I still like [Redacted]
Deadspin Article on ESPN: Don't Bother. [Ed-S: Moderated]
Not exactly board material there buddy
And a board post about gender commincation is? This is about sports and sportswriters.
no idea what you are talking about or referencing here.
Yeah that was just about my outer bound for tangentially OT. The difference in the end was I understood the OP was the guy who made the film (I think -- like the email addresses match but that's all the research I did). Also I didn't think anyone could get hurt. It has nothing to do with why people come to this site, except it was a late night OT post and if that thing goes viral people on the board at least can be like "oh that's a guy from the board I visit all the time" and maybe feel a little better for being a total internet geek.
As to comparing this article to that, there's a MASSIVE difference. What put the gender communication video on edge is that it's just off topic. The measure of on-topic-ness of the Deadspin article isn't in question--news about the people who cover college football is on topic enough. What got this hammered was that it was highly unethical. You don't go around ruining peoples' personal lives for your own gain, and you don't assist others in doing that.
I'd have to agree with that assessment. Yeah and maybe it's my own preferences, but I just don't even want to hear about this kind of stuff. If the people mentioned in that article do those things, that's their own business. If they don't and this is pure slander, it's even worse - as they're guilty by association. No win for me.
In full agreement.
This doesn't surprise me at all actually. Sports culture coupled with public popularity can put women in situations with people they feel they "know" or have seen because they were on television. Like Harold Reynolds "hugging" incident that got him booted from ESPN. You gotta think something else was happening to get fired at a company where the culture of womanizers is so common.
Is it just me or are people getting meaner on this board? Lot of attack comments.
Correct. I have seen some really bad topics get posted, and this one, which is also on other boards like 11w and deadspin gets bashed. It is about sports and it is relevant to sports...esp considering [Redacted] is involved...whatever
Just because it's about sports broadcasters doesn't mean that they're extra marital affairs are. There's no need for a sports TMZ here. The only reason that I would say Bobby Patrino should have been discussed is because it was the firing of a head coach. That's just my opinion though. I will agree with the board seems to be a little more dickish these days.
I'm sure the majority of people on the blog are interested in [redacted] telling people he's snipped and holding someone's arm down on the bed. Come on, man..
We only had a way to mete out punishment without posting a comment. Man, I miss me some negbanging!
No way. [redacted] is a saint!
No one comes out looking god or even looking worth reading about in this story. Deaspin looks like ghouls, the individuals involved look like fools, and the New York Post looks like a trash tabloid. And all of this damage is self-inflicted over a series of events that had nothing whatsoever to do with sports.
I agree with the removal of the post and links. Maybe Bolivia was a bit harsh, but I leave that judement to those qualified to make it.
Agree. Bolivia only lasts for the duration of this offseason, and I believe that is very light considering the potential for damage and the degree to which moderation was necessary (removing the names of the accused from everyone's posts as well as rewriting the post and the time I had to spend deliberating on the best way to handle the situation and be sure I was being just)
So point reductions are linked to how much work you have to do? What?
Hey, we're New Zealand up in here. We're kinda making it up as we go and focusing on how just the decision is, as measured by how well it serves the greater good while protecting the individual's rights. But yeah, the more work I have to do to undo something shitty someone does, the more likely I am to remove that person's ability to cause me future headaches.
just zap the whole thread? No lessons to learn here really, seems better/easier/less cluttered to delete the whole shebang.
Man. First I miss TheGhostOfYost getting banhammered in the Fournette thread, and now I didn't even get to see who posted this before he got hammered. If anyone wants to let me know who posted this, I'd appreciate it.
Thank you good sir.
no it wasn't. Look for somebody with close to -1 million points.
Magnus: ungh. Stop causing problems; it's your blog I was trying to read today before this shit distracted me.
Sorry, I thought it was an obvious joke - I'm pretty sure Wolverineinabag/RDT is already banhammered.
I think its fairly obvious from my huge neg score that it's me. I apologize, but based on the prev threads about Petrino, I thought this would be in bounds. I was wrong. For the record, I was not saying that it was true, but simply that it was what was being said. I googled the info after I read it and saw that other forum sites had posted about it as well. My apologizes. Also for the record, calling me a dick or coward or something along those lines is also not called for. You don't know me, nor my intentions and namecalling on a foum is about as mature and uncowardly as driving to Niles, Michigan and telling me this to my face.
Apolgy accepted and appreciated, and I apologize too if I came off as making personal attacks. For the record I don't think you're a dick; I think you had a lapse in moral judgment and for that I stand by the sentence. I look forward to the season when your points return and this is all behind us. Way to man up and prove it was just a mistake by a good contributor.
I am not seing how this can be moved on from when everything I post gets skulled as Flamebait or Trolling. What the hell is the point of being a part of this blog if you are harassed with this the entire time?
