Students "get more into" pretty much everything at the game more than anyone else, it doesn't mean they prefer to listen to crap like Welcome to the Jungle.
Dave Brandon says students actually aren't showing up
This was my last season as a Student Football Season Ticket holder. I enrolled in 2007 and got to experience the ups-and-downs of the Final Lloyd Carr year, made it to EVERY home game (save for Minnesota as I moved off campus that weekend), proceeded to make it to 90% of the RR era games, and never once did I lose interest. The only thing I am losing interest in are the caliber of students Michigan has in the student section. The previous 4 years I met a ton of people I will forever call friends; this year however- tons of bratty "upper classmen" Who act like Fresh-tards. They have no appreciation for the Big House, nor do they actually care about the school.
I am going to miss next season when I will no longer have Student Season Tickets;
-Still need to find out how to apply for Alumni tickets and at least get in the wait to receive them
This may be selfish, but I hope some of these students who have tickets plan on selling a bunch next year as I plan on going to all the home games and one love an opportunity to still sit in the student section even if I will no longer be a student.
Is it always the same 3,500 students? No
When looking at a problem like this you have to identify why a student does not show up at all. They went home for the weekend, lazy (didn't want to spend time trying to sell a ticket), they are hungover, or maybe they just don't care about football that much. Yes, there may be many other cases, but those have to be near the top of the list. We shouldn't attack the students because they aren't perfect fans showing up 30 minutes before gametime. I agree somewhat with RickH's idea (Not free tickets, but no seating). If the students had a ticket with no section, row or seat number they may feel more incentive to show up early in order to secure the early seats. The downfall to this is that students who plan to show up late might not show up at all if they don't have an assigned seat. How you would counteract that would take some effort on part of the AD think tank.
One thing that has changed since I was there is that the lock on start times is now 12:00 or 3:30.
Most of our games started at 1:00. This turned out to be an ideal start time. It gave enough time to do some tailgating before you headed off to wait in line for the game. You were done in enough time to get back and hang out or study a little bit before dinner, then go out.
12:00 is a pretty harsh start time if you want to do any tailgating or pre-gaming. That's half the fun of being in college. 3:30 games mean a late dinner and not much time if you need to study and still want to go out.
This is not an excuse . . . you should not get tickets if you are not comitted to going, but it is one more thing that throws up a hurdle against the path of least resistence.
Do it like Alabama. Don't do assigned tickets, just general admission for the student section. Additionally make it so that if you miss a certain number of kickoffs/games then you cannot buy tickets the next year, period. Students are at the game at least an hour early at Bryant Denny, maybe we should follow their lead.
It'a a good time to be a student. Why bother to buy a season ticket? So many tickets go unused, it has to be easy to get them for little or no money.
I'm sorry but Dave Brandon must by lying. I have heard over and over here on the board that the students are merely squeezing into the lower section of the bowl and that in actuality, they are all there and it is merely an optical illusion we are seeing.
Why would Brandon make up a story like this?
RIch Rod era had an effect on the student body. Half of us had at least one year of Rich Rod, and at those pregames the marginal benefit of seeing the kick for a game we would probably lose was much lower than that of one more drink. Not factoring in that one more drink would help to erase the memory of deplorable secondary. Obviously, that doesn't excuse what's going on now or even then, but when your pregame attitude of freshmen and sophomore year is that the kickoff is less important than the preparty because of the quality of the product being put forth, then those things may be perservere through many years.
Have two allotments per year. After the first 4 home games, students who haven't come on time are ineligible to buy the next four. That will effectively eliminate all late/non-attending students from the Ohio game for home years, as well as keep accountability. All student tickets that come open are sold as packages to fans on the general wait list.
If timing is an issue, make the decision on the first 2-3 games for the final 4 to allow for an extra couple weeks or month for calculating and purchasing.
If the issue is getting students to pay twice, have them pay for the season upfront and automatically get kicked out of the system and get 75% refund at the half (so Brandon makes a little more) and second half season tix go to resale for the defunct student seats.
The announced attendance is based on SALES + every additional body inside the stadium. How else can you get 112k+ in a stadium that holds 109k and has empty seats??
There are more student seats than students that WANT to be there.
The rising cost of tickets and the "right" to purchase them continues to go up.
When supply is larger than the demand, the supply is reduced. (Shrink the student section).
That is a no-brainer. Drop the student section by 3,000 in 2013 and if the trend continues, drop it by another 2,000 or more in 2014. If it fills continuosly in 2013, add 1,000 in 2014.
If the AD makes more tickets available to the general public as season tickets, they are GUARANTEED to be sold.(more money and no empty seats).
Again a no-brainer. BUT I think the trend is growing across the B1G except Nebraska that the cost of the PSD + plus the cost of the tickets is reaching a breaking point. $1,630 for two seats to six games, where two of them are Air Force and UMass and no significant OOC game; compared to 2011 when there were eight home games that included ND, Nebraska and OSU for the same price is very telling.
With ND going away and no significant OOC games and a substantial price increase coming soon, the average fan is getting squeezed pretty hard. At $135 per seat per game and half of the games are against lower MAC and bottom of the B1G competition plus food and parking, watching from the comfort of my couch is starting to look better.
My family has had seats at Michigan games since 1956 and this is the first time I have considered not renewing my season tickets. That extra $2,000+ a year toward retirement seems like a good idea, especially with the global economy looking like...
Maybe a carrot would work better than a stick. Charge a bit more for the tickets, and refund the extra money to those students who make it to every game, or enter the students who've attended every game in a lottery to win ipods or something.
When I was there it was hard to go in with the all wonderful stuff to do. Add in crazy long seating lines for that section...
I love U of M football, so I was there early and half sober to make sure I was in my seat.
So you are a junior and you get up, and the frats have tables and lawn games, and the cute guys/girls are there, and there is that thing at that lot and it is really cool, and you mean to go in, but now it is 11:30, so maybe I will wait for the seating line to go down, and I really have to get some food so I don't puke and look bad in front of that cite guy/girl, and wow, we scored, and gosh, this game it all tied up.