Hey man, hang in there...I don't blame you. I was SICK after Wisky and I don't even know what after MSU. I hope this team finds its legs and comes back stronger than ever.
Days Later: State of Michigan Basketball...Thoughts?
I think we are still going make a big run in the tournament. Our team fails to play their usual game at hostile environments. Indiana, Ohio (first half), east Lansing.
We have won on neutral sites and I really believe we're at least an elite eight team.
We didn't do very well against Pitt or Kansas State in a neutral site.I could see us being an early upset.
Those are top 15 teams, and we won...
Didn't we beat KSU by like 15?
Yep, and we were up 20 at points in the second half. We did struggle with Pitt, but Pitt seems to be a team that other teams struggle with
...and the tournament is the least hostile environment you can get. Corperate crowd and alumni.
We're a young team who had never faced a gauntet of games like the ones they just faced. This team is gonna be scary good once they learn to play on the road. The one thing this team needs to figure out before we go to tournament time, is what exactly are they gonna do at the 4? GR111 can't keep playing like he has been if we want to win. I think we keep giving more minutes to Mad Max. He may not be that flashy but he seems like he has a good basketball IQ and won't make too many stupid decisions.
Robinson is my favorite player when he is on. He looks like a man among boys...but he has done zero last 4 games. Pull him!!! Ride the pine GR3 till you can get your head on straight......
Guess he is not ready for the big stage?
We need better D, inside force and better rebounding...we have that and we are national champs in my book.
I think he's tired.
He's clearly hit a freshman wall. I don't think he was prepared (and no freshman could be) for the B1G season.
You're saying pull him...that's going too far. But we should cut back his minutes and play 2 bigs WAAAAY more than we do. Even if you take 6-7 minutes away from GRIII to play Horford and McGary together it's better than playing GRIII as much as we do. It would make a huge impact. Even if the guys foul. Hell put Max B or McLimas in...somebody. You can't have GRIII running around exhausted all game.
I'd honestly sit him in practice until the PSU game, he'd get limited minutes there and hopefully he could get his legs back for the home stretch.
So you think sitting him against our easiest opponent for weeks is a good idea when his confidence appears to be shot? Penn State is the opportunity to get him going again. Belein should try to limit his minutes to around 30, but Burke's main directive against PSU should be to get GRIII involved in the offense. He's the key to this team as he's essential for spacing the floor in the ways Belein wants to do, has no legitimate backup and can get easy points when he's playing with confidence.
You can sit him all week, play him limited minutes vs. PSU and you still have Illinois and PSU again to "get him going."
Your post suggests that I said he only needs to play vs. MSU and IU for the remainder of the regular season. That's not true.
And yes, I'd pull his minutes back vs. the bad teams. You don't need him to win. No reason in wearing him out.
I don't think he's worn out so much as lacking in confidence and questioning his game. I'd worry that suddenly decreasing his minutes, even if you explain why you're doing it, risks damaging that even more. I see the home game against a bad team in PSU (and after their past week, I think Illinois is out of that category) as an opportunity to rebuild his confidence. I don't think we should be particularly worried about physical fatigue, given that we have only two games in the next two weeks, both of them at home. I do think there is some mental fatigue there from questioning his game and role on the team, but that's something that can only be addressed through success on the court.
I wasn't trying to imply that you thought he should only play against MSU and IU. Sorry if it came across that way.
...and then he had a couple big games during this slump that he's really been in for around 9-10 games now.
You don't lose confidence for that long. Especially when you've shown that you're a heady kid and you have an NBA player for a father.
Also, he really isn't a main "go-to" player on the team, so there's no real reason for him to shy away. He's not under the light. Maybe Stauskas was, McGary would be next (of the freshman), then GRIII.
GRIII to me has just hit a wall. We don't trust anyone else to play PF for extended minutes and he gets locked in there and forgotten about. We're so concerned about a big fouling out sometimes that it makes me sick. Play them together, let GRIII get McGary like minutes. In spurts. Give him time to come to the bench and gather himself (rest and mentally/confidence as you say).
Leaving him out there isn't doing ANY good. Right now if he's playing 33 minutes per game. I'm just saying cut that to 25-26 until MSU, rest him a little more in practice and let's see what happens. He's not going to forget how to play basketball and he's not going to miss a chance to gain confidence but losing 6-7 minutes/per game for 3 games.
Still shocked and sick to my stomach!!! I can't get over the lack of heart they had. Little brother spanked our rears and sent us packin....we didn't even put up a fight. I just can't get over this. We went 1-4 last few games vs talent! We aren't there yet fans!
