love and defending of GERG just seems unjustified. The man has nice hair, but a terrible track record. He has never given me consistent reasons to believe that he is a good coach.
i will take that bet. i am not going to rationalize the bgsu game or umass game, but from everything i have read from the players they support GERG. i think these guys are going to get better and better as the season goes on, if they keep healthy.
I'll certainly take you on that bet. Just like head coaches should see at least their third season to get a good evaluation, so should coordinators. Even if you doubt his ability, we need to see what he can do with guys that he's coached for three years and aren't all true freshman.
Giving a defensive coordinator 3 years to see results is ridiculous. As I said, defense is much easier to learn than offense. Not to mention Gerg doesn't have RR's track record of a significant jump in production after year 2/3. Not to mention, it will be almost impossible not to improve given how bad our defense is once again.
what are you basing the claim of "defense is much easier to learn than offense" on?
i feel like they are each difficult in their own ways
Judging a coach or coordinator after just two years on the job with numerous deficiencies still existing from former staff's recruting decisions. Look at the two deep. After you have completed that task please tell me how a team like Michigan cannot have any seniors capable of playing the safety position. Then explain to my why Jordan Kivacs was the starter last year and Kevin Leach started a significant amount of the season. Those aren't excuses, those are reasons my friend. There is a bunch of inexperience there. Another problem is the fact that the experienced players (Ezeh primarily) are not good. Is it Gergs fault he makes terrible reads on PA and runs in place for six seconds only to gut in a shoving match with a blocker at the second level? No, it isn't at this point. Is it his fault Warren left, Woolfol was injured and Cissoko couldn't stay out of trouble? I wouldn't think so.
At the end of the day you have to look at our defensive roster and say to yourself, "How in the fuck could that have happened here?" It shouldn't have. This kind of situation can and should exist at Iowa State, but not at Michigan. If you cannot recognize that fact then I'm sorry.
I'm not saying GERG is the answer. We don't know that yet. What I am saying is that it is ridiculous to call a DC a failure with two years of proof when his roster consisted of walk ons and busts if you will.
This is 100% correct. He has started a new scheme change that was similar to last year but still new. We also are extremely young in our W deep. Just like this years offense, next year we should be allowed to judge if our defense is going in the right direction.
There is no quick fix to our situation right now. Maturity, physical development and experience will make our defense improve.
Sooooo, you're saying we fire GERG, hire someone else, and do the same thing all over again? We already tailspinned from Shaffer to Robinson. I don't care if Moses is coaching our defense right now -- it wouldn't be successful with the lack of depth and experience.
HE HAS THE HAIR OF A WINNER I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU SAY. THE FLUFF, THE BOUNCE, THE SHEEN, THE VITALITY...THOSE WHO GROOM WILL BE CHAMPIONS!!!!!
Here is the problem with this thread as I see it...It sucks. We have zero indication GERG won't be here in the near future, why would we talk about this.
Zero indication? How about how terrible our defense has been. Is that indication enough?
This isn't PS3. We can't fire/hire coaches and immediately come in and have success, PERIOD. There is more to this beyond our current defense, too. You think as a potential defensive recruit, you'd be happy with another DC?
100% yes. I actually blame Gerg for a lot of the players we're losing on the defensive side of the ball. Guys sign the dotted line to play for RR, then realize head coaches rarely spend significant time with defenses, and they're stuck with Gerg, who IME is an odd guy.
Odd guy? Have you conversed over coffee? How can you blame him for the departures? We have log jams of guys competing for starting jobs -- and they're all young. The guys who are leaving are getting beat out by younger guys (Turner (Everyone), Vlad (Gordon), Lalota (Black)). If I'm a recruit, I want to play for a guy who has coached in the NFL and has had success and want to know the position he wants me to play and play it. I won't want to sign my LOI not knowing who my next coach will be. I'm not saying Robinson is a defensive genius but I am saying it sure as hell isn't his fault.
GERG has two Super Bowl rings, two more than anyone else on the staff. He didn't get those because he was an idiot. I'll stick with him for the forseeable future.
Charlie Weis has super bowl rings, too.
I'm not sure that his defense ever really translated well to college. Texas was good in '05 in spite of their defense. Syracuse was a disaster.
are getting worse. you supply no factual information only conjecture and epinion (which you are entitled to) for your disdain for GERG and our 'd'. the worst part is that you have now blamed GERG for losing players from the 'd' side of the ball based on RR recruiting them and then not getting to go to dinner at his house enough! seriously!! GO BLUE!!!
(should have been in response to gremlin 100% comment)
I am not necessarily defending the quality of the thread but he did not suggest that GERG would not be here. He was just simply asking who the mgoblog community might like to see as Michigan's coordinator if we did not (for whatever reason) have GERG and his lovely locks.
Ron English.. I hear he is a hell of a coach
His squad held OSU to 73 points on Saturday.
I'm sure we could get Tony Dungy.
No question. Maybe if Ralph were 10 years younger...
agree - if anyone should know that it is not good for older wrinkly gentlemen to wear older wrinkly leather coats, it would be ralph lauren. that is why GERG sticks with nice soft cotton.
think before you post.
I mean it. Seriously? We're 4-0,looking better and deeper than last year everywhere except the kicking game (see kicking, not returnng), we haven't had one B10 game yet and you're looking for ideas to fill vacanies that don't even exist?!?
Unless GERG talks of retirement or we have 11 excellent seniors playing together and still giving up 350+ yards per game to UMASS or MAC teams I don't want to hear it.
