This is my sentiment as well. I'm not necessarily a huge fan of the crazy jerseys, but in the end, if the players love them I don't really mind.
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This is my sentiment as well. I'm not necessarily a huge fan of the crazy jerseys, but in the end, if the players love them I don't really mind.
I agree, don't throw the baby out with the bath water. We all know that Brandon has done some good things. But, he has done a lot of bad things too and we're right to complain about tthem. The program has gone through a lot in the last three years, we don't want to lose any more of our identity than we already have. The stuff we don't want changed is a large part of what made us all Michigan fans to begin with.
"Renovated stadium, the envy of the conference, check." The stadium renovation was approved by the regents in June 2007; DB started in January 2010. He had nothing to do with it.
"Good coaching hire who made good coaching hires, check." Wow - I didn't realize seven games in it's been confirmed Brady Hoke was a good hire. I certainly hope he is a good hire, but we won't know that for at least 3 years, probably longer.
Also, are you giving DB credit for our 2012 recruiting class? The vast majority of those players committed before the night game and last Saturday's white-out bumble bee explosion, so my guess is they are committing b/c they think Michigan, and themselves personally, will be successful under Mattison and Hoke as football players. The rest of the stuff is small potatoes.
The venom against Brandon is it seems like he would stamp "CURLY FRIES - 2 for $1" on the back of a jersey if he thought he could get away with it. He has some good ideas (Big Chill, UTL), but he's far too slick and dollar-dollar-bill for my liking.
I didn't know that DB played in the Notre Dame game to make the memorable. He set up the night game, that is all. I hated the jerseys in that game as well by the way.
- He didn't have anything to do with the renovated stadium. That was decided over four years ago to expand it.
- Envy of the conference? From what?
- Good coaching hire? Not bashing Hoke (love the dude) but it's been 7 games so far and we've all seen teams like Notre Dame drop off significantly once a coach gets his own recruits on board (Tyrone Willingham, Charlie Weis).
I doubt our recruits are coming to Michigan because our 'rebranding'. They are coming to Michigan because of the atmosphere, tradition, them fitting into the system and enivornment, and the coaching staff. If 'rebranding' Michigan means wearing shitty uniforms with stripes that look stupid, then I'm not for it. Those jerseys are a disgrace and I don't care if recruits like them or not. I'll take lesser recruits if it means we stay traditional with our uniforms. And this is coming from a 19 year old, not an old timer stuck in the mud.
When the Jester is on the field
What's next . . . Argyle Socks ?!
*sniff* Argyle socks are to be worn only on Saturday's, when the Club has its luncheon.
*sigh* or you can wear Argyle socks when tailgating, of course only if they're David's (Da-veed's) design, a Maize M on deep navy blue socks, cross-stitching on the heel, maize on the toe line, elastic at the calf.
If forced to pick one, I would choose the away jersey. I like the numbers on the front with a small M near the shoulder more than the giant M.
The minority here is the boosters, who control what happens in the end. I have no idea what the boosters want, but they are the minority and they are in control for the most part. If someone is talking like "they were fresh dawg", then I doubt they could even buy a jersey anyway.
The decision to wear the clown suits for the MSU game may not have been a "marketing and merchandizing" decision, but the decision to make our alternate uniforms LOOK like clown suits certainly was. Why do you think all of our fake throwbacks have those godawful stripes on them? Because Adidas logo is stripes, so they somehow think they must put stripes on everything they touch now.
I'd be fine with throwback uniforms, but the 3 fake throwbacks created by Adidas have all been hideously ugly.
How about giving us real throwbacks, huh? As in, actual jerseys once worn by Michigan, not the Barnum and Bailey Circus clowns???
How condescending can Brandon be towards the team and the coaches? Is he saying that the team wouldn't have been properly "fired up" to play Michigan State unless he had made them wear those uniforms? I would like to see Brandon tell Ryan Van Bergen that the reason that RVB was so pumped up was because of the uniforms. I would like to see him tell Hoke that the team needed extra motivation. That's an insult, and only a certain kind of egomaniac wouldn't even realize it was an insult.
