Dawkins over Robinson?

Submitted by Chicken22 on

Duncan Robinson went 1-4 on threes vs NW and most of them were open looks. Duncan played 21 minutes and Dawkins played 19. But what was suprising was when the game was really close at the end, Dawkins was playing and Robinson was on the bench. Is Dawkins going to start playing more?

FauxMo

February 25th, 2016 at 10:56 AM ^

Not only do I think we should replace Robinson with Dawkins in the line-up, but I think we should pull Robinson's scholarship, have him withdrawn from classes, send him back to DIII (no, make that D4), and then, when all that's done, we should salt the earth around his parents home so nothing can grow again.

funkywolve

February 25th, 2016 at 12:48 PM ^

I'd say MSU still has a legit shot at getting a share of the Big Ten title. 

MSU's remaining schedule:  PSU, @Rutgers, OSU

IU's remaining schedule:  @Illinois, @Iowa, Maryland

Maryland's remaining schedule: @Purdue, Illinois, @IU

Iowa's remaining schedule:  @OSU, IU, @UM.

Out of those 4 teams MSU easily has the softest remaining schedule.  

BlueKoj

February 25th, 2016 at 1:27 PM ^

Give IN back Blackmon and take off Ferrell and another senior contributor (Max B). They are not in 1st. Take off Valentine and another senior. Take off Uthoff and another SR contributor. I wonder would any of these teams have 20 & 10 right now?

BlueKoj

February 25th, 2016 at 1:39 PM ^

No team is immune from regression when their best player and POY candidate goes down. The "injury card" comments and "next man up" comments aren't objective. Injuries happen. Teams deal with them. Some you can coach/recruit over...some are too big to do that. 

TrueBlue2003

February 25th, 2016 at 3:10 PM ^

All the whining and excuse making about losing our best player hides the fact that we weren't that good with Levert, and got blown out against the three best teams we played with him, and once again we weren't the top 25 team we were projected and expected to be BEFORE the injuries.  

We have the WORST 2pt% defense in the conference.  Worse than Rutgers.  That is because our interior defense consists of Mark Donnal, Zak Irvin and Duncan Robinson and our guards not named Rahkman can't keep anyone out of the paint.  Levert and Spike weren't gonna help there and it's nearly impossible to be good team if you're horrendous at doing the most important thing on defense: prevent teams from getting to and/or finishing at the rim.

The team is bad at defense.  It's not regression from injuries people are frustrated with, it's the mediocre baseline before that regression even took place, with no apparent solution in the near future.

BigBlue02

February 25th, 2016 at 1:43 PM ^

Fans aren't the head coach and I would guess if Beilein had used "weird guys" in a press conference and continued to complain about injuries, we would be pretty critical. Shit, half the board wanted Beilein fired earlier this year and he has barely mentioned playing without Caris and Spike

maizenblue92

February 25th, 2016 at 12:12 PM ^

If I recall, when Michigan State had all those injuries they were losing more games than they normally do, including to Michigan. That losing skid prompted the "Weird guys" comment from Izzo that lives in this blog's lore to this day.

BlueKoj

February 25th, 2016 at 2:05 PM ^

Appling missed 5, Dawson 10 and Payne 9 starts. During the games where at least one guy missed a start Sparty was 9 - 6 including two Ls vs UM. Once all guys were back they finished 7-2 including B1G tourney win and an Elite 8 run. 

They did not win nearly as much with injuries. They won when healthy and lost a lot when hurt. 

JCV16

February 25th, 2016 at 11:52 AM ^

(1) Appling Injury: you are correct. I exaggerated. He only missed a few games. gold star. 

 

(2) Why does it matter how dawson hurt himself? The point is they kept winning without one of their best players. Ditto with Payne. 

 

(3) The fact that Izzo had a talented, deep, experienced roster and beilein does not is not some random act of God. It is by virtue of Izzo doing a better job of managing his roster than beilein. This is part of a coach's job. If you are going to give a coach credit for building a good roster, you can't turn around and give him a pass for building a bad roster. 

 

 

BigBlue02

February 25th, 2016 at 12:05 PM ^

You can't have it both ways. Either the Dawson injury doesn't really count because he did it to himself or you blame Izzo for recruiting someone stupid enough to break his own hand punching a table. Either way, isn't that the year we won the big 10 by three games without one of our best players? Also, fuck off Spartan troll. No one likes you

VectorVictor05

February 25th, 2016 at 1:37 PM ^

(1) MSU's best player that year was Gary Harris, who missed only a couple games

(2) Payne missed 6-7 games at the very beginning of the BigTen season and was there for almost all of their tough tests

(3) Dawson missed time, agreed, but he was arguably their 4th or 5th best player, so....what's your point?  He was also back for the stretch run.