If our basketball team makes you sick to your stomach, you should probably do the world a favor and go root for somebody else. Asshole
Fans like you give mich a bad name!!! Your telling me that loss didn't hurt? Your in denial Asshole!!!! Guess I have more passion and fire for my team then u. Give me a positive from that game...try it without the language and maternity this time. Remember we are on the same side...unless your a buckeye
I don't mind being passionate about U fo M sports, you're allowed to do that. BUT when you say that " thinking about this team makes me sick to my stomach," you sound like a tool. REMEMBER how young these guys are. The only upperclassman to get minutes is Tim Hardaway Jr.
I want to win as bad as the next guy, but I'm not gonna sit here and type moronic things when teh wins don't come.
Also your and you're are different.
This column and blog is about the loss, not the team. There is where your confused!!! I love the team, loss makes me sick. You don't go down 20 and 30 points to your rivals in msu and Ohio.
We are mich!!! So you are unclear on my statement
Maybe it was the lack of coherent thoughts, grammar, and punctation? Just throwing it out there.
I don't see a lack of punctuation!!!!!!!!!!
OK. He gets a B in punctuation. F- in everything else.
EDIT: I now see what you did there. I'm a little slow sometimes! (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Because you're forever going to be negged in this thread for your first comment.
Maybe you'll learn...12 posts in, you shouldn't make an ass of yourself.
Here's what's going to happen...you're going to keep posting. People are going to keep negging. You're going to get mad. They'll continue to neg. You'll post "GO BLUE"...they'll even neg that. You'll make one last post motherf-ing everyone on this site...then you'll go back to GoBlueWolverine or MLive and complain to the rest of the board.
P.S. - that last post...it'll get negged too.
This is why we are the best sports blog message board on the internet. Tip o' the hat to you for your wave o' the finger.
The claims that you love the team and that they have no heart are mutually exclusive. Choose one.
I love the Tin Man. He was always my favorite.
Please learn the difference between "you're" and "your."
And while YOU'RE at it, learn the difference between "than" and "then."
Fans like HIM give Michigan a bad name? First of all we don't have a "bad name" any place I know of other than being known as supremely cocky and arrogant.
If word gets out that some of our fans make statements that imply that 18-21 year old students make random internet toolbags sick to their stomach we could get a bad name though.
Obviously Bo4president, you're too emotional to talk about this... I too am quite pissed of the percieved softness vs our state rival... best to keep it internally.
Thank you, sorry my message was delivered wrong. Very upset we didn't go punch for punch we these guys...I could sleep at night with a close fought battle on the road. But a woopin is hard to handle
It wasnt delivered wrong, to those who can see past the emotion of it. Heck, while watching that game, I wanted to pull out my teeth after the first ten minutes, because I knew exactly what was happening, as I predicted it would happen like that, too. Why they have to play so well at Crisler and then so pisspoor on the road, truly is fixable, and is a matter of mental toughness, and very very disappointing.
Oh, and another thing... its ironic you have the name Bo4President, because its a hard-ass like Bo that we at Michigan have missed, and DESPERATELY need again.. .We need that edge, because believe it or not Bo helped the entire athletic program have an edge, even if it is only subconscious.
massaging his balls, his post was a wreck.
If you didn't notice Michigan State made like every 3 pointer they took on Tuesday night. Toughness is not like "the glow" from The Last Dragon. Bo as athletic director would not have stopped Denzel Valentine from going nothing but net on absolute prayers from 22 feet when he hasn't made a shot all season. State's whole team careered on Tuesday night. Michigan will hand it back to them in two weeks.
+10000 cocktails to you
In this case, I wanted to.
But I didn't know if I should put "flamebait," "trolling," "insightful," or "funny."
That's -1, -1, +1, +1...so I just left it untouched.
Edit: Welp, I guess he got his wish. Banned. Post is gone.
which post are you referring to? mine?
A bunch of whining jerkoffs who can't have a productive conversation.
To the board, I apologize. To the posters actually posting meaningful thoughts/info...thank you.
If your response is to me? I can be productive. I wear my heart on my sleeve about Michigan sports.
In my opinion, we have one hell of a team. Age obviously shows in the big games. Still not over MSU performance. By going 1-4 thru the gauntlet of games tells me we have a few pieces missing and on e we have them we are title contenders...that was my original statement as well. Sorry that the individual who cussed misunderstood my message
Your age is obviously showing...Craig.
Passion corresponds with age now? I will show you my age and maternity by not responding to this blog moving forward. What's this world come to when fans on the same side bash each other
I know you're probably on the Iphone but showing us your maternity would be quite funny...
you're already my favorite poster ( seriously ). I don't know what you could do to make it better.