Quit crying and hit the showers kid. Lurk for a few days and this will all blow over. You're embarrassing yourself by complaining about imaginary internet points.
For starters, I am a no kid. Keep your assumptions on your own side. Secondly, asking a question has nothing to do with crying...I don't care about points. If I did, I would have posted more random stuff in the year plus I have been here since joining. I read this blog for years. If asking something is what you would consider an embarassement to myself, then that is your own opinion. I'm done with this place now.
Seeing how just caving the thread would have made more sense leaving the title up like in all the political threads lately, but then you went and went all martyr on us.
because your avatar kinda distracts my eyes from the numbers.
Wait, what happened to GoY?
I may be in the minority but I actually enjoy his posts quite a bit even if he is weird as hell. From reading below, it sounds like he said something very very naughty and may have gotten the boot.
Speaking of mgopoints, I start at the score of "2 Normal" automatically after every post I make. Does that mean I posted something really good in the past to have this happen? Serious question, I don't know how this works on here with that, but I do enjoy have that happen for the time-being.
That your karma was boosted to 2. (See your profile). It'll eventually run out, or you'll say something bad, and get down voted, and it'll go back to 1. Or say a lot of bad stuff and go down to zero.
In (whoever was the) OP's defense, Richard Deitsch of SI did tweet a link to the story out a couple days ago, which in my eyes gave credibility to the story (I read it when Deitsch passed it along).
Redacted version of the tweet:
Every ESPN employee reading this today. RT @Deadspin: [redacted]
Even your well endowed avatar pic couldn't save you from the banhammer geneticblue. See you when you return from Bolivia in a couple months!
Perhaps this thread should be deleted all together because the intrigue and contentiousness of it made me go to Deadspin to look up the article out of curiousity to see what the fuss was about.
too many people getting banhammered for bad decisions, and it needs to stop
He bad decisions or the ban hammering?
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Thank you for the contribution. I haden't realized the error of my ways until you posted this. I appreciate the lack of banwagon jumping and piling on top of the fallen quarterback. I hope you get a .5 in the sack column for being the 8th guy to leap on the pile.
i didnt mean it like that. just saying it seems like the board is in a downward spiral
The board is in a downward spiral for banning shit posters? Besides, TheGhostofYost is already back as TheGhostofWoody, less than 24 hours after getting the ban hammer. I'm going to assume he hasn't experienced some great personal revelation or epiphany over that period of time, and will quickly resort back to being a shit poster again.
Has anyone really been banned though? I mean GhostofYost, this OP, and people in the Beckmann thread just lost their points, and I wouldn't call that getting banned.
Edit: Nevermind, I guess Ghost did get banned
wolverine devotee too
I welcome the banhammer. It's been severely underutilized of late. Too many troll accounts have been allowed to persist and shit all over the board.
I know that this isn't exact the topic here, but have we considered an OT sidebar, Iike we have for diaries?
That way we can still have fun OT stuff without having to worry about people yelling that it is too OT? For things like-- moving to X, where you'll I live? Or hey I am going to my first game, where should I eat?
I think it's been discussed before, and it all comes down to Moderation. As of now there's only 2-3 mods on staff (justingoblue, LSAClassof2000, and occasionally Zone Left). They're all volunteers, and if we add in an OT forum, that means either more work for them, or finding new moderators for the OT stuff
But if it's an OT forum, they don't have to pay as much attention to it. Or they can let the rest of us moderate it and report back to them if there are legit issues.
I actually like a lot of the OT stuff on this site. It gives me a glimpse into stuff outside my narrow little focus on Michigan sports. Since I spend a lot of time here, I don't spend a lot of time elsewhere. The OT's let some light in under my rock.
I'd be up for that
It would be too tempting for people who are bored, drunk, high, depressed, or dumb asses to fill it up. Not that it would ever get as bad as RCMB, but being allowed to post on non-sports topics is part of the problem over there (admittedly, there are other, more serious problems as well). Over half of the new threads on RCMB are locked today. The dumbassery is especially strong there today.
Seth, I think you may have inadvertantly found the absolute best way to get everyone on this site to go to Deadspin and read the article. Why not just keep it simple and take down the thread instead?
Been down that road before (like every time Ace Williams gets an internet connection). Someone else just posts the thing. We made it two days with everyone realizing it was best to ignore it. Honestly, people who are so curious they have to go look it up are going to find out and look it up eventually. I had to go read it to know what it was I was banning but if I hadn't I would be among those who went and looked it up as well. Most people however I think are looking for some triage when someone posts a link to something, and for them usually "I highly recommend skipping this" is enough.
I move for evry poster that gets sent to Bolivia have their user name changed to [Redacted] until their time is up in Bolivia.
Wait so Seth is Anonymous Coward?
