What a stud AD.
David Brandon on Rich Rod
Secondary was hit by A-bomb of transfers, injury, criminal element, and 5-star flameout. Sucks to be Michigan defense right now but that is the fact.
Ask folks how things are going in South Bend after the Lost Decade, USC (Bushgate), Florida (coach on suicide watch and half the team in the pokey), Texas (how can you suck that bad with ten years of top-five recruiting classes), "Bama (what? we lost?)...etc etc.
We are Nebraska three years ago. In three years, will we be Nebraska of today? It's quite possible.
Nah. That would mean Denard isn't part of the success, since he'll graduate before then. I say next year is the year.
...if Campbell finally takes that big step, the LB positons become less important (Roh will play one, Demens might take the MLB, as Rod is apparently impressed enough that he's pushing for more playing time for him...according to the News). The secondary will be improved and a D-line of Martin-Campbell-Van Bergen (if Campbell finally takes that step, Rodriquez has said he "isn't quite there yet") means the LBs become less exposed.
Please, make the many secondary recruitments the past couple of years have at least a couple pan out (sorry, I had a moment).
We'll start that season off right by rollin' the tide with Senior Denard and Sophomore Dee Hart and won't look back.
we can't just keep blindly extending the due date. When he started it was, "yeah we suck now, but watch out in 2010" then it was 2011 after the disaster of 2008, and now it's 2012, and if he doesn't win next year I bet you would be right back here posting about 2013 being the year, since DG will be a senior that year. I think RR should be given 5 years, to fully implement his system, so if it doesn't happen by 2012, it probably won't ever happen.
I understand the sense of urgency and not wanting to draw things out BUT if Michigan fares as well as I think they might this year, Rodriguez will have posted an 8-4 record in 2010. From 3-9 (2008) to 5-7 (2009) to 8-4 (2010) - that would constitute an outstanding turnaround in three years! I'm not sure what else people want out of him aside from a victory over MSU and/or OSU. I think he has fully implemented his system before even graduating one full recruiting class! His "system" is the offense you're watching. Its as simple as that. People are just going to have to adjust to a new era where the main emphasis is placed on the offense and not on defense like it was in years past. But if the offense keeps scoring 30+ points a game I, for one, am okay with that.
"From 3-9 (2008) to 5-7 (2009) to 8-4 (2010) - that would constitute an outstanding turnaround in three years!"
I get your point - that RR is righting the ship from where his first season ended up, but I am not sure that it could be called a turn around. We were 9-4 in 2007 and 11-2 in 2006, so any improvement is just getting us closer, but still not up to, where we were before.
Also, on the point about his system being the offense, I am ok with that, but I don't see why people believe that having an awesome offense is mutually exclusive with having a good defense. It's not as if RR has to choose - he is allowed to (and hopefully wants to) recruit good players on both sides of the ball. I think that RR gets this.
The problem with relying on an offense to score 30+ points per game in order to have a chance of winning is that all offense, from college to the NFL, are subject to off days. If the QB is off (as we saw last week), or if a star RB goes down with injury, the offense can be limited. It is also possible for opposing teams to scheme well and slow down even a great offense for any one given game. In these situations, a team needs to be able to rely on its defense to keep the game close enough for the offense to win it.
We were 9-4 in 2007 and 11-2 in 2006, so any improvement is just getting us closer, but still not up to, where we were before.
You should really study the depth chart in any given year before you assume that everything was hunkydory before RichRod got here. That 2007 9-4 team had an incredibly mediocre defense (App St? Oregon?), and an offense that literally disappeared after that season.
So when RichRod started out he had a very mediocre defense, nothing on offense, and no backups to speak of on either side of the ball. That is where he started. 2 years later, we have depth and talent on offense, and a young, thin, and still not talented defense.
"Getting back to where we were before" is only a meaningful standard if you understand where we actually were before, as opposed to where we were before in your dreams.
"People are just going to have to adjust to a new era where the main emphasis is placed on the offense and not on defense like it was in years past. But if the offense keeps scoring 30+ points a game I, for one, am okay with that."