We just MGoSteady??? I truly do love you.
EDIT: Now that they deleted MGoUser FuckAndrewJacksonJihad Nothing makes any sense anymore
It's like light without dark, up without down. Without him here, how can you know who you are?
Yes I'm confident but JB needs to use these next few games to get the defense in order and pick the freshman up a bit. Getting Morgan back healthy will be a big boost. I think the team just needs to get a little confidence back.
They got their butts kicked in one game. Get over it already. It happens. We have a young team with growing pains. Before the season started, I would have been happy with where we are now. Better to learn some pain now and be better equipped for March.
I agree with u man to an extent? But when you play msu and Ohio you don't go down 20 and 30 points to your arch rivals?
Ohio came to mich and went toe to toe, we were never up by 20. That's my point is all.
...that we showed "plenty of heart" in Columbus when we almost came back from a 20+ point deficit. OSU obviously showed no heart in the 2nd half of that game. IU, too, for letting us crawl back in the game at Bloomington.
I agree they showed tons of heart in Ohio!! That was probably my proudest moment this season, extremely difficult to do.
I'll admit, I've been put off by everything "sports related" since that MSU debacle. I haven't even watched SportsCenter. Wasn't mad, wasn't upset, just put off.
With that, it's time to move on from what was the toughest gauntlet in schedule history.
Before we do...my main thought after these last few games. Win or lose. "Fuck you B1G schedule makers...f-u-c-k YOU." That was completely unnecessary, likely unfair, and unrealistic to think any team could've gone through a stretch we went through and come out alive. We can win an National Championship and it'll be easier than what we just did. Not just the opponents, but playing on the road, the 9pm games, the lack of time between games to prepare. We were just dead by the time we got to East Lansing...I guarantee we haven't been practicing or practicing heavy since, we're tired.
Now, moving forward...THANK YOU B1G schedule makers!! I'm not going to go as far as to say we need to start McLimas, Max B, Vogrich, LeVert and Albrecht...but those guys should see increased minutes vs. PSU in 2 of the upcoming 3 games.
In the end, IF we can get our legs back. I think we're going to be even better down the stretch. IF this happens. I don't see us losing another regular season game. It's going to be difficult, but somehow we have to recharge and reset. Do that, and we're fine. This is still a GREAT, not good team. Win out and they're elite.
Lastly, maybe some of the Jordan Morgan haters can shut up now. He's always been an anchor on this team and he's sorely missed. His leadership, defensive ability and rebounding is exactly what we've needed over this stretch.
5 Things I'd like to see...
- Play the bench extensive minutes vs. PSU (both times) - also, try and get up on Illinois and get the bench some minutes there so we can rest the main rotation.
- Play 2 "bigs" more often...our rebounding has been horrible as of late.
- Don't be so quick to pull players when they foul.
- Switch to zone more often. Even if it's just for a couple possessions.
- A formal letter to Jim Delany with a copy of Coach B's middle finger scanned over our schedule.
This post is exactly how I feel. I agree that the guys are tired and have hit a wall (save Trey). How could you not with the gauntlet we just went through?
That said, I'd be in favor of reducing minutes a little bit but I'm not sure that's really necessary. We have until Sunday (5 days rest) until Penn State at home, then an entire until our next game vs Illinois followed by the away game vs Penn State the following Wednesday.
Regardless of how many minutes each guy plays in those games there is plenty of time to get their legs back. We only see the games so we forget about the fact that these guys practice nearly every day. I trust that Beilein will have them as close to 100% for the MSU game.
When I fill out my brackets I'll still pick us to win it all. Yes, I'm a homer, but whatever.
21-4 is better than any Ellerbe or Amaker year to this point. I'll take it.
I think now that my expectations are lowered for this team, for some reason or another I am more excited about them. Let's face it, people were hyping us up to high heaven and it's simply the case that we are not an elite team. The way I see it is: we have the tools to be a dark horse contender and make a deep run in the tourney. If it it doesn't happen, no biggie. I'm just excited to see how this enigma of a team develops and rounds out the season. In other words, life is too short to have expectations in sports.
We ARE an elite team, that is sorely lacking some mental toughness right now... If it surfaces, then we can really roll and win it all. The Fab Five had the same issue but were far more talented to hide it.
