Didn't we get in trouble for exceeding a coach limit recently?
"It's a lot easier being a drug dealer than an AAU coach" - this guy. Tell me something I don't know. I mean, don't think but have never tried either.
Didn't we get in trouble for exceeding a coach limit recently?
I hope the NCAA is going to come down hard on OSU and they are only allowing them to do this out of pity
The NCAA doesn't seem to even hide the fact that they are in bed with Ohio, what with allowing the double coaching staff, not caring that Tressel came to speak to the team for the Michigan game- you know, the same coach who got FIRED and caused the NCAA to investigate in the first place. The fact that Urban Meyer took the job in the first place, tells you that he must've had reassurances from someone in the know, that the NCAA "hammer" that's about to drop, is going to be more like an NCAA "feather". Frankly, the NCAA hypocrisy is disgusting.
I think it would be ok if it was just limited to the incoming HC. In most of these situations, much/most of the existing staff is not being retained so in a way they are at a recruiting disadvantage. But the way I read the NCAA waiver, Ohio could actually hire an entirely new staff and thereby have 10 guys out recruiting full-time while the staffs of most other teams are preparing for bowl games. That is crazy. Well, it would be crazy if it weren't a decision made by the NCAA.
I want to know how he feels about it. That way msm will care.
Oh How I Hate, Ohio State
We beat him when he had Jesus at QB in Florida and that will continue now. He did such a great job recruiting down there that now that the team is full of his guys they're a joke. He saw what was coming and bailed out under the guise of "health issues." Yeah I'm shaking over here. OHIO fans will be running him out of town soon enough. Urban Cooper.
They'll probably get a waiver from the NCAA to bring Meyer's boyfriend Jesus back for 4 more years of eligibility
Oh where to begin..
-the comment was in regards to the NCAA providing an exemption. So your first 'point' makes no sense.
-nobody is shaken to the core - we say 'bring it on' because as long as your asshats aren't allowed to de facto pay players, we like our odds to beat you more often than not.
-you're not locking up Ohio. Urban's going after Florida kids and hoke has solid roots in Ohio. The whole point is, we're back to the status quo and we're not scared of you in a level playing field. But yet again, the NCAA gives you an advantage. It's odd, yet not enough to worry us. Now go back to the shothole you came from, troll.
Oh sad, they took down the idiot comment I was replying to. Well, you get the idea.
It was hard to figure out how such a diatribe was spawned from 'Oh how I hate Ohio State.' I'm like, was it because he said 'Ohio State?' :)
Actually Urban Meyer