Did you know there are people who actually listen to Justin Beiber and Lady Gaga?
Defending the Indefensible/I HATE you Buckeye Fans
People will start believing you if you do.
I'll just go ahead and say it. I'm a 32 year old man, and I like Lady Gaga.
with her withered flesh, her sagging breasts. . . Or do I have it the wrong way round?
(See if anybody gets THIS reference!)
Denial isn't just a river in Africia ya know. (ZING! $2 you've never heard that one before!)
But yea... at the end of the day it's simply fan Denial, and the same thing happens anywhere and everywhere that bad news for a sports team comes down the pipe.
gets really vehement and scary just before people reach the point where they can deny no more. A very bad hangover is about to follow.
You're assuming the individual in question is of sound mind in the first place. IN this case that's debatable.
Those that are defending him and his actions are wearing scarlet and grey shades. They can see no evil.
On some level I get a group of Buckeye fans in a bar in Columbus sitting around coming up with half-crocked defenses of the guy knowing if they dare say otherwise in said setting their heads may be stoved in with blunt objects.
I also understand Buckeye fan who either in fear of the unknown future without the Sweatervest patrolling the sideline or in pure grief of the likely impending doom attempts to rationalize to himself or to his other blunt of mind Buckeye breathren reasons why what is likely to happen is unfair or unjust.
But how do you write articles like the one quoted yesterday on Eleven Warriors or go on the record for newspaper articles like the one I posted above and put your density out there in public.
You can't be too surprised by this. There are die-hard fans everywhere that are incapable of seeing fault in their own sports team/children/country.
I don't normally respond to being baited like this but...as a Chistian I believe that Jesus, arose from the grave, he transcended death. Ok, I am done.
In all seriousness, what did you expect? We've long known that a portion of that fanbase is three hairs away from being baboons. This behavior falls right in line with the rest of the data.
Please stop casting aspersions on baboons. They are not pleased.
Baboons were known to wholeheartedly resist the emergence, decline, and re-emergence of the mullet, so you're comparing apples and oranges here.
In all seriousness, what did you expect? We've long known that a portion of that fanbase is three hairs away from being baboons. This behavior falls right in line with the rest of the data.
I would expect nothing less. Haven't you seen how they defend family even after their 2nd arrest for Meth? That's the way of Ohio homies....
that Charlie Bauman ran into Woody Hayes fist.
it was all Charlie's fault. Normally Woody's fists were no where near any players throats. He had no business intercepting that pass and being near the OSU sideline, he was just asking for it.
Alright pie, I'm going to stand here simply doing this. (Bites down) And if you get eaten, it's your own fault.
Thanks for this post. I got a good laugh at your anger coming through the page. My only analysis of the situation is: People are stupid.
I hear a lot of people, that i otherwise respect, defending him. Living I Columbus you would expect this, but these are smart people.
Each person truly believes Tressel has made these decisions for his players. That he is an over protective father figure that tries to handle things internally to protect these players.
To these defenders, one being my father, I say.....
And how is he protecting these players. As a father, don't you punish you children to teach them wright from wrong. This is especially true if you have more than one child, in tressel's case a whole team. To add to the scenario, he is a repeat offender.
I don't know that people will ever stop defending him, even if he gets the boot.
is that I found Buckeyes saying Tressel had to go after the loss to Purdue two years ago. The fact that a bad loss is a much worse offense than breaking rules, and trying to cover them up tells me all we need to know about Buckeyes and sports in general.
If you look through the comments from the second article OP posted from menofthescarletandgray.com, the author of that article says this:
“My problem is I dont care that he cheated as I hope my sports teams are bending and breaking every rule they can to help them win games. I get angry every time someone mentions morals and sports in the same sentence. I dont look to my teams for my moral barometer. ”
I called him out on it, but why would anyone want their team to abandon their moral compass to win games? What happened to learning life lessons from the game and developing boys into mature, responsible men? I can tell you one thing for sure, that my dad learned more about life from Bo than Tressel could care to instill in his players.
During the NCAA tournament, he announced that his favorite basketball teams were OSU and Kentucky. I don't know how the guy sleeps at night.
One of the benefits of being clueless.
I'm not surprised in the least by their support of Tressel, however, to call this current media firestorm a "smear campaign" when Tressel has now reluctantly acknowledged that all of the allegations against him are true, is more than a little disingenuous.
Im reading lots of comments from Buckeyes...50/50 right now but I read one
where they called JT a Saint!!!! Saint Tressel!!!! the man has been a liar and cheater
and hypocrite since day one..Hes been in and out of NCAA scrapes one right after another
This time he got CAUGHT cheating and lieing the other times he just got away with it!
One cant help giggle at his book about " winning with integrity"....yeah right!
Dorothy Mantooth is a saint!
He cares about people.
He's protecting his players.