We're a very good team. Elite? Dunno about that, man. We have too many weaknesses that extend beyond just mental toughness to be considered an elite team. Michigan has an extremely skilled bunch of players but they lack the size and athleticism of the usuals such as Florida, Duke , MSU, Kansas. We lack an inside game both defensively and offensively and our perimiter defending is just unpleasant (to say the least). Again, they are good enough to surpise fans and make a deep run in the tourney but we are also one of those teams that could easily be upset in the early rounds. It all comes down to momentum and matchups.
This team isn't physical, the defense is average at best, and the offense is usually pretty good but blows hot and cold. We look more like a typical 3-4 seed than a championship contender.
In all seriousness, all of this is fine considering that freshmen have played more than half the minutes. The program is in excellent shape. But we should not kid ourselves that this is an elite team.
5 years ago: 10-22; worst season in program history.
5 years later: Currently 21-4, ranked in the top-5 and haven't lost at home. Good shot at a 1 seed and a conference title STILL.
We all knew this 4-game stretch was going to be hell... Expected to win at Wisconsin and didn't expect to get blown at Breslin...
We have a great opportunity to learn from these tough losses and put a nice run together. Beating Sparty and the Hoosiers at home will show me what this team is made of. If we can finish strong, I still have the expectation this team will make the Final Four. A huge accomplishment considering where we've come from.
There are a lot of very good basketball teams right now, including Miami, Indiana, Florida, Michigan State and Gonzaga. Michigan is still included in that group even with the tough road trip behind us.
We have a basketball team?? jk were gonna be fine Beilein knows what hes doing n i think he'll have the team rested and ready to go against Penn St. I think Michigan sweeps the last 6 games and gets a share of the Big ten title with MSU and Indiana
so as a result, am now not so low. They were playing out of their minds, and while it was awesome (and somewhat cathartic) to watch, regression to the mean was inevitable. Still a sweet sixteen team, with a shot to make it to the Final Four. No other team is 10 feet tall and bulletproof, so in the words of Alfred E. Newman, "What, me worry?"
at the start of the season. Its clear that have a lot of offensive talent, but they are very young and lacking defensive toughness. They pretty much have to win out to have a shot at a split B1G championship which will be very tough to do. That Wiscy game was a real dagger to those hopes.
The good news is that there is still a lot of basketball left to make incrimental improvements in their deficiencies. That coupled with the fact that the NCAA tourney is played at nuetral sites with more stringent officiating keeps me optomistic this team has a good shot to reach the Elite Eight.
If they can't bounce back I don't think this team is much better than last year's team. Way higher ceiling than 2011-2012 obviously but lacking in the way of leadership and experience. On a side note though, I don't see why so many people believe that the team didn't suffer somewhat from a lack of effort Tuesday night. Remember how much talent we've been saying this team has - do you really think that whenever THJ has a bad shooting day and we play in a hostile environment we should lose by 30? The team threw in the towel against an arch-rival, which I just don't think bodes very well down the stretch. Now, the lack of effort may be tied to to inexperience and I can understand why they would have been compelled to mail it in, but I just have a hard time believing that this team could ever lose by 30 giving 100% effort, no matter where the game is played...
GR3 is the key. When he is playing at a high level it opens up so much for this team. Takes the opposing teams 4 man away from the interior which opens up driving/cutting lanes.
While the MSU game was beyond horrible there is still hope for a deep run if we can get GR3 and Stauskas going. I think people are forgetting how ridiculously good this team has been for 95% of the season.
I may be a crazy homer but if we can get back to playing as well as we were merely 2-3 weeks ago then we can make a deep run in the tourney. Hell, anyone in the Top 15 or so could make a deep run this year.
Novak is really missed this year.
Not sure Novak would have helped much. Just seemed like one of those games tbh. Extremely young team on the road with short rest after a crushing loss.
MSU played out of their minds, shot the lights out, threw in some garbage shots while we couldn't hit anything. We turned it over a ton, they didn't (We need to stop having our bigs catch the ball at the top of the three point arc trying to make thread the needle cross court passes. Seemed like we had about 10 turnovers doing that) We clearly didn't match their intensity. There was a play early on where Hardaway had a chance to foul I think Valentine on breakaway and he just moved out of the way to let them get a uncontested layup. Right after that they clobber Morgan when he had an open look at the rim. I pretty much knew it was gonna be a rough game then.
But we are out of the brutal schedual stretch now and have a good chance to finish strong.
Getting hot and going on a run late is most important.
Still pretty bummed to be honest. That performance has really shaken my confidence in this team; they showed no heart or competitive streak. Hopefully they can pull it together, because we all know the talent is there to make a serious run, but talent is only half the battle.
I feel pretty good about them basically being at home for over 2 weeks. I'd be pretty shocked and disappointed if they laid another egg in the regular season.