This is what we have resorted too? We'll just outscore people on our way to a national championshp? Yeah, right. A great defense still trumps a great offense. Both are nice, but if you can only have one, start with a defense. Otherwise you're just a Purdue with Bree's or a Texas Tech with that bully coach. You'll cleanup on the patsies but get smacked in the mouth by teams with nasty d's.
So you're saying that being 5-1 with the best offense we've seen around here since Crisler was coach, and a loss to MSU that resulted almost entirely from poor execution instead of poor play calling or planning doesn't indicate substantial progress?
What is our baseline for success, then? Can we not call Rodriguez a success until we go 10-2? 11-1? National TItle? Sorry, if he gets to 8-4 or 9-3 this year (which we really should), that's a success. Then, hopefully, we build from that, but at that point any poor seasons would be a downfall, not continued lack of success.
"Sorry, if he gets to 8-4 or 9-3 this year (which we really should), that's a success."
I disagree, but not in the way many would expect. To me, we shouldn't get to 8-4 or 9-3 with this team. The QB is a true soph who barely played last year. We lack a stud RB. Our defense is probably the thinnest in D-1A, made up almost entirely of underclassmen, walk-ons and journeymen.
If we get to 8-4 or 9-3, it is a testament to the coaching and to the way that RR and his staff have cobbled together a functional team with what they have available. How we got to this decimated place and how much blame RR should shoulder is a topic for another thread, but given what he has available today, if we get to 8 or 9 wins, he deserves a shit load of credit IMO.
....not ripping you or anything, but our starting D is made up of 3 seniors, 2 juniors, one fairly highly recruited sophmore, and twoother sophmores. That means that the D is made up almost entirely of non-freshmen.
State was the better team. Anyone who can't admit that has a lot in common with Notre Dame and Penn St. fans. By that I mean they never lose to anyone, they just beat themselves. Michigan will be judged on what they do from here on out. Play solid, competetive ball in the BigTen and win your share of games and RR keeps his job. Who cares if we beat UConn and ND only to finish 3-5 in the Big Ten?
essentially that's where I am with my belief in Coach Rod; I'm 100% behind our coach, but if we are still stinking up the field in 2012...
When reading comments about Coach Rod and how he'll get things done, I believe most of it is based upon what appears to be progress on the field. I think the student athletes he recruits are young men we want representing the maize and blue. I have confidence the coaching staff will continue to improve the team, but what is the other option, starting over? All we need to do is look to ND to see where that might end up; alums and the fan base need to know winning football isn't our birthright, it needs to be earned, so let's be patient and let the man do his job, a job he has a proven track record at.
A2Mike, that is a completely fair decision process. What the hell are you doing on a fan site?
That's hardly an encouraging comparison for RR, because he's more analogous to Bill Callahan, who was reputed to be an offensive mastermind yet also managed to field possibly the worst defenses in Nebraska history. Current NE coach Bo Pelini is a former DC, not an offensive guru.
Callahan's last year was 2007, and NE gave up almost 38 pts per game that year. In Pelini's first season in 2008, that was reduced to 28.5. In 2009, his second season, that came all the way down to 10.5. Fortunately for NE, the head coach's defensive orientation hasn't prevented them from vastly improving their play on the other side of the ball, as their offense right now is pretty high-powered.
I know nothing about what roster issues, if any, Pelini might have faced on either side of the ball. Maybe he was working with the full complement of scholarship players that RR didn't have the luxury of. There's no doubt that having worked recently as Nebraska's DC that Pelini didn't have to start out from ground zero when he took over, in contrast to RR. However, looking purely and only at performance on the field of the whole team, Pelini has done a much more impressive job than RR has, and Pelini took over the same year that RR did.
who tried to destroy every Nebraska tradition. Comparing RR to him should make you embarrassed. If you don't like RR just come out and say it, but comparing him to Callahan is a joke.
For the record, I'm a RR supporter and I think the guy has done everything you could possibly ask to uphold what we think of as Michigan traditions, which is radically different from Callahan. However, I am not in the camp of those who lay all of our problems at the feet of LC and give Rodriguez a complete and total pass for our woes on defense and special teams. I think he's done a poor job in his managing of his defensive coaching staf—two DCs in two years and a LB coach/recruting guy who was let go after two years due to horrible performance on both accounts is hardly a positive, and the problems on defense certainly haven't gone away as of yet.