He's a guardian of mankind.
is their fans (who unfortunately are human beings as well as we are) are stupid enough to believe any shit that comes out of his filthy sewer. I hold no ill will towards their fans...loyalty is a trait rarely observed anymore...but ignorance is no excuse.
I passed on this little tidbit in a thread yesterday but it's much more appropriate here so I will repeat: The other day my father in law informed me that not only should Tressel not be punished, he should be commended because of how honorably he stuck his neck out to "protect his players". Also, the whole thing was a big fraud anyhow after how RR "got away with one".
So yeah... What can you do when met with such delusion? It's not like there's anything you can say that will make them hear logic.
tOSU fans, alumni, supporters etc dont want to have this "smear" their image because they know we as the UM faithful will use it as ammunition everytime something happens from now on.
F!@# OSU and their alumni, fans they can have their cheating ass, gay sweatervest wearing faggot of a coach...i hope he does stay on so when we beat their ass this year it will make it all that much better!!!
Edit: My hatred for tOSU has no boundaries...
Get out of here if you're going to talk that way. Seriously...
His hatred of Ohio State apparently transcends the boundaries of civil discourse.
I'm not even one who tends to care when words aren't obviously being used in the manner they originally intended (see: South Park, The F Word) but saying something behind closed doors when both people know what is getting said and plastering it all over the internet in a way that's hateful towards ~4500 page views* of this site is completely different.
*There are all types of statistical problems with this figure, but I went with 15% (a commonly reported number of LGBT/population) and 30,000 views from the Quantcast Data.
I can't even see the original comment that compelled you to drop the F-bomb. It done collapsed into the thread. Happy days, friends, truly, happy days.
Happy days indeed; my only concern is that now he'll only get -2 or -5 or something, where before it would be a -30 or -40.
I do like that it's hidden from everyone that keeps the default setting for viewing. At least that way passers by won't think MGoBlog is actually like some of the trolls try to make it.
Good lord, where did you get 15%? The 10% that gets thrown around all the time thanks to Kinsey is already a gross exaggeration
furthermore, while i'm not condoning his language in this setting, if youre going to be the PC police, you might want to refrain from language that could be construed as mysogynistic/sexist like saying the NCAA "lacks balls" in the same thread
"Lacks balls" isn't exactly a sexist term. It's conveying their emasculated state, as opposed to a potent one they're supposed to take. I would argue that it is saying that they once had that genital feature, but that particular part has been removed, leaving a biologically ineffective organ. If you took it another way, or offensively, I apologize.
BTW the 15% apparently came from a biased source, so I'll revert to Wikipedia numbers and go with 7.5ish%. So halve the number before and get 2250.
Edited to add that I've said I usually don't have a problem with words, until they're actually turned into slurs, like by saying "he's gay" followed by "he's a faggot"; it's not hard to see the correlation there.
if you want to use wiki (or these: http://gaylife.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=gaylife&cdn=people&t... ) numbers, youre going to have to halve it again, to 3.8%
so people with balls are better/more potent than those without - and thats your argument that its not sexist?
i'm not offended(by pretty much anything), but you know, glass houses (even if his stone was bigger than yours)
Wikipedia went with the IU numbers that said 7% women 8% men. It's under the latest survey on there.
And it's not a value judgment, it's saying that one is potent, and the other impotent. As in, one can take down Tressel (can have a "baby") and one cannot do the same. I'll say that maybe this isn't the best imagery, sorry to anyone offended, but to compare the two statements just isn't fair (as you've acknowledged). One was made without singling anyone out, or, IMO passing value judgments and one clearly was.
As a side note, I do agree society is way too quick to say something is offensive; stuff like the first post here is how it probably got that way.
Please excuse the use of language and my transcedence of the boundaries of "civil discourse" but let me know what you think of OSU fans and their coach or whatever when three of them (just OSUfans) jump you for simply wearing a Michigan hat and shirt in a bar watching the 2010 Iowa game of all games(which unfortunately we lost) and I had not said a word to anyone. Not to mention in a bar in South Carolina where im stationed for crying out loud. I realize this is no excuse but pardon me if since then I have had a little bit of a "hatred" for them. Also, explain to my kids why dad couldnt take them fishing because all his knuckles on his right hand were broke. Lastly I fight for the freedom for you two and everyone else on here to be able to say what they want when they want. So, when what happened to me, happens to you, let me know how you feel...and then talk to me about being civil.
So...you hate OSU, and thus they are homosxual? That's a non-sequitur if I've ever read one.
Evryone (or damn near everyone) here hates OSU: it's a Michigan blog. Other than yours, I have yet to hear homophobic slurs towards them here.
As a side note, in preparation for Marine PLC I've been taught that servicemen/women need to be held to a higher, not lower, standard of conduct. You could be the reincarnation of Patton or Lejeune, and saying things like that would still be unacceptable.