The B10 and NCAA tournaments are going to be a free for all, I'm not going to act like I know what the hell is going to happen with any team let alone U-M.
Not making it to the Semi's in the B10 and the Sweet 16 would be very depressing. Anything after that is a sucess IMO.
Penn St. Find a way to get Robinson more involved.
From the standpoint of overall record, I'll take 21-4 with six games remaining and for of those being at home. It still believe it is entirely feasible to finish strong here with a relatively relaxing stretch against Penn State and Ilinois coming up. Included in that as well are some stretches of down time where they reall can study film and work to shore up the defensive play as well as build the team up again after a grueling part of the schedule.
We did go 1-3 in those four games, but against teams with efficient defenses that were able to take us out of our offense, and as others have said, this is a young team being asked to play in difficult environments for the first time really - with experience and continued work, these things will definitely moderate. The next few games will hopefully give this team some time to take what they've learned and apply it in preparation for things to come. There's definitely room and time to improve.
I am still optimistic about this team and its potential going forward and I am still pretty confident that we could potentially make a nice run once the middle of March comes around. Further, at least statistically at this point, at least a share of the conference title is not at all out of the question. Much can happen to any team as everyone plays out the last three weeks or so of the season.
still had us in his top four this morning on Mike & Mike: Indiana, Michigan, Miami and Florida, as I recall. We'll be fine. That one game was a disaster and against the one team none of want to have thump us, but it was one game. What is it that they say? Something like don't let one game give you more than one loss?
1 loss...counts as 1 loss...hurts a lot more but at the end of the season it will count in the standings the same as outplaying Wisky but dying by halfcourt & will be regarded similarly to Duke vs. Miami and TCU/Kansas.
This next game won't tell us much as PSU stinks. Hopefully though GRIII can snap out of it and get into a groove becuase for U-M to accomplish anything at this point they need some production out of the 4 spot.
Lake effect after the blizzard: I think Michigan is still a top ten team. They're in a slump right now but have a chance to pull it together once Morgan comes back. As long as they can make it to the tourney as a 2 seed, I will still be confident with a run at least to the elite 8. If they lose a to MSU and Indiana again in the regular season and bow out early in the Big Ten tourney, then they will be lucky to see the sweet 16. Getting wins against quality opponents to end the regular season is pivotal since I truly believe that winning the Big Ten tourney could be more challenging than a run to the final 4.
on the away court influence. Yes, it is harder for all teams to win on the road, but MSU would have beaten us on a neutral court or at Crisler the way they played us Tuesday. And they will be hard to beat at our place if they play as well as they did at East Lansing.
I think we have 3 major issues:
1. Youth. Speaks for itself. We started 3 Freshmen against MSU and regularly play 4 in our top 7 rotation (and none of them are 5 star, one-and-done type players). Only time and experience will solve the youth problem.
2. Physical teams playing a pressure defense. MSU, OSU and to some degree, Wisconsin play a get in your face, put a body on you and push you out past the 3 point line. UM has struggled passing the ball, let alone getting good shot opportunities when teams do this to us. Illinois, Minnesota and IU will run with us and try to beat us that way, and that gives us a chance. The rest of the Big Ten doesn't have the talent to hang with us no matter how they play us, but teams like MSU will be a problem until we figure out how to run our offense against them.
3. Defense. We play okay, but not great defense. We aren't going to beat teams with defense the way we have been playing it. We are slow to rotate when the ball is reversed, which gives shooters wide open, take you time 3 point attempts. Our post defense is not the greatest either.
We are having a great season, but are not in a good position to win the big ten. I think we will finish 13-5 or 12-6 and that likely won't be good enough to win it.
I think we could still make a good tournament run depending on the type of teams we face. GO BLUE.
I agree that MSU would've stomped us on a neutral court on Tuesday. But there are distinct home court advantages in the B1G that can't be overlooked. Just look at Wisconsin's record at the Kohl Center. They have something like a .91 winning percentage at that place. A lot of elite teams have crumbled in Madison since the Kohl Center opened.
MSU would not have played that well on a neutral court
I feel extremely fortunate that I get to watch this team while I am still in school. They are young, and at times they have played like it, but this team has been so much better than I could have predicted when the year started.
This team may not be the best team in the country, but I am still proud that I consider them to be my team. I'm looking forward to a run in March.
This team, this team, this team.
Sorry, couldn't help myself.