That's a default setting for a post created without an author, which was possible in the beta version.
Understood. Thanks for the clarification.
with the Forbidden Closet of Mystery?
One of the employees outed by Deadspin in their search of ESPN gossip in the aftermath of being lied to about the [redacted] affair was a Michigan alumnus who was let go after his contract expired. The Michigan alum went on to take a job at CBS Sports and was just promoted to President this week, replacing Sean McManus:
I, like many others, couldn't take the suspense and went and dug up the original on Deadspin. What MGoPostingPolicy was broken? I'm just curious so that I don't make the same mistake in the future
Hmmm so it is off limits to bash the type of male chauvinist behavior allegedly rampant at ESPN because the Company's job is to "explain sports"? Or even to link to an article exposing the same? Sorry, but that is bullshit. The attitudes and bias of the Mickey Mouse of Sports is relevant to their coverage of sports news, and more specifically the hopelessly flawed way they cover the sports world.
I fail to see how this informs us as to the bias and attitudes of ESPN reporters to such a degree that it necessitates a major intrusion into the private lives of the same. I mean, hey, I could go look up any poster on this site, find them on Facebook, and start calling their friends and employers and other associates, and then publish the dirtiest stuff I could find so we could gain a better understanding of where that poster is coming from when they inform us of their opinions on this year's offensive line. But the relevency is tiny next to the massive embarassment I'd be setting that reader up for. Deadspin didn't target ESPN to perform a public service; they did it because exposing the sex lives of famous people is titillating.
these sports guys don't just discuss sports. They dissect players lives as well. And we read all about it. So why are the guys at Espn not not allowed to have their lives looked at and dissected. I see a double standard here.
Anchor's are not athletes or coaches. Their personal lives do not affect the outcome of sports related decisions (FA signings, player committments, etc.) nor do their potential firings or misdeeds affect a program's/franchises (unlike Petrino for example) on field record. Their personal lives aren't relevant. There are plenty of other places someone can go to discuss that stuff if they wish.
that's not the point. Please tell me how an athlete cheating on his wife affected his play? But it still gets reported. JR Smith being in the clubs is frequently reported as possible reason why he shot poorly in playoffs. My point is media types go soft or hard on certain life decisions made by athletes or coaches based on their on personal experiences. I think people just don't like deadspin. I see thinks posted all the time on this board thats purpose is to expose either a coach or player especially if it's a rival. Anchors are public figures like athletes and coaches. What's good for one is good for another.
Athletes cheating on their wives are not reported very often. And even if someone reports on an athlete's life differently if he or she had an affair themselves (something I think unproven), this story is about a low-level production assistant. It simply doesn't merit anyone's time here (or anywhere).
As for some plot against Deadspin here, I don't see it, and wouldn't care if it existed.
If this had been about an intern in the ND or OSU athletic department sleeping with a higher profile member of the athletic department (not a coach) and that person was doing so by cheating on their significant other this board would be all over it.
not the same. if an intern at ND cheated on their "significant other" with someone who was not their boss, do you think the board would be all over it?
As long as you didn't get "all over it" here, I wouldn't care.
That whole Tiger Woods thing. ESPN was very understanding in that case.
of Deadspin writers? Perhaps someone should.
I don't see the big deal.
Me neither. Again I just wish I knew what the problem was so I don't fall into the same trap down the road
What struck me were the statements from ESPN employees along the lines of "that is just the culture here," etc.
Now, I am not saying that the accused in that story is guilty of anything other than an (admitted) indiscretion, all that remains to be seen. In fact, I too think that the coverage is sensationalized, but there are enough facts in that article that are presented fairly enough that the reader can draw his or her own conclusions about the merits of the underlying suit (or lack thereof?). But what Deadspin really hits is the overall meathead culture of ESPN, the same boorish culture which has been detailed in a slew of historic Deadspin posts (texting dick picks, slanted coverage of the Leach/TTech story, etc.).
ESPN has such clout in the sports world it is not only fair, but right, to scrutinize it. And what media outlet is going to question this bias, if not independent blogs?
Goddamit. I don't have my laptop for 24 hours and I miss all of this. And what happened to Ghost of Yost?
Lets just say he got a little hard up for attention last night.
lol, i see what you did
...and i sit in silence...
Really? Trolling?! Holy hell look at half the posts on here! Now this is redic
This is probably the biggest moderating overreaction I've ever seen on this site.
I found the article in question, and I was reading it just flabbergasted that such a boring article would cause such an overraction. Unless I found the wrong one, it was all old news, and from the redacteds all over the place here, I figured it couldn't be anyone less than like TomVH, and Deadspin was ruining the marriage of one of our own. Maybe I just don't follow the sport in question enough to understand.