I wasn't the one who originally compared our situation to Nebraska's, or who was trying to say that RR = Pelini. Trying to equate the Pelini and RR situations is silly. They come to the game from opposite directions—RR on offense, Pelini on defense, and they don't even match up when it comes to their coaching predecessors at their respective schools. If RR is analogous to Bo Pelini, who at UM is Bill Callahan? Lloyd Carr? Obviously that makes no sense.
RR and Pelini are very different coaches at very different schools who entered different coaching situations. As I said in my previous comment, it's likely that Pelini didn't inherit the roster problems that RR did. However, don't try to tell me that the results on the field have been remotely the same for both coaches.
Don, as always this is the most rational statement I have heard on this topic. I too support RR, and at the same time, I too do not feel that supporting RR means blindly praising everything that he does. He is going great on offense. We are progressing nicely. On defense, however, he has been nothing short of a disaster. Changing coaches, poor hires, poor recruiting results (not entirely his fault due to media, losing, etc., but the buck stops with him).
I think that RR will get it right, but share in your criticism. Thanks for injecting a rational opinion on this topic.
Can't read? He didn't do that. Even if he did it would be his opinion and you can go play in traffic if you have a problem with it. I talk to people all the time who don't like RR and think he should go. However, unlike you I don't act like an ass and go all 2nd grade on them.
My point that we are NE three years ago referred to the fact that NE is now playing a dynamic spread offense AND a bruising traditional defense, which we aspire to. Callahan was brought in to blow up the old time NE smash mouth football and replace it with the spread. Unfortunately he was a poor coach and both sides of the ball slipped way below NE standards. Pellini is obviously a good coach who plays spread O and a mean D. If we ever have a potent, exciting smurf-a-licious offense that nobody can catch, PLUS a fast, physical defense, RR will be a hero.
My point is that the two are not mutually exclusive. I think we can expect RR to have dynamic offenses--but if he cannot build a good and occasionally great defense he will be sent packing eventually. My guess is Brandon gives him five years and then takes a good hard look.
...having Suh as a fulltime player (he was a freshmen, then a medical red shirt in Callahan's last 2 seasons), which had to have helped the D :).
Well, someone better get him off. That's right, I will be here all night. Feel free to utilize the open bar.
...and don't forget to tip your waitress...
I don't tip because society says I have to. All right, if someone deserves a tip, if they really put forth an effort, I'll give them something a little something extra. But this tipping automatically, it's for the birds. As far as I'm concerned, they're just doing their job.
Now do the Like a Virgin routine.
dick dick dick dick....
...and for the first time it hurt!
The next time you are in a place where you don't tip and the staff knows who you are, don't be surprised if someone "accidentally" spills a drink on you. I don't know how much I would trust my food, either. I have seen a lot of very bad things happen to "non-preferred customers" in restaurants.
that RR will win big next year because he is a better tipper then Callahan?
Most service industry pay scale is $2.15 + tips; depending on what state you live in. When you run up a $50.00 bar or dinner tab, boss the servers around, then walk out of an establishment with the belief of "haha fuck you, I'm the puppet master so I don't have to tip", you might wanna take a step back and check your head. Hundreds of thousands of college kids are servers and bartenders who rely on paying there bills by receiving customer tips. Also when you don't tip they still have to tip-out to bussers and bar backs. Stick with drive-thru.
Why do I have to be Mr. Pink?
It's movie dialog people. Thank you anyway for your courageous stand against non-tipping.
Why do I have to be Mr. Pink?
Because you're a ******.
You kids and your damn movie quotes.
Toby? Toby Wong. Toby Wong? Toby Wong. Toby Chung? Fucking Charlie Chan. I got Madonna's big dick coming out of my left ear, and Toby...I don't know what...coming out of my right.
Doom: "One lonely evening alone home
End up with carpal tunnel syndrome
Here I am don't forget the heavy back aches
Grown and living off of little Debbie snack cakes"
Man, I haven't listened to that album in years. Time to break it out again tonight.