I'm not surprised they got killed by MSU. MSU was gonna be hyped and 2nd road trip in 4 days, 4 tough games in 11 days w/ 3 roadtrips, coming off a really tough loss etc. They looked tired even before MSU. My biggest gripe this season is that GR3 and Stauskas have been playing too many minutes. I know they are the best options but the minutes are too high IMO for freshman. Not enough off-ball movement and sloppy defense but I think those are caused by guys with tired legs. With only two games in two weeks and both at home between MSU and @PSU we should get some rest and energy back. Bad teams and rest will make this team look a whole lot better.
Beilein needs to say something about the rough play before the MSU game. He probably won't as he is too classy but if ever there is a time to bring focus to that it is before we play them at home.
The defense is a big concern. We are now last in the conference is 2Point % D and 10th in eFG%. Either that is indicative of missing Morgan more than we thought we would or we just are not that good defensively. Probably a bit of both. A lot of the interior problems are team defense mistakes but those are forced by the perimeter guys not being that good.
It still won't take much for us to tie for the conference title. We just need to win at home and have MSU beat IN and then OSU beat MSU.
Tournaments are weird things and while I think that Indiana is a little bit better than us (maybe Florida too?) we are more or less as good as anyone else in the country.
Purdue may be a trap game since it is sandwiched in between MSU and Indiana. Still, we should win. And we are basically done with road games otherwise. No more home whistles and home crowds against good teams.
Need a bit more physicality. Not sure that that is gonna happen this year, probably not.
I hope Walton and Irvin are good defenders. We won't be as good offensively next year but in the long term we can make up for Burke and possibly Hardaway leaving by replacing guys who are not as good at D with better defenders. I also hope those guys can create off the dribble because right now Burke is the only guy doing that and he'll be gone next year.
Will be interesting to see what happens long term with the mix of post players and the 4 spot. Obviously depends on whether Hardaway goes pro. But if GR3 stays and Hardaway goes and you keep GR3 at the 4 then you have Irvin/Stauskas starting at 2/3 and LeVert has to sub in for both spots w/ Walton/Albrecht at point. Then GR3 at the 4 w/ one of the bigs as his backup. If you have a roster of 11 guys, assuming Burke and Hardaway gone, don't see how you can have 5 of the 11 sharing 1 post spot between Donnal, Morgan, Horford, McGary and Bielfeldt. I expect we'll have to consider playing 2 bigs more of the time w/ McGary or Donnal at the high post and possibly move GR3 to the 3. Or else bring in a last second recruit to play the wing but that is unlikely to be a high level player. Lots of variables but this roster looks like it is drifting to be more of a traditional one with a bigger 4 rather than what Beilein has been running. It's been fascinating to watch his system evolve as the talent gets better and I've been amazed at how adaptable he is.
Youth may be an issue but its not like every other top team is playing with SRs. Here are my observations.
We can't play in a set offense, our guys rely on motion to get spacing. When we can't pick and roll out bigs, we're screwed.
Nobody but Burke wants to take a shot when the games close. We often play timid on O resulting in shooting a force three.
Our D is mediocre. No effort, no rotation. Easy buckets.
Coach B has got to coach better in the late minutes of a game with the lead. There's no reason to take 3s possession after possession when up 5-7 pts with 2 mins left.
Ultimately I think we end up a 2 seed and make a run to the elite 8 or so, I just don't think we can play D well enough or get points in the paint to go all the way.
Have you watched Hardaway at all in his three years here? He is the definition of wanting to take the big shot and most of the time he makes it.
A few facts to consider:
Michigan has the easiest close to their schedule - 4 home games and 2 roads game (PSU & Purdue)
Michigan is undefeated this season thusfar at Crisler
We're all going to feel pretty silly in a few weeks when we've run the table on our last 6 games and earned a share of the conference title.
I think they have had a great season so far. However, I'm still dissapointd because at one point I thought this was a final 4 caliber team. The last 4 games have changed me mind.
I do not think this is an elite team. Indiana looked cleanly better than us, and so has Ohio State. The offense wilts whenever we face a good defense. MSU... well, given what we saw this weekend it seems to me that if we play them 100 times, we'll get clobbered 100 times. Here's hoping I'm wrong.
Good news! You don't have to hope. This game was an anomaly. All the stars just happened to align. I wouldn't be surprised if we were small favorites in the rematch.
thrilled if Michigan was 2nd or 3rd in the B1G and a possible 2nd or 3rd seed in the NCAA before the season started. So it was a fun ride going undefeated but the reality of being a very young team is sinking in. The program is still on the upswing and we will be competing for the B1G championship for years to come!
