With top 50 Garrett Taylor's tweet stating UM is no. 1 for his signature, an announcement that he could make w/in next 2 to 3 wks, I couldn't stop but consider-despite whether he pulls for us or not- if UM has ever had this much quality depth at one time. Because it has been proven that stars do matter, I am including a list of all those with four star ratings along w/Peppers, although some will not play as such, there are 3*s that will play to the higher caliber so considering this, I don't think I would be off-base to suggest we should get 4* performance throughout. Such quality depth and individual strengths as to speed, superior size, closing speed, coverage and anticipation, etc., our coaches will able to field a back 4, at times 5,designed "theortically at least" to more-than-adequately defend any type offense we face. ^I am confining this list to those that should, barring injury,give us at minimum two years on filed contribution. I am certain I have missed a couple but when one considers the following names and none will have less than two years eligibility, it is quite impressive. As you are aware, I am unable to do paragraphs or breaks of any nature on this site, I will; therefore, merely give you the list of names in a sentence like format: ^The 13 rated at least 4*(impressive total) w/two or more years eligibility are: Peppers, Lewis, Countess, Wilson, Avery, J.Clark, D. Thomas, R. Douglass, Hill, Crawford, Kinnel and Taylor. As stated above, running out of our traditional 43, this provides a depth chart of 3 deep, all rated at 4* or above. I cannot recall a time in recent memory, although I am sure Bo may have been able to field like backfields with the extra 30 players alloted. Quite impressive, indeed.
DB could be set for years
I will admit I instantly thought, DB (Dave Brandon) was getting a raise when I clicked on this.
I honestly can not remember the last time there was this much depth in the secondary in terms of potential. Can not wait until the potential turns into on field success. Just have to be patient.
Where are the thread police? I don't typing out a whole bunch of letters like *defensive back* is that hard for a title, is it? See there, I just did it.
Oh sure, but you skipped over a word like "think" or "believe" in your post. Maybe it really isn't that easy to type out a full post. We're all, like, pretty busy, man.
And, I like it!
I didn't realize till this post that it was about DB was talking about defensive backs. I thought OP was saying cause our recruits are good Dave Brandon won't be out of a job for a few years.
I can see why you would have thought it was about Brandon. Somehow, I feel he is going to be taken care of nicely as well.
I thought Dave Brandon got a contract extension.
thought the same.
Defensive Back. Not Dave Brandon.
Although I don't ever recall "DB" being a good abbreviation for "defensive backfield."
Of course it's the Twitter generation that insists on widesread use of initials for personal references. I'd have never thought of referring to Brandon, Hoke, or mostly anybody else by their initials, unless they were a President or a Kennedy. That is, not until texting and Twitter.
There was going to be a link to an old Domino's bonus.
I thought he won a lawsuit.
Not sure where you got your info but Avery is gone and Clark was a 3 star. Also you said 13 4* but only listed 12 players. I don't dispute the fact that we have great depth though.
edit: and Douglas has been moved to RB, at least for the time being.
There is reason to believe that some of the struggles we saw last year were growing pains more than signs of a lack of ability. And you almost have to think four good starters can be found if the players in the group you list are all healthy and on campus at the same time...I feel you on not being able to make paragraphs. Can't do it with the devive I'm posting with at the moment either.
Avery and Douglass should not be on your list. Also, I'm not sure why Clark makes the list, but not Stribs who actually flashed impact ability. I also personally am excited about Watson. Is there a reason Dawson was left off?
I thought this was about getting a massive raise or big extention. I was ready to come in here like
You've been a member for 7 freakin' years; you should know how to properly title a post by this point.
but just give them sumpin to talk about. If you are really worried more about presentation than content, nuddin I can do to help you bro. Sorry about your problem.
When a moderate amount of your content is wrong and the format hurts the eyes... not a whole lot of value.
Jourdan Lewis was a 4 star also.
pretty sure if you check the teams of 90s and early 00s they were stacked with talent. sure theres some young talented kids at DB but most have not played at all yet. honestly given the total number of "4 stars" in given year across all positions then everyone should expect um to have a roster comprised of "4 stars" when broken down over 4-5 years/classes....all great teams have this depth across the board as um used to have yrs ago and currently building....but the tipping point will always be getting those truly elite recruits and different makers (like top 5 or so at their position), the depth helps and is necessity but tough to win rings without game changers (peppers is a good start). **unfortunately the best DBs in the world and loaded back 7s mean very little if your DL cannot dominate 1v1 matchups and scare QBs / OCs. um really needs to recruit or pray they somehow develop consistently talented 2 deeps on DL....ie this year and next year should be the years guys like wormley, ojemudia, stroebel, godin, etc show up and begin terrorizing QBs....tough to field upper tier DL when large classes of 5-7 experienced kids cannot consistently win 1v1 matchups and impact games. hopefully those dudes are monsters this year, along with younger kids, but its yet to be proven - similar to fairly highly rated DBs
Agree. You win the game in the trenches. Obviously, you need to be solid all over but you look at your teams that are competing for national titles and most have above average to dominant dlines.
It's pretty bad that our last truely elite DBs were Marlin Jackson, Ernest Shazor, and Leon Hall. Hall graduated in 07...
His measurables and scouting report lead me to believe that he could play either safety spot.
Offer sheet is cray
we'll have plenty of subs.
This kid is going to give Dave Brandon an extension?
There is some footage of him playing vs. Wilton Speight in his highlights.