I've been on an old-school Doom kick lately, listening to a lot of this and Operation Doomsday
Looks like Brandon is giving Rodriguez all the support he could ask for in this situation. Let's hope Rodriguez succeeds in repaying the faith.
He will, the media is just looking for clicks and attention.
Brandon understands recruiting and the last thing he is going to tell a recruit is that "we'll evaluate Coach Rodriguez at the end of the season." That would be the kiss of death. He is going to give him all the support he can and let the chips fall where they may.
Whether or not Coach Rodriguez is here next year remains to be seen. We still have 1/2 the season to play.
a total man of his word or the best actor on the face of the planet. Let's hope it's the former.
Umm remember his Dominos commercials? I'm gonna go with Man of His Word.
Normally, if someone said to me: "A guy told me that a guy told him that this person of interest said ____," I would take it with a grain of salt.
But because it was tweeted... on The Internet, no less!.... I believe it. Oh, how I believe it!
True, but what motive does a UNC recruit have for making this up?
because he knew that if he did, he'd end up getting an mgoboard post and who doesn't want that!
Mr. Brandon, feel free to dip your hand into my hat full of positive superlatives and grab whichever one you'd like.
How did you get Fred Jackson's hat?
How could I not? I heard it was the best, biggest, softest, coolest, most incredible hat in history. I was told it's like if Abe Lincoln's hat and Batman's bat-hat had a baby girl that eventually married and procreated with a gladiator's helmet, except higher-tech, stronger, and more honest.
This is probably the best sub-thread in any topic I've ever had the pleasure of reading. Tremendous. Just tremendous.
I overheard Fred Jackson talking about this sub-thread, and he said it was like the illegitimate lovechild of the original McFarlin post and the Lloyd Brady photoshop post, except with more hilariousness.
+1 for making me think...WTF!?!?
He has one of Fred Jackson's air pistol's and is not afraid to use it!!!
I posted this before, but i'll post it again.... the site takes a while to load, but well worth it:
I loves me some Dave Brandon
Did he say anything about GERG? lol
tweet deleted or hidden?
I am wondering the same thing. I don't see this tweet anywhere.
feldman rted it too so it was there at one point
We are so fortunately he is the AD. RR & Gerg won't be going anywhere.
Rich Rod's continued employment is Brandon's call. GERG's continued employment is Rich Rod's call. Different situation.
However, because RR will be here, and because DB will not interfere with his staffing, I believe that Gerg will be given two years to perform by RR, minimum. This is sufficient time for him to show significant improvement, hence, RR & Gerg will both be here a long time, at least as long as they want to be here.
I'm not sure why you assume this. There is no particular reason to assume that RR feels like his job security is dependent on GERG's continued employment. The two men had no history together before 2009. The fact that RR sacked Shafer after the 2008 season suggests that he's willing to make a staff change if he feels it's for the best.
I really love DB. Think about all he has done. Night game, playing Bama in 2012, permanent lights. And, he did it with class all the way. A true businessman, down to his attention to PR.
As someone who took JJ's negotiation class, keep in mind that DB has nothing to lose by saying this. Just sayin'.
Absolutely correct. There has been no official contract extension. However, DB always stated he supports Coach Rod, but this seems like a vote of confidence in a more major way. I am probably getting ahead of myself though.
I had JJ for secured transactions. Straight shooter, that guy. Was never afraid to tell a kid that he was full of shit. Kind of ironic.
Step 2 is University President. Step 3 is political office. Watch.
There's no doubt in my mind that he's going to wait for the Levin seat to open up in either 2014 or a special election after that.
There's a lot of doubt in my mind about that. I think by taking the AD job, he basically ruled out further political involvement.
.....and 75% of the idiots living in it -- but Meeechigan, well lets not screw with a good thing. Give Dave Brandon whatever he wants, whenever he wants it and may it be a long, long, long time before he ever leaves his current position at this University. This state is already #$%^& up, but our athletics are just getting ramped up on so many levels.
Focus people. Focus on what REALLY matters.