I recall one past UM team that started the season ranked #3 (comparable to this year's rank #5). That team rose to as high as #2 (just as this year's rose to #1). Then, that team, like this year's, ran into trouble in the mid to late season. Their rank fell to #13. The team finished the regular season ranked #10 (which may not be too much worse than where UM is ranked this coming Monday).
Talk about disappointment: just as this year's team has thus far fallen from a projected #1 seed in the NCAA tourney, that year's team fell from a #1 seed--and #2 national ranking-- all the way to a #3 seed in the NCAA tournament.. What happened? Critics pointed fingers everywhere--from the players to the coaches, especially the HC. Indeed, it was so bad that it would have made a coach wonder if he had the right job. Yet, the worst was yet to come. The doom and gloom in Crisler Arena was so bad that it would, seemingly, have made Fritz Crisler turn over in his grave.
Just before the NCAA tournament, the HC was found to have accepted a job elsewhere. And he would not even coach the team through the tourney. Shockingly, before he could finish coaching the team through the NCAA's and then leave, he was abruptly "fired" by the AD.
You'd think that the loss of their leader would have crushed the sprits of that team. With the situation far worse than it it now, the team certainly would fall apart; the players give up, all hope vanish.
But by now, I am sure you have guessed what happened.
Illinois curb-stomped us AT CRISLER to end the regular season that year. It was nothing but doom and gloom entering the NCAA tourney. How quickly things changed.
In fact, didn't IL beat us twice in the regular season? Then we beat IL in the final four to get us to the finals.
Not many of us were expecting that. I think that IL was a big favorite.
the team is soft and I don't see anyone trying to be tougher...both mentally and physically. I am most disapointed in the lack of offensive plays...they need to do more than run pick n rolls w/ burke. Run some staggered screens for Hardaway or Staskus (I assume he can shoot more than 3's and dunks).
i agree, guys like Stauskas are too good of shooters to be standing in corner and waiting to jack up a shot. run some sets for him off one or two screens like we use to see with Rip Hamiltion.
Is there anyone who, at the beginning of the season, would have been "disappointed" with a 21-4 record at this point? Young teams always hit a rough spot, when coaches adjust to them. Now, they have a few weeks left to adjust to the adjustments.
The losses were in the four toughest places to win in the Big Ten. This team is fine. It is much better to hit the rough spot now than in March.
Remember Titanic? Our 4 game tough stretch went about as well as Titanic did.
That said, I think a bold prediction is to go 6-0 to finish the season. We are 29-1 at Crisler (FUUUUU PURDUE ON SENIOR DAY SRSL!?), so if we win the games we should (twice against PSU, Illinois, and @Purdue) then it's going to come down to the magic of Crisler.
I'm not quite sure what to think of the MSU matchup on the 3rd, originally I was expecting to split with them, home team winning each, but that was before their evisceration of our bball team when we were down 31 points or something stupid like that.
I'll say we drop 1 more game of the regular season, no conference title barring some pretty significant upsets (which, like, totally could happen Illinois/Indiana HALOL).
And you know what? That's not that bad at all, especially in what turned out to be a brutal, brutal Big Ten.
We're solidly a 2 seed for the tournament, and that's what really matters. Personally, I'm not all that interested in the Big Ten Tournament, despite the potentially awesome matchups, because we don't need to get beaten up right before going into the NCAA tournament (see our most recent 4 games to see how well our tired/beat up team does away from Crisler). Wouldn't even fret about an early exit from that.
The past 4 games have really taken a lot out of the other 21, we're in excellent shape, and JB deserves tons of credit for bringing us out of the crater of NCAA sanctions and the basement of the Big Ten. If we can sustain 25+ win seasons, who would complain about that?
Saw JMo at church last night praying for experience
Saw JMo at church last night praying for experience
Just realied I joined 2/22/2012 which i kinda cool
Great post at umhoops analyzing what's gone wrong.
-Two point D has fallen off a cliff in past four games, 40% in first 8 B1G games vs. 54% in last 4. Reasons: Morgan injury, Stauskas being exposed.
-Offense has become too P&R focused. Scoring from transition and cutting have declined dramatically. This has most effected GRIII who gets most of his points from those two sources.
Diagnosis: Get Morgan healthy. Concentrate on getting rebounds because UM's impossible to stop in transition.
Beilein has Michigan ranked in the top 5 well into February with a squad that clearly isn't top 5 in terms of talent, experience, or depth. He's been playing with house money the entire season as far as I'm concerned. It was inevitable that the chickens would come home to roost at some point, but even the extent of it has been overstated. We lost a competitive road game to the #1 team in the country. We lost another road game to a solid tourney-bound team on what was essentially a lucky shot. We beat Ohio. The loss at MSU was admittedly ugly, but with our level of inexperience (are there any other top 10 teams that play as many freshmen as we do?), we were bound to have one of those at some point. It sucks that it came against our biggest rival, but at least we have an opportunity to avenge it.