Also, you're comparing apples to oranges.  That MSU team was ranked #1 in the country at multiple points early in the year, had FOUR former 5 star recruits - 2 of them seniors (Payne/Appling), 1 junior (Dawson), and 1 Soph (Gary Harris).

Mich Bball doesn't have depth because all of their good players went pro early, something that almost never happens at MSU.  The homer point of view is that Beilein is just a much better developer of talent than Izzo.  The flip side is that Izzo is a better recruiter of top level HS talent, and has a better "system".  It's probably somewhere in the middle, like everything.

Bottom line - your comparison sucks.  Losing your two senior leaders that happen to be your best player and the best complementary "first guard off the bench" in the league is something that would take any team down a notch.

Steve in PA

February 25th, 2016 at 12:05 PM ^

Depth. JB has only had it once in his 9 years at Michigan. That was The Year. I believe that team's 6th man who who played so good in practice is the same player who basically hasn't played for 2 years because of injury.

 

Until JB manages to recruit better there will be no consistency. I very much like the current sophomores but how well they do going forward will be dependent on the next incoming class.

BigBlue02

February 25th, 2016 at 12:42 PM ^

Last year as freshmen, they went 8-10 in the B10 when they were thrust into starting spots due to injury. This year, nearly every one of them has gotten better, minus Doyle, who only got worse because another sophomore took a huge step forward. They have at least 10 B10 wins this year with a chance for more. Next year I have no problem saying We have a very good chance to win the B10 if everyone stays healthy. I say this because we bring back this exact team, just a year older and more experienced. They went from a young team that lost close games, to a slightly older teams that won those games but lost to better teams. The progression would be that next year they continue to beat teams they should, beat more of the top half of the B10, and lose close games on the road.

N. Campus Tech

February 25th, 2016 at 12:57 PM ^

Dawkins looks worse. Is this due to an actual regression in abilities, or a decrease in available minutes? 

Doyle is definatley worse, and that has nothing to do with Donnal's improvements

MAAR is now my favorite player on the team. 

Chapman is only better because he couldn't get any worse. In all seriousness, last year he looked completely lost on the court and was a liability. This year he has looked ok in his limited minutes.

"Next year I have no problem saying We have a very good chance to win the B10 if everyone stays healthy. I say this because we bring back this exact team, just a year older and more experienced."

We said the same thing last year. I guess it got us 2 (and counting) wins.

TrueBlue2003

February 25th, 2016 at 3:50 PM ^

didn't just get passed up by a better player though to get relatively worse as you imply.  He got absolutely worse and it's hurting the depth because if we was even as good as he was last year, our backup center wouldn't be as much of a dropoff.  

He's turned it over at nearly twice the rate he did last year.  His Ortg is down, blocks rate is down.

CorkyCole

February 25th, 2016 at 12:45 PM ^

Actually, I will rephrase my statement. Yes, of course they competed. Every team competes when playing another team. You don't have to compete well to compete. To go along with this, MSU may have competed but they didn't win at a rate you are implying. "Win" was the word you were looking for but couldn't say because it would then be a lie. Therefore your argument further supports the notion that at least Beilein can still win games without his best players. Maybe not every game, but enough to warrant a (more than likely) tourney bid. The seasons Izzo played with the "weird guys," the "weird guys" were back on the bench by the time the tourney hit.

JCV16

February 25th, 2016 at 11:23 AM ^

and he is 7th in the conference with 10 healthy scholarship players, 9 of whom have experience in the program. He would have 11, but he booted max bielfeldt FOR AN EMPTY SCHOLARSHIP.

Look at indiana's roster. Ohio State. Wisconsin. Those are better rosters?

He has 3 juniors and 3 sophomores with lots of playing experience.  Being tied for 7th in the conference is not impressive. 

 

 

JCV16

February 25th, 2016 at 11:37 AM ^

about my points. I knew I would get negged to oblivion once I strated criticizing beilein, because any sharing of criticism of coaches or players gets you an auto-neg. Of course, in retrospect, once those people get let go, it becomes gospel that you have to blame everything on them (rich rod, hoke, etc). No hyporcirsy there! People are reflexively defending beilein despite multiple major failures and I will call it out. Enjoy your precious points.