Sorry, DB. The team was motivated because it was Michigan State, not because of the stripes on the shirts. They were motivated because Hoke had them motivated. They were fired up because the Seniors had them fired up.
If they wanted to stick it to Michigan State we should have come out in our home uniforms. Time outs be damned.
I call bullshit, transparent bullshit.
We looked like pavement crosswalks so we got walked over.
...can you buy them?
If you can't buy them, then maybe he's right. If you *can* buy them, then I call shenanigans.
And, it sure looks as though you can buy them, starting in March of '12.
Shenanigans, I tell you!
Edited: forgot to include the link.
Im going to pistol whip the next guy that says "Shenanigans"
Hey, what's the name of that restaurant you like with the all the goofy shit on the walls and the mozzarella sticks?
I'm astonished by the number of similar posts.
A jersey that wins becomes an instant classic. A jersey that loses becomes an instant "clown suit."
Winning didn't make that an instant classic. It just made it a clown suit with a better story.
Back to the topic of Brandon for a moment, I'm still waiting for the maize and blue plaid jerseys.
For the breast cancer awareness game, they will be periwinkle and pink.
As will the helmets.
I hated both of them.
I kind of liked when my school's AD was seen (usually amongst bigwigs, and not in the huddle) and seldom heard.
Maybe Brandon can break down film with Mattison and show him what he did wrong with the defense.
at halftime, talking to Hagerup who was practicing punting, in the wind. you know, since our offense was having issues and the wind was insane, it might have been nice to get some concentration.
i know its not a big deal, but during a football game, STFU, let the players play and take your f**king giant wool coat upstairs to schmooze.
usually 3 feet away from Hoke. DB has been among the first to congratulate Hoke after the wins and he talks or listens in to Denard when he was out. Not sure what to make of it. Enthusiatic hands on boss like Mark Cuban or an annoying interfering boss also like Mark Cuban.
It was contemplated on here that Da-veed was looking for a coach he could "manage" or rather control... Hence we end up with Hoke, a good coach but too new to stake out his territory.
I'm tired of DB being a boss looking over the shoulder. First the whole Rodriguez thing were he watched film with them or whatever, now constantly following Hoke around. Nobody wants to be under a magnifying glass. Stand on the far ends of the sideline or get the fuck in the box. As you can tell, I hate Dave Brandon with a passion.
want one dem maize compression shirts with dem words be on it.
you should remember one important fact: those uniforms are pieces of f**king clothing. I don't love the new uniform selections either but who cares? I'll always support Michigan football. Step away from the ledge. I'm tired of endless posts about how ugly the uniforms are.
And football is just a game, so why do you care about that?
Brandon lies to the media constantly. This is another example of it.
care what jersey's MSU wears on the road?.....
We see the two traditional uniforms on the field?
throwback for the ND game was positive. So they then take that style and put it into an away uni and people go crazy? I was not a huge all white uni fan back in the 70's (isn't that when we wore them ??? - and Bo was the coach), but if we had won the game last week ... the bitchers wouldn't be as numerous.
I actually like the jersey ... the pants, eh notsomuch.
I'm sick and fucking tired of the "players like them" crap. I'm sorry, but if the players wanted to get rid of The Victors and play Pop Evil after touchdowns, would you be OK with that? If they wanted black jerseys and black pants, would you be OK with that? If they wanted to ditch the winged helmet, would you be OK with that? (Would Dave Brandon?)
Oh no, you're being too extreeeeeeme! or so I've been told. Too bad - that's how you expose logical fallacies like this one. Admit it - if Pop Evil started playing after a score, you'd be pissed. If told the players requested it, you'd still be pissed.
I go to "extremes" like ditching the fight song and the winged helmets to illustrate this point: that if something came up that was beyond your pain threshold, no amount of "the players like it" would settle you down. So quit hiding behind "the players like it" and just come out and admit that you like it. But no - you don't want to be blamed for the gradual erosion of tradition, so you try and guilt trip those of us who hate the uniforms into accepting them. I'm sick of that shit.