The great State of Michigan is in a bad way, but it's rebuilding much like M football. I believe strongly that our state is going to rise from the ashes and kick ass again. But it's going take the commitment of millions of us. I'm all in.
That Rich will be around Michigan does not mean that he will be the head coach of Michigan for a long time. In fact, if he does "fail" (which I do not expect), I believe most committed Michigan fans would prefer him to stick around as perhaps... Offensive Coordinator? Now, I know that is not how things are usually done, and that a new coach typically brings a new system, but it is a loophole in which David Brandon can keep his word (and perhaps an exciting prospect, if idealistic).
I've never known a head coach being paid a multi-million dollar salary to step aside for another head coach. RR will stay here a long time because he's proven he's able to do what those who proceeded have done. He's building a team that will consist of more high quality college football players than the majority of his conference counterparts.
Any lean years we've experienced since the arrival of Bo can be attributed to years in which we were forced to play young, inexperienced players, not unlike the two most recent seasons, and still in effect on the defensive side of the ball.
He's actually put together a very dangerous offense that is about as 180 as you can get from what we have known for the better part of two decades, and he's done so quickly. Hell, he's not ever half-way through his original contract and the pieces are coming together. In this instance, I don't think Brandon is stretching the truth at all. He can see what's going on, and he is aware of the youth factor on the team also.
Say huh? Realistic? RR would not stay to be the OC, you can be assured of that at least.
You have to be kidding. No HC of RR's stature would ever remain in a program in a reduced role.
David Brandon also told Williams not to believe the people who say RR has to win a certain number of games to keep his job. He said that RR will be here for a long time and will win a few national championships at UM.
UM is 5-1.Furthermore, to even hint otherwise would be detrimental to UM. Brandon is doing what any AD would do.
I don't get this "what else is he going to say?" meme. Brandon went out of his way to personally speak to the recruits. And he explicitly told them that RichRod is going to be here for a long time.
He didn't have to do that. But somehow in your mind "didn't have to do that" is equal to "he had no choice." This is very weird thinking.
It's just AD speak.
Dave Brandon did not have to speak to all the recruits in this past weekend, and he did not have to mention RichRod's job security. Yet he did do those two things.
It's not "AD speak" if ADs normally don't do this.
I have a mancrush on David Brandon.
We are so lucky to have this guy.
I agree with some of the sentiment that DB may have other motivations. Howeva...having worked with DB I have to say he is a man of his word. He is the AD for 5 years, and I would count on him for those 5 years, unless we hear of an extension of course, everything said, DB has M in his best interest, rest assured. I would not count on any career movements any earlier than his current contract.
Carman must have taken it off his feed once he realized it was being retweeted everywhere.
So most of you believe RR is the answer? So be it, make a change in D Coordinator during the bye week. GERG has failed at every objective expected of a coach. His players are not fundementaly improving. He is not recruiting at all. The tone and culture of the defense is horrid.
The D Cord has to manage the system. RR makes no bones about the fact he is an offensive coach and relys on his DC to handle half the team.
Select a current position coach that has the ability to motivate and bail water while plugging some of the huge leaks in the hull.
Pay a sh** hot position coach from a succesful defense to come in this winter. By making this change, we lose nothing. We are currently the worst defense in the nation with no influx of talent expected due to lack of recruiting.
Some of you kool aid drinking fools sound like State fans from 5-6 years ago. "Oh John L will bring us around, just give him time, he climbs mountains."
Take that weak-ass humpty-bumpty and go troll elsewhere. Also, I am billing you for wasting 30 seconds of my time.
All I saw in your comment was "WAAAAH WAAAAH WAAAAH MY BLOODLUST MUST BE SATED WAAAAAH WAAAAAAH"
Other schools are falsely telling recruits that RR is going to be fired after the season.
but what else is he going to say.
Brandon made a special effort to speak to the recruits in this weekend. He could have not done that, or he could have still spoken to them by talking up M without even addressing RichRod's job security.
But he didn't do that. He made a special effort to tell recruits that RichRod is going to be here for a long time.
Jeff Casteel would be at Michigan?