Kinda thought something funny would lighten the mood. apparently every single non-trolling thing i write is going to be hit this way
Internet's gonna internet. I don't know if I can be any clearer that I still respect you and would appreciate you sticking around despite posting that article. Just keep carrying yourself high and ignore the negging.
You lambasted him and scolded him like a child, making a pile-on appear mod approved/sanctioned rather than just deleting the content
Seriously? I mean, I know it's the offseason and all, but WTF?
Agree with all those stating that this is an absurd moderator overreaction. The Steve Phillips story was huge news when it broke years ago, whatever Seth's opinions as to its newsworthiness may be. Deadspin, among other things, engages in media criticism, and is retroactively assessing the hype surrounding that story given the passage of time and in light of current information. They are not revealing any heretofore hidden personal information -- the news of Phillips' affair was all over the media years ago.
If you don't think it's worthy of discussion on this board, fine, shut down the thread. But to say that this is "an article of the kind that makes people with functional consciouses hate Deadspin" and "the purpose of the article is to cash in on the pain they can cause in their subjects' lives" is hysterical pearl clutching, and is obviously based more on preexisting dislike of deadspin than anything in the article itself. And to accuse a poster of a "gross lapse in moral judgment" for linking to this article is offensive. Beware the next person who makes an innocent joke about Tiger Woods' affairs, you'll be denounced as a heathen.
Take it up with Brian then. For my part I don't see the difference between a guy on TV and a guy not on TV when it comes privacy issues. Did my biases color my response? I'm sure they did. Deadspin has pulled this shit before--remember when the exposed the sex life of some woman who just works at ESPN?--and then this created a storm that helped shape how people characterize blogs.
Also I'm a human with my own biases. Certain things bother me more than others, and one of those things is when peoples' private lives are exposed and held up for public ridicule by a tabloid merchant posing as a journalist. Remember that show To Catch a Predator? I wanted to boil everyone involved with that show alive. I thought it was the most disgusting thing Western culture has ever produced. And that was targeting friggin' child rapists. This "investigation" targeted just TV personalities, and not just the one you named. I don't know if Deadspin has changed the article since or something, but the one I read was very clearly something I would expect any MGoReader to immediately say "this is an awful miscarriage of journalism," not post it on the site.
Seth, honest question - are you aware that the details of the Phillips-Hundley affair were widely-reported back in 2009 when Phillips was fired? Your reaction would make a lot more sense to me if you believed that deadspin was revealing previously private information about a sexual affair, which isn't the case here. This is more a case of examining a story that was big years ago through a different lens, focusing on the espn reaction rather than Phillips' conduct.
Moderating shouldn't be about you. It should be about the site and a consistent application of the site rules. Aside from your moral objections to the OP posting the story, I'm not immediately aware of any actual MGoRule the OP has broken. I know mods have a tough job, and I appreciate that you do it. But I think you've been pretty heavyhanded on the OP for something that's pretty inocuous, in a way that I haven't seen happen around here just about ever.
Sure, the guy melted down after the fact, but that was largely a function of everyone piling on to get in on the Bolivian fun. But ultimately, I think you're being a little unreasonable and inconsistent with what's worthy of being posted and what isn't, especially if you're going to leave the thread open and keep defending your decision while the OP gets further shamed.
Just my $.02.
Ppl just do whatever they want based upon their own viewpoints, nothing remotely resembling process or policy. If Seth thinks the Phillips family is suddenly impacted by this, that's absurd. He also missed the boat, specifically that espn consistently reports the personal facts of athletes on their station and then hides impropriety within its highest ranks.
If the big issue is privacy for individual people shouldn't we have nuked every single topic/post about Manti Te'o and his fake GF? It's not related to on the field stuff, why does it need to discussed what he does in his free time?
holds greater moral ground than publically shaming pedophiles and pointing out that if you engage in such activity you might be so shamed? THAT'S the worst thing Western culture has ever produced? That's an.....interesting...take on things.
I wouldn't have posted the thread either, and the Deadspin article was old news of the most purient kind. But the OP is hardly deserving of the treatment he got. The moderator, on the other hand, was wildly out of line and remains so. This thread is a nasty example of the in-group/out-group dynamics that plague message boards everywhere. You'd hope - futilely - that the mgoboard, which is so good in so many respects, would be above that sort of infantile nonsense.
Not that anyone cares, given how few "points" I have, but this was such an outlandish example of "moderation" (irony quotes intended) that it moved me to unlurk.
I thinkg you're getting a bit too aggressive.
The OP was apologized to and restored. If "the Deadspin article was old news of the most purient kind" then it needed to be moderated.
I think the only in- or out-group dynamic going on here is hopefully those who've been around for awhile agree I've earned my reputation for taking criticism extraordinarily well. I see what you're saying, but I think you need to turn down the volume. We lost some of our best mods precisely because of people scolding/piling on despite best intentions.