I'd like to see just one person - just one - come out and say this: "These uniforms are the ugliest fucking thing I've ever seen and I hate looking at them. This program has been around for over a hundred years without ever putting something that stupid-looking on the field, and I hate that they decided to start now. There's a traditional 'Michigan look' and that is not it, and I'm pretty sure we're headed down a slippery slope where things only get worse. But this program belongs to the players and the players only, even though they've been here for at most four years of the 120+ that the program has existed, and I'm OK with whatever it takes to keep them happy. So if the players like the uniforms, I can live with them even though I hate every fiber of their existence, and furthermore, whatever traditions they hate, be it the winged helmet or the fight song, or if they want a big furry mascot, or if they want the cheerleaders to dress like strippers and the band to be kicked out of the stadium, I am OK with that too. Because the players have the only opinion that matters."
Someone come out and say that - and actually mean every word of it - and I will allow myself proven wrong.
and tomorrow tell Mike Martin (to his face, mind you) how much you hate what he has done with your program('s jerseys).
You are being too extreme. It's obvious that the jerseys for one or two games don't rank as high as our fight song or helmets to any rational person. Not everything has to be so black and white. People are absolutely allowed to change their minds if things get worse.
I don't like or dislike those away jerseys they aren't a big deal to me (how often have our away jerseys changed over the years?). I don't want to see it too often but until that actually happens I'm not going to bitch about it.
Based on not wanting to see them too often, I'm guessing if those became the official away jerseys, you'd have a problem. If it does happen too often, beyond your tolerance threshold, will you continue to be OK with it if the players are the ones behind the change?
Having the cheerleaders dressed like strippers might be a lot of fun, actually.
Hate everything else.
While I think ultimately Dave Brandon has the best interest of the program at heart, he lets his ego get in the way of his decisions too much. Sometimes it's more about Dave Brandon telling people he's right/ he knows more than just apologizing for the mistake (Pop Evil, Clown Unis, etc.) and moving on. He seems to have surrounded himself with a bunch of yes men.
To me, it feels like it's Dave Brandon's mission to make "his mark" on the program while he has the power. Frankly, I'm annoyed, but it also does seem like we have been getting more national attention than in the Carr days (maybe this is a product of the Twitter generation/ 24 hr news cycle)
Some of you dudes really need to stop being so concerned about a jersey.
At what point may we express concern?
Feel free to express concern. That's the point of a blog. Diatribes about how players don't really get tradition or how recruits enjoying jerseys is dumb seem petty and overblown in the greater scheme of things.
If Brandon is the only one pushing these jerseys and they become a constant theme of big games, then yeah, I'll be on board with the concern. Until then, I'll trust the AD.
You completely missed the point of my "diatribe" if you thought it was about how the players don't respect tradition or how recruits are stupid to like jerseys.
I suspect you do get the point, however, if the uniformzz come out of the woodwork for every big game and you start to hate it. At that point, it won't matter to you that the players get amped up. Which is the point.
I don't even like either jersey. I think the white jerseys are ugly and look like Georgia Tech took acid and stared at a Warhol piece. But it's not really my place to be upset when the UTL version only came out once, the away jersey appears to have also been a one-off, and recruits/players seem to be having a damn good time with it.
It was kind of a diatribe. Here's the cliff notes: the idea that "the players like them" is a sham, because everyone will have their breaking point as to what point the Davebrandonization of the program is too much. And at that point it won't matter whether or not the players like what's going on, there will be one more name added to the rolls of the get-off-my-lawners. Really, I wish people would admit they're the ones that are OK with it - you, for example, are OK with it because it's a one-off event, not just because the players liked them.
Besides, players will publicly like things but privately hate them. Very rare will be the instance in which one of them comes out and says "man, thing X sucks." That would be a media firestorm, discontent in the program, dissension in the ranks, the works. I bet if you took a private, no-attribution poll, there's no way any of these things would be unanimous, but they can't say it publicly.
Dave Brandon is probably the guy that needs to stop being so concerned about jerseys.
Serious question, has anyone here actually played for Michigan? If so, what do you think of DB and the changes he has made?