Shari Acho again made a huge impact on him with the academic presentation. Also said Michigan was the most prepared when it came to the academic part of the visit.
ITT: everyone thinking they're the first to make the same Dave Brandon joke.
May want to throw a period in there every now and then. Holy run-on sentences Batman.
Run on sentences were first introduced for the reading impaired. Not really much I can do to help you if you didn't read that and realize we're loaded in the defensive backfiled. Sorry about your early education bro.
You can't really help anyone in this thread can you?
Insulting people isn't the way to do so. He didn't insult you. He simply suggested an easy way to impove your writing.
Frankly, I think that's a lost cause. Your inability to create paragrasphs is the least of the issues with your OP. Did you read it? I found myself just skipping through it, because it was so poorly written. I do have to ask how you made the list of players. You included a 3* player whose eligibility expired, a senior, another player that no one had as a four star, etc. Such sloppy work compounded with your writing is guaranteed to generate criticism. If you can't take it, make better posts.
"Sorry about your early education bro."
Wait... I'm confused. He was commenting on your poor use of grammar and punctuation, but you're sorry about his early education?
Id say the year ty law overlapping with woodson, was our best. Law was the best pure cornder I ever saw.
Never forget. You know what I'm talking about.
Is that what I'm supposed to remember?
We were loaded every year.
AMDBHG is watching and I hope he is not like Barney Stinson...........challenge accepted!
I liked that Lewis and Stribbling got so much PT last year, even if they and the rest of the secondary struggled at times. Raymon Taylor had some growing pains when Countess went down but has since turned into a pretty good corner. Without that real playing time, guys like Stribbling and Lewis may be practice all-stars but they won't have game film for the coaches to break down with them and use to fix their technique.
Safety may still be light on numbers but there always seems to be guys moving over there from CB.
Drink second. Just a little friendly advice.
Hoke's been able to bring in some really highly ranked recruits in alot of positions. Still need that breakout guy on the D line.
Stars and talent is negated when they give 12 yard cushions.
At first I was wondering what this post could possibly have to do with Dave Brandon.....
It's great that they're all getting playing time. Hoke is bringing in quality talent. Hopefully he can really develop it.
Wait, did Taylor say that UM is #1 for him or just in his top group?
He listed a top 5 with Michigan listed first and Stanford listed second. Multiple insiders have suggested that the list is in order, but I don't think Taylor has explicitly said so.
Thanks. That sounds like good news.
I wouldn't say stars matter. Coaching development matters. Who was the better running back? Mike Hart or Kevin Grady? Who is the better defensive back ? Terry Richardson or Darqueeze Denard?
Yes, jobu. The existence of exceptions rules out the possibility of trends.
I think this post is a year early. I thought Taylor basically is a Stanford/UM 50/50. But aside from that yes "stars matter" but production also matters.
Blake is a good (not great) player. Taylor is solid but not knock your socks off. Wilson I thought looked good but the coaches benched him late in the year at times in games which had me scratching my head (not due to injury) and then we have a bunch of unproven "stars". I think the cart is ahead of the horse here. If this was Beilein's staff I'd have another take but everything in football I am taking with massive grains of salt and I don't know how anyone else cannot.
My views are as follows - Stribling was the guy who excited me the most last year with his "flashes" on the field. But he was a lowly 3 star so based on this type of analysis he is one of the guys to get least excited about. He was in position for a lot of plays but did not make the play - that is ok, he is a damn freshman. Being in positions is 70% of the battle for a CB - a lot of other guys the last half decade have been nowhere near the right place at the right time. He has the size and I remember last year in practice they said he was the guy making the plays. So if he can develop into a press corner I'd be thrilled as we haven't had one in a while. So let's see if he makes a nice freshman to sophomore leap this year - if he does, it's something to be very excited about the following 2 years.
Dymonte Thomas is an unknown quantity- just a recruiting star at this point. Unlike Stribling I saw almost nothing from him last year other than a blocked punt. And that's not going to help in as a safety. He has everything on paper but so have many players who have walked through many college programs. So a year from now we'll know what we have.
Peppers is Peppers; my hope is worst case scenario is a step behind Ty Law level. Medium case he is Ty Law. Best case, well is basically what everyone here hopes he is. But he has size and if matched with Stribling in 12 months would give us 2 potential press corners with size. When did we have that last?
Lewis looked solid for a young player but smaller - right now he seems like a Raymon Taylor path, maybe with a bit more upside.
I have no idea where Jeremy Clark is - never see him on the field, he is just a prospect. He could be a career backup or a stud for all we know.
Kinnel sounds like he is headed to UM but with our decommits and a rough schedule in 2014 I am not counting on anyone until they sign. Yes stars matter but seeing them do something on a football field matter a whole lot more. I would have hoped the last 7 years has by now stained that into people's heads.
head was stained with this. (upvote for you)
You'd like heavier fast guys on the corners to be able to stick receivers and get a shoulder in on run support too.
The availability of small fast guys seems pretty good, but they get eaten up in run support.
Add in tall WRs as we seem to be focused on (Funchess, Mo Ways) and there's another mismatch opportunity.
I would agree with "flashes of brilliance" comment, I hope we can shore up the points in between.
Wish we could have added Montae Nicholson to the list of names, I just have a strange feeling he will be a really good player.
....And if Dave Brandon gets a golden parachute...I will be outraged....8-)
It's how it's worded...
If it said S or CB, it would be just as confusing.
Even if it said Michigan's DBs could be set for years...it would read better.