Whats funny about you're reply is not once did you mention anything about my encounter with OSU fans...must be nice to only address one thing and totally ignore the other. Thus, giving you the right to be judgemental...ok, you got me i give up I should go straight to hell for using homophobic slurs and should be discharged this second for expressing an opinion. Look to put an end to this crap for good...you're right i am wrong I should be banned and sent to hell because you're so awesome and I am not. MY BAD!!!! Hit the gavel its over.
You want me to call them bad people for resorting to violence over a dispute where it wasn't called for? Fine, those stories (as told) mean that those fans are bad people.
I just don't understand how that makes them or their coach a member of the gay community.
calm yourself for a second, me using (like you said) homosexual references as a means to insult them and actually saying they are gay...you are right...are two different things and i should have chose my words a little better. Also, I am not seeking sympathy...like i said in the same thread i hold no ill will against those guys now because as you can imagine they got what was coming to them...they are military as well and believe me it hurt their careers to say the least...all I am trying to get across to you is that dont expect me not to be a little upset about it thats all...all this crap aside man we both can agree on this (i think). What Tressel did is extremely wrong and i like some others hopes he gets the punishment he deserves...its just a little more personal to me because as it was referred to earlier his fans (possibly like the ones who jumped me) think he is a "saint" thats all man. Not here to be a protagonist man, just love UM Football and obviously hate OSU.
but I am not buying that Tressel didn't speak with someone at OSU about this stuff. I think it's clear enough now that Tressel did take this pretty seriously based on his having contacted numerous people. In a situation like this, doesn't it seem likely that you would just walk down the hall and talk to the AD or compliance dept. instead of relying on email? This may be impossible to prove, but maybe Tressel will get his conscience back and decide to tell what really happened.
I'm sure his position that nothing is ever TSIO's fault and that the world is out to get TSIO will keep him in office as long as he wants to stay there. Besides, people in Ohio see TSIO as the be-all and end-all of everything that is good and right about the entire universe. They learn it when they are kids and it is constantly reinforced throughout adulthood.
Asking the average TSIO fan to see how corrupt and dirty "his" school is is like asking a dog to meow; it isn't going to happen anytime soon.
Was when the guy from 11 Warriors yesterday, cited the academic achievements of TP - in an effort to defend Herbstreit's comments that OSU should stop recruiting Clarett/TP types.
Last 10 years, three biggest OSU Starts:
Clarett - cheater, should have been ineligible
Troy Smith - took money, doesn't seem as bad, but still got OSU probation
TP - Rental Cars, Tatgate, etc
It is all a trend, and I am glad that Herbie is willing to note it publicly.
I buy into the theory that difficult times doesn't build character in those who don't live by principles- it reveals their character. This is true for Tressel and the Buckeye fans that don't see the truth in all this. I wouldn't expect them to react any different. It's just cool the whole country can now see what I've known for a long time because I live in Ohio and have seen them in action for awhile now.
In defense of Ramzy , I think his point was that Herbstreit's statement about not recruiting players "like Clarett and Pryor" was dumb.
A lot of schools recruited Clarett and Pryor. There was nothing in either player's past to indicate trouble. Their academics were fine. They didn't have criminal records.
Herbstreit's comments are very easy to make now, but at the time, there was nothing to indicate either would be any more trouble than any other 5 star recruit.
Is it not redundant, to say that Herbstreit is dumb?
I suppose I could make the Deans list if I too had "Exploring" for my major.
So the vaunted Buckeye basketball and football team both cheat?
Where is Gordon "Little Sisters of the Poor" Gee in all of this? One of the highest paid individuals in academics, and he lets rampant cheating go on under his nose? And this subject, on his campus, draws no comment? (snicker)
Are you aware this is Tressel's second time getting caught using ineligible players? It happened on a huge scale and Youngstown State, but he "didnt know"........like he "didnt know" Maurice Clarett never went to class during his Championship season.....
Good to know there is, in fact, no reason to respect OSU......even when they win.
If he killed someone... That doesn't make him a bad person. People kill people everyday.
everyone kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me. people need a thousandth chance.
Ain't nuttin' gonna happen to dem Buckeyes cuz they is THE Ohio State University!
I love the denial. They know the downfall is coming, and they think it won't happen because they're Ohio State. Punks.
This is business as usual.
I live in Toledo and you wouldn't believe how many people are like oh well if he gets fired because we will get Urban Meyer. It is very sad
Howard Stern will be a born-again Christian long before Jim Tressel gets fired. Ohio State will put up with the punishment - even if more severe because they haven't fired him. St. Tressel of Columbus is too popular among the fans and alumni, and I have to believe that tOSU administration was gauging alumni and fan reaction to decide whether to give him the axe.
