I tried to give reason for my reasoning and if you think I am fairweather than so be it.
"It's a lot easier being a drug dealer than an AAU coach" - this guy. Tell me something I don't know. I mean, don't think but have never tried either.
I tried to give reason for my reasoning and if you think I am fairweather than so be it.
I beleive anyone who stops being a fan because the program does something they do not agree with is a fairweather fan..shoot me or "whatrevs" If everyone had you're attitude we would'nt have been filling th Big House for the past 3 years..but i'm happy to say most people are bigger fans of Michigan then they are for or against RR
Pulling the fairweather card makes you sound dumb. Being a "fan" doesn't mean you have to support every decision that is made or agree with or go along with or bite your tongue. If Michigan pulled a Bob Jones U and made interracial dating against school policy you can damn bet I'd be a different kind of fan of the school. You start to sound like the people who say "You don't like the way things are? Then leave!" as if decent is unacceptable. The point is there are circumstances to consider. To blindly acquiesce is the sort of mindset that leads to the Stanford Prison Experiment.
Maybe you should dust off your critical thinking skills.
I have found myself wondering lately whether I would ever rekindle my love for M football if RichRod were fired.
I can say without a doubt that if RR should return I shall cheer as loudly as ever.
I do so because I love the program, not just one aspect of it.
tell you to diddle yourself, friend. But please do me a favor and don't make the stupid assumption that you know about the genuineness of my feelings for ANYTHING, if you can bleeding well help it.
But I'm guessing I've loved M football since before you were born. And I'm with MGlobules.
While I, and many, share your frustrations, I believe you should always be a fan to the Maize and Blue first and the personnel second. Coaches change but the University of Michigan is the constant. And segments of every fan base are plain god awful, ours not excepted.
What about when the institution acts like ND? The whole mystique of Michigan is our striving to be the leaders and the best and giving a coach 3 yrs is bush league, even Bo said so.
If you think that it is unrealistic for a program like Michigan to be very good to excellent in 2-3 years, then you clearly have no idea of what UM brings to the table.
Alabama, UF, OSU, Auburn, Oklahoma, Nebraska...these are just a few teams who became elite within short time frame after the hiring of a new coach.
People act UM is the post-Millen Lions. They were not.
trying to compare us to Alabama, Florida and Auburn. These are schools that we should never compare ourselves to. We try to have a good sense of integrity for fucks sake.
But I understand your sentiment...fans like us are proving our mettle by showing support...need more of us in our seats on Saturday, not less..
I don't think it's a dumb thing to do. You definitely should give up the tickets. How much do you want for them?
And thanks JT....I know it sounds trivial and childish to think I wouldn't support the program, but is it worth supporting when it acts like this? I lettered three years for a DIII program and all of this DI junk with WIN NOW coaching changes and Cam Newton situations really makes me questions my love for a program like UofM. Gosh, it kills me to say that because I grew up with a Dad who would haul out the speakers on the front porch to blast the Victors every Saturday morning. It's just sports, right?
My thought is, if RR gets shown the door after this year, he will not have gotten a fair shot. And this is certainly due in part to our fanbase and local media.
You don't have to look far to see why RR has been treated the way he has. We have the great fortune to support the winningest NCAAF program in existence. Ann Arbor and U of M in particular have a reputation for being of the uppity, better-than-you mentality (for good reason, IMO). We are spoiled and impatient... for better or worse. Sometimes this works in our favor. We expect to win and hold our players and coaches to a high standard. Recruits want to play here and coaches want to coach here for these very reasons.
However, sometimes these things don't work in our favor, like right now. The pressure is a lot to deal with, and furthermore the Detroit media loves to kick us when we're down, which compounds things. It's ugly right now.
What I'm really trying to say is I'm right there with you. Lately I've been contemplating the very same things. All the bandwagon-jumping and impatience amongst our fanbase is aggravating and depressing. But the longer I've thought about it, the more I realize it comes with the territory of being a Michigan fan. Personally I hope RR gets a fair shake, but if Harbaugh or someone else gets brought in, they'll have my full support. Hope this helps.
I just feel like being stubborn and selfish myself by not supporting the program if RR is canned in the next 30 days.(again, while I support RR it could be Chip Kelly on the hot seat in this situation and I would still be frustrated)
I'm sure at the end of the day my love runs too deep to turn my back but the last 3 months has really made me question things.
Completely agree. The last 30 days has made me question whether I want to be a part of a fanbase that is so fucking stupid they are making things worse for the team. If this rumor is true (which I don't think it is) the reason is because of the fanbase. Whiney, entitled, mostly very stupid when it comes to football; this fanbase is by far the most irritating and embarrassingly uninformed of any fanbase I have ever seen. It is an embarrassment. Simple as that. I am about to be an alumni. This fanbase is an embarrassment.
Direct quote from AVery Walls: " lol the entire Michigan fan base will add u know and interrigate u from now on"
FWIW that was in response to a girl he knows saying he was supposed to be a Gamecock...
Embarrassing. Plain and simple. You can't even support your own fucking coach. You drive away recruits. Embarrassing.
I hear what you guys are saying, but is giving up on Your Team and Your School (or contemplating it on a blog) because of stupid fans any less dumb or less damaging to recruiting than complaining about the coach?
Hold the rope. Michigan will persevere.
