Who would you guys want to be Michigan's Defensive Coordinator if, for whatever reason, there is a vacancy at the position at some point in the couple years?
a terrible blight on our fine country
...but that's laughable.
Too good for the job?! I suppose we can call Bill Sheridan then, and see if he'd take it. That is, in this hypothetical search for a new DC.
Gunther Cunningham. His work with the Lions is something for us all to marvel at.
He also has some very nice old man hair like GERG.
For Big10-level talent + depth.
I really don't know...but i think with how young our team is we will be fine in 2011 and beyond on defense.
Why? We are 4-0. Why would we be talking about vacancies in coaching positions. Yes, we all know that the defense sucks. How is this in any way GERG's fault?
I very much doubt that Nick Saban (regarded by many as the best D coach out there) could do much better with the youth, lack of depth, and in some spots, lack of talent that we are fielding on defense. What our program needs is consistency over the next few years. GERG is not exciting, but he is fine.
This is not a criticism of our D players. They are hustling their asses off - except against UMass - but there are limitations.
We must protect this house!
I hope this isn't one of those "If Troy Woolfolk were to encounter a season ending injury, which freshman would step up to fill the void at corner?" type threads.
are we talking about a hurricane or a hurricane named Ditka?
Ohhh come on now. You obviously haven't see Bill Swerki's Superfans in awhile. The proper comparison would be between Mike Ditka...or a hurricane named Ditka.
Bill will let is slide though...
Dave Wannstadt. ("Awwww, Wannie!")
I'm going to meet this with the same response I offered to all of the "if RR is not our coach next year, omgz who do you want?" threads. We have a DC in Greg Robinson who is piecing together a functional defense littered with more freshmen on the two-deep than any other D-1 team I can name at present. He's been here a little over a year. Let's give the guy a modicrum of a chance before we name his successor.
but it appears to be in short supply in 2010.
so you suggest that the defensive coordinator you are dreaming of replacing after 16 total games at michigan with a young and shallow roster might get a head coaching job somewhere else.
If we can't keep Gerg, then I think we should at least keep his hair.
Ain't a chance in hell we get Gerg's hair off of him. From his cold, dead, mousse-covered hands.
That kid's going places. And so is his mustache.
Anyone but Gerg. I'm certainly not in his camp. You guys can make all the excuses you want about having young players, only two years in the system, etc, but he's not a good DC. Heck, learning a new defense is not that difficult. Offense is always more complicated. Not to mention what track record does he bring? He only had success at the Broncos. Even then, we all know the arguements regarding successful NFL coaches having success in college. Our defense has regressed significantly since Shafer... I'm willing to bet quite a large amount he'll be gone by the start of next season.
gremlin is right. This board stays pretty reasonable on most topics in my opinion, but the love and defending of GERG just seems unjustified. The man has nice hair, but a terrible track record. He has never given me consistent reasons to believe that he is a good coach.
i will take that bet. i am not going to rationalize the bgsu game or umass game, but from everything i have read from the players they support GERG. i think these guys are going to get better and better as the season goes on, if they keep healthy.
I'll certainly take you on that bet. Just like head coaches should see at least their third season to get a good evaluation, so should coordinators. Even if you doubt his ability, we need to see what he can do with guys that he's coached for three years and aren't all true freshman.
Giving a defensive coordinator 3 years to see results is ridiculous. As I said, defense is much easier to learn than offense. Not to mention Gerg doesn't have RR's track record of a significant jump in production after year 2/3. Not to mention, it will be almost impossible not to improve given how bad our defense is once again.
what are you basing the claim of "defense is much easier to learn than offense" on?
i feel like they are each difficult in their own ways
Judging a coach or coordinator after just two years on the job with numerous deficiencies still existing from former staff's recruting decisions. Look at the two deep. After you have completed that task please tell me how a team like Michigan cannot have any seniors capable of playing the safety position. Then explain to my why Jordan Kivacs was the starter last year and Kevin Leach started a significant amount of the season. Those aren't excuses, those are reasons my friend. There is a bunch of inexperience there. Another problem is the fact that the experienced players (Ezeh primarily) are not good. Is it Gergs fault he makes terrible reads on PA and runs in place for six seconds only to gut in a shoving match with a blocker at the second level? No, it isn't at this point. Is it his fault Warren left, Woolfol was injured and Cissoko couldn't stay out of trouble? I wouldn't think so.
At the end of the day you have to look at our defensive roster and say to yourself, "How in the fuck could that have happened here?" It shouldn't have. This kind of situation can and should exist at Iowa State, but not at Michigan. If you cannot recognize that fact then I'm sorry.
I'm not saying GERG is the answer. We don't know that yet. What I am saying is that it is ridiculous to call a DC a failure with two years of proof when his roster consisted of walk ons and busts if you will.
This is 100% correct. He has started a new scheme change that was similar to last year but still new. We also are extremely young in our W deep. Just like this years offense, next year we should be allowed to judge if our defense is going in the right direction.
There is no quick fix to our situation right now. Maturity, physical development and experience will make our defense improve.
Sooooo, you're saying we fire GERG, hire someone else, and do the same thing all over again? We already tailspinned from Shaffer to Robinson. I don't care if Moses is coaching our defense right now -- it wouldn't be successful with the lack of depth and experience.
HE HAS THE HAIR OF A WINNER I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU SAY. THE FLUFF, THE BOUNCE, THE SHEEN, THE VITALITY...THOSE WHO GROOM WILL BE CHAMPIONS!!!!!
Here is the problem with this thread as I see it...It sucks. We have zero indication GERG won't be here in the near future, why would we talk about this.
Zero indication? How about how terrible our defense has been. Is that indication enough?
This isn't PS3. We can't fire/hire coaches and immediately come in and have success, PERIOD. There is more to this beyond our current defense, too. You think as a potential defensive recruit, you'd be happy with another DC?
100% yes. I actually blame Gerg for a lot of the players we're losing on the defensive side of the ball. Guys sign the dotted line to play for RR, then realize head coaches rarely spend significant time with defenses, and they're stuck with Gerg, who IME is an odd guy.
Odd guy? Have you conversed over coffee? How can you blame him for the departures? We have log jams of guys competing for starting jobs -- and they're all young. The guys who are leaving are getting beat out by younger guys (Turner (Everyone), Vlad (Gordon), Lalota (Black)). If I'm a recruit, I want to play for a guy who has coached in the NFL and has had success and want to know the position he wants me to play and play it. I won't want to sign my LOI not knowing who my next coach will be. I'm not saying Robinson is a defensive genius but I am saying it sure as hell isn't his fault.
GERG has two Super Bowl rings, two more than anyone else on the staff. He didn't get those because he was an idiot. I'll stick with him for the forseeable future.
Charlie Weis has super bowl rings, too.
I'm not sure that his defense ever really translated well to college. Texas was good in '05 in spite of their defense. Syracuse was a disaster.
are getting worse. you supply no factual information only conjecture and epinion (which you are entitled to) for your disdain for GERG and our 'd'. the worst part is that you have now blamed GERG for losing players from the 'd' side of the ball based on RR recruiting them and then not getting to go to dinner at his house enough! seriously!! GO BLUE!!!
(should have been in response to gremlin 100% comment)