The only scenario I see that would cause JT to leave - more or less on his own - is if the punishment causes some form of long-term damage to the program (i.e. after any sanctions are lifted). In other words, it's only what happens on the field that will matter.
Again, just my opinion, but nothing I've seen suggests that his job is really in jeopardy, regardless of what talking heads say. It's only the fan base that counts, and they've got his back.
That's assuming that the NCAA lacks the balls to deliver a show-cause penalty to Tressel, which he pretty obviously deserves.
Not a terrible assumption, but final say doesn't rest with OSU.
But the NCAA also skipped the "Lack of Institutional Control" which seemed like a lock to me. Either the NCAA is still gutless, or my understanding of the system is lacking.
Yeah, I know, right? Especially when the President says, "I just hope he doesn't fire me." If anything screams "Institution probably looking the other way", it's that statement by Gordon Gee.
Institutional control mostly has to do with procedures being in place and timely self-reporting. The only real option the NCAA had for this was to go after Tressel personally, after already going after him for the 10.1.
Here's a link to the Pac's guidelines.
Thanks for the clarification. I'm still not sure I agree with that ruling, but it's good to know the thought process behind it.
Yea there's definitely a charge of "failure to create and maintain an atmosphere of compliance" that would stick aginast Tressel, but if they just want to stick it to him on one charge instead of two, than whatever. I think it all depends on what they end up doing.
They could have done it by saying Tressel "failed to create and maintain an atmosphere of compliance" but they've already charged him with a far more serious violation for the same offense.
In punishment terms, it's like not charging someone with assault after a barfight leads to a death. I'd just prosecute the murder/manslaughter charge, but what the hell do I know?
A show-cause penalty doesn't compel tOSU to fire Tressel. In effect, it only prevents a new school from hiring him. It would be harder to keep him around, I agree, if the order includes a restriction on his ability to coach in games or recruit. So, while it will make him radioactive, Buckeye fans would claim only to be basking in his divine aura.
I hadn't realized that was only against new hirings, I thought it was affecting overall employment. Either way, he would be radioactive, and I would doubt that OSU would want to be the only institution in history to employ someone with an order. They'd be better off hiring some guy on the street at that point; the baggage he'd be carrying would be incredible.
I'm glad you were able to release that rage that you had pent up!
What's up with all of our Avatars showing up embedded in a field of Scarlet and Gray?
This is UNACCEPTABLE!!!
Here you go ....
Read Brian's comments.
Draconian 'security procedures' prevent me from using anything else (I had to complain just to get IE7!!!), so I guess I'm stuck with the Colors of Evil for now...
It is said to think that our society has been so passive about the dishonesty in people.
When politicians such as Nixon or Agnew lied, they had the decency to vacate their posts. Now a days, you can lie about housing markets and the financial volatility of the economy and get appointed to even better positions without even a slap on the wrist.
The point of this is that Tressel is still seen as a man of character, even by those same people that say he should get fired( Herbstreit+Spielman of ESPN). This is what character and honor has been reduced to in our society; the acceptance that most people with honor lack morals and ethics.
In thinking what tOSU administration would do, I have to think about the brand of tOSU. In my mind, and it may seem prejudice, tOSU is all about athletics and their football program is their flagship. In my opinion, I find it difficult to think that tOSU will fire Tressel, after all in spite of his lack of ethics or morals, he will be judged by today's standards.
The counter argument would be that one shouldn't define "Morals and ethics" within the NCAA's framework for such behavior.
You can follow the NCAA rules and not be "ethical" (Saban).
You can violate NCAA rules and be ethical (Jim O'Brien at OSU).
The comment about OSU is just fanspeak. OSU is a $5 billion business. OSU football is a $100 million business. No university is "all about athletics". Don't make football out to be more important than it really is.
Is it really playing devil's advocate if you've admitted in the past that you're a Cal grad who likes both Michigan and OSU? It's fine to stick up for OSU, but don't pretend like you aren't a fan.
I just find it hilarious to believe that people actually believe that the whole point of why he didn't tell anyone was the fact that he was so called "protecting" his players. Yeah it had a little to protect his players... But he was mainly protecting his job and trying to win football games no matter what he had to do. He didn't care how much he broke and bent the rules. As long as he won games he didn't care. He cheated to win... and everyone knows...
CHEATERS NEVER WIN!!!
I hope he stays and we kick his cheatin ass this year in the Big House. That wouls probably piss tsio fans off enough to fire him anyway. I feel like we definitely have unfinished business with him after all these years. We gotta kick his ass and ruin his legacy forever.
that if he stays and we beat them this year, the entire fanbase will shift and say he shouldn't have even been coaching this year and that they all knew he should have been fired by that point anyway.
what can you expect from a stadium filled with "20,000 alumni and 80,000 truck drivers"
People also supported and defended Hitler. it doesnt take much to get a bunch of sheep to follow you.