Hypothetical coaching changes are fine for 'do you think Jim Harbaugh might go to the NFL like his brother next year?' But let's leave the Michigan coaching staff out of the conversation.
I thought it was common knowledge that the defense Robinson is running right now is out of necessity and not what he actually wants to run. They have made the decision that they will play soft zone coverage to protect our extremely inexperienced secondary. Yes, of course I can't stand watching a 3 man rush all game, but I honestly think there's nothing we can do until the secondary is better, and older. Instead of a new DC, I'll take the defense Robinson ran at Texas.
If in 1-2 years we're still running this weak rush and corners 15 yards off the WRs, then I'll swing by Ann Arbor Torch and Pitchfork, but GERG gets a free pass for this year. He has a whole stable of freshman DBs and as long as they improve I'm happy.
This year it's all about "Less than 35 points game allowed." Dilithium can put 35 on the boards against the defenses we'll face, so hold them to less than that and we win. The Lloyd Carr era Defense of QB Death can hopefully rear its head again as our defense gets more playing time.
As for my dream: Lloyd Carr in his prime or the late Jim Johnson
If we were, for some reason, to get a new defensive coordinator, I would love us to steal Bud Foster away from Va Tech. Virutally no chance for thatnto happen though.
Yeah he and Ron English can go grab a burger at Sidetracks in Ypsi and talk about the time they got their worlds rocked by FCS teams. Pass.
I know Bud Foster has an impressive body of work and all, but I like to be able to check the "Never Lost to a FCS Team when Ranked" box on the hiring form.
Virginia Techs defense gave up one TD drive, the other 14 points in that came off turnovers deep in VaTechs zone. Techs defense was had pretty much none of the blame in that loss, IMO.
Yeah but they also didn't step up and take the game on their shoulders. An elite FBS Defense (like Bud Foster is supposed to create) should be capable of forcing some turnovers, grabbing a pick and helping the offense out.
Maybe it's a mindset thing, but I was coached that if the offense is having an off day the D steps up and sets the tone. Kind of like how the D did in the Brady Quinn for Heisman Bowl.
Keep GERG, replace Gibson.
Some folks just arent capabe of sitting back and enjoying things while letting the season play out.
I feel so sad for those people, a handful of them are in this thread.
nice coinage. Right up there with infinitesticle or flustrated.
Someone please post the "Jesus tap dancing Christ on a cracker"
PLEASE......before my head asplodes.
I was thinking about it yesterday, and was thinking to myself that maybe the move to the 3-3-5 stack (it is NOT a stack)(yes it is)(No it is NOT...), which GERG has little experience with, is a precursor to a move at DC to Jeff Casteel, who is DC and LB position coach? Maybe he has figured out Bill Stewart is not a good football coach, and is looking to move? Not suggesting this should or shouldn't happen, the thought just crossed my head yesterday.
I think if Casteel moves on, it will be to a head coaching position somewhere.
I'll coach the Defense!!
I nominate Denard Robinson, did you see the way he was diagnosing those rollouts in the UMass game
What if we were to replace the OP of this thread? Then we wouldn't have to waste time listening to people complain about only being 4-0. We should easily be 5-0 by now but GERG sucks.....
We could use an office linebacker!
Whoever we get has to be legit at recruiting!! While coaching is a part of winning you have to have talent and depth, which we severely lack. Just pray that Mike Martin doesn't go pro!
I'd take anyone from Penn State or even, sigh, OSU. Their defensive units are always strong. Give me some of that w/ our offense and we're unbeatable in 2011.
Now let's go have a God Damn Snack!
This thread really pissed me off.
GERG most likely loves scrotum at recruiting because he is old enough to have given Charlie Chaplin a hand job, but he is all we have and I love him. His hair speaks for itself. I know, it bought me a fine bourbon last Saturday night.
What did GERG do to draw such scorn from some of you? Seriously...
GERG wigs.I want to see peeps wearing them.
Student section, I'm looking at you.
I understand the OP may have been asking a hypothetical question about what if, and not trying to incite an e-riot. However, right now, lets focus on what we have, why we have it, and enjoy being 4-0 (hopefully 5-0 soon). The folks stating why this isn't all on our DC, that we basically are playing all freshmen in our secondary, and even our upperclassmen are mostly playing like freshmen. Could he do better? I don't know, could you? Granted he's being paid to do better, but give him a chance to do it. Can you imagine if we hadn't given RR a chance to build this offense? I we had fired him last year? Or after his first year as many rabid "fans" were screaming for. Maybe we won't have a great season this year, and maybe that will be our defenses fault. But if we have an offense scoring 40+ PPG will you be screaming for RR's head? If so, I think you're an idiot. Now, if our defense gets worse next year, perhaps then we should have this discussion.
I think Robinson is the right guy for the defense but I really believe the type of defense we run is what raises questions for me. Running a 3-3-5 stack defense in the Big 10 just doesn't make sense to me when you have teams like Iowa, Penn State, and Wisconsin looking to run it down your throat. The 3-3-5 worked well in the Big East for Rich Rod in the Big East because he didn't have Big 10 offensive lines and runningbacks to defend. I really think a 4-3 defense with Martin, Campbell (Former prized 5 star), RVB, and either Roh or Banks depending on how they want to use their players would be so much better for them in the future against these Big 10 teams. Now I know the DT spot is thin right now for a 4-3 defense but a difference in recruiting could help that. Just an idea thrown out there. Either way, Go Blue.