It looks like IU will run away with the B1G title, but without any true road games after the end of the regular season, I don't see any reason why we can't at least make some noise in the B1G tournament and the NCAA tournament.
You don't think we have Top 5 talent?
Let's see, our PG is a legitimate candidate to win National Player of the Year and he's a lock to be a 1st round pick in this years draft.
Hardaway and GR3 are both projected as 1st rounders This year. Although, I'd argue neither should leave.
Stauskas and McGary will both most likely have careers in the NBA, at the very least they will have a few years in the league.
This isn't the 1990s, for a team in 2013 we are loaded with talent. I understand it's been awhile since we've been good in basketball but come on guys...it was 1 game. A truly horrible game but this happens in basketball. Look around
This stat should bring everyone off the ledge: of all the teams in contention for the B1G title, we're the only ones who haven't lost any games that we had no business losing. MSU and Wisconsin both lost to Minnesota. Wisconsin also lost to Iowa. OSU got blown out by Illinois. And Indiana had a meltdown in the last 3 minutes against Illinois that cost them the game.
The only game we lost that we arguably should have won was the game at Wisconsin. And when you lose a road game in overtime to a ranked team because of a half-court buzzer beater, there's not much more you can chalk that up to than "shit happens".
Was a kick in the balls. This team is the best Michigan team in many years with a ton of athletes. The thing that stands out in the losses has been the play of the freshman. McGary is the only one showing improvement at this point in the season. Blame that on the freshman wall, scouting, whatever you want but how they adjust and getting Jordan Morgan healthy will be key. Burke and Hardaway are established, it will come down to how far the youngsters can take them.
I'm not sure how far this team will go in March. I can stil see an Elite 8 appearance if things go well but at the same time could see us ousted in the Sweet 16 (MAYBE even second round to a bad match-up with a 8 or 7 seed). This team just has too many flaws. Many times those flaws are covered up by good-great play by Trey and THJ and some good "plays" here and there by other guys. But when our maing guys are shut down we have no back-up plan. A dirty-good defensive team, as we just saw (and saw against Ohio) could spell the end of the season for us.
GRIII is a bit of an issue. What people aren't realizing is how much of a role in the offense he hasn't been, even all season. He's put up good numbers through the fist 3/4 of the season BUT much of that came from transition, which isn't anything to sneeze at, and clean-up type-plays. His deficiency in the set offense shouldn't be mezmerizing. It shouldn't be this bad, either. The shots he took the other night were horrendous. He took a shot off a dribble at the free-throw line and he took a wide open three off a drive-and-dish. The shots were not confident in any way. What to do about that....
This team lacks the right DNA, plain and simple. They are talented but not the competitors they need to be in really big games against top opponents intent on beating us. That's particularly troublesome when you are probably the most despised school in the conference and everyone will be juiced for you.
We saw the ultimate proof of this in the State game. They are the ultimate competitors, and we had no answer for the emotion and hatred.
It starts at the top, and for all Beilein does right, he doesn't have the burning desire to win like Izzo, Crean, and Motta. Instead of getting pissed off and going up a player's ass when he needs to, he takes a drink of water or talks to them like they're a two year old that forgot to use the potty.
As a result, we'll lose more often than not when our rivals have comparable talent. And that will be most of the time.
For some reason our offense has changed, Beilein is trying to use Burke's talent and by doing so he has created a mess IMO. The offense now involves way too much dribbling and basically ball screens for trey. The defense really doesn't guard GR3, Mcgary, and even leave THJr and stauskas, though they are staying at least close enough to contest the 3. The offense has become VERY easy to defend causing us to settle for jump shots. We have also struggled on defense with our rotations, leaving people wide open, losing 3/4 to the best competition we have faced all year, teams have shot the lights out on us. Finally, we appear to be very soft, this goes along with our defense. Overall, Beilein needs to reconfigure the offense to get more movement toward the hoop instead of having Mcgary or Morgan set a high screen for Burke while he dribbles around or throws it out to a perimeter guy to shoot a 3. If we don't improve offensively and defensively, we will not get out of the 1st weekend in tournament.
Michigan State is still and will continue to be the better bball team in Michigan until Belien recruits better big men to match up with them. You can't continue to throw a small forward out there as your powar forwerd. We too small for the Spartens.