Um the bowl game is most likely in late December, LOI day is sometime in February. Don't think Brandon is going to move up his timetable for a flighty 17 year old
doesn't make D any less flighty, don't want the inmates running the asylum or do we?
At this point, it doesn't really matter what Brandon does. If other schools smell blood in the water, that's all they need to pry these kids away. The worst-case scenario, and one that I am starting to believe might happen, is Brandon drag this out for a couple of weeks, let RR lose some recruits, play the bowl game and then fire RR after he has (or thinks he has) Harbaugh signed up. At that point, you'll see some kids leave while others come with Harbaugh, and we'll begin another 2-3 year odyssey of "just give JH time - he needs to get his guys in before we'll win." Oh happy day!
Worst case would be that except Harbaugh throws DB the bird.
Oh great, now I just threw up in my mouth. I hope you're happy!
I am currently typing this with one hand, as I am holding a paper bag to my mouth and nose with the other. That's not usually the reason I type things with one hand, but it is in this case.
Just thought you should know.
Dee Hart will be announcing that HaHa is committing to Michigan!
For some reason, I'm not panicked.
As much as I like Demetrius Hart, we have a handful of other running backs. If Fitzgerald Toussaint can stay healthy, he'll be good. We also have Hayes, potentially Rawls, and potentially Nealy in the mix.
Hart is a luxury this year. So whether he ends up at Alabama or not, this would not be the worst thing that could happen.
Losing Hart on the micro level isn't that big of a deal, but when a top recruit (potentially) leaves a program, that sends a signal to other guys on the radar that there is something off with the school, and that has a ripple effect that can't really be offset.
Great point, RB is not a position of need, its a luxury. If we miss out on all of the defensive players on the board we should begin to worry. There is a long way until signing day. Over the next month their is going to be plenty of turmoil.
NEEDZ MOAR PAAAAAANIIIIIIXXXXXXX!!!!!!!
Your post is full of logic and win. So no need to freak out? Surely you can't be serious. One rumor (so far) and look at the emo pouring out like some kind of anti-ninja turtle ooze.
positive, but geez man, Toussaint hasn't played an entire game in his career yet. Let's not lie, this one really hurts.
this one really hurts
targets. Not that they can't make decisions independant of eachother, but it helps to have a recruit on the roster to foster that pipeline.
He's the #17 ranked guy according to rivals and is up for the All-American player of the year! This dude is a game changer! This would be a massive loss...
Our offense is good. I'm not worried about that side of the ball. I'm not saying Hart isn't a very good player, but there's no offensive recruit who's a "must get" this year.
I dunno, this offense is lacking a game changer at running back. The #1 all purpose back in the nation could certainly help that.
And yet with a bad defense that couldn't get the ball back, and a first-time sophomore starting quarterback, we still had a very effective offense. And essentially everyone returns except Schilling (and Dorrestein, who's not that much better than Huyge, who returns). Vincent Smith will be stronger after his ACL recovers further, Toussaint will hopefully be healthy, Shaw will be back, etc.
Yes, he's a game changer. But it's not worth fretting about if he decommits.
Agree that I don't understand the "OMG Defcon 0 the world is ending."
Just sucks is all. Was really looking forward to seeing him in the wings.
Hopefully Rawls gets his grades up. Hayes + Rawls could be a very nice RB combo going forward.
It doesn't make sense to say "our offense is fine, we don't have to worry about that anymore", and I'm glad the coaches don't think that either. The better our offense is the less stress we put on our rebuilding defense. We certainly haven't hit our offensive plateau.
Obviously not every top high school player pans out, but Dee is exciting as hell, and we have ALL been pining for a game-changing tailback. It does make a difference.
I'm not saying we don't need to recruit for offense. I'm just saying that the offense is good enough that no single recruit is worth being whipped into a frenzy about.
Sometimes I don't agree with Magnus but on this point he is correct. Losing an elite running back is problematic but I'll take my chances with Thomas Rawls (qualify my friend) and Justice Hayes with our friend Stephen Hopkins to deliver the hammer for the next three years.
Give me some 4 star/5 star defensive back decommits (I suppose we'd need the commits first...) and then I might freak out.
I agree with this, especially on the offensive side of the ball as you are saying. Having said that, I do not like how Brandon is handling this thing. He literally could not cast more doubt on the situation. If you are going to fire RR, do it. If you want to have Harbaugh locked up, offer him the job and say it's one time deal, take it or leave it. If it is that important to him, he will leave Standford when he accepts it. Maybe the bowl game will truly determine RR's fate, I don't know but that seems awfully unfair to base things off one game when you have a three year sample size. So right now, he is saying he will look at everything. If recruiting is one thing he is looking at, he is undoubtedly hurting this class. This opinion was not brought on by this situation, I thought this right away. I just don't see how holding off helps us. In every way it looks like it hurts.
that no offensive recruit is a "must get" this year and this is no reason to panic, but I'm still not gonna sugarcoat it that I'm not upset about potentially losing a borderline 5 star RB.
I'm with you to an extent, but there were a number of instances this year when having a gamebreaking RB would have really helped. And for all the talk of him being a "luxury", UM should be able to get the top RBs in the country if they want them. Elite talent may be a luxury, but it shouldn't be that strange at top-notch schools.
Magnus = voice of reason.
Let's hope this is just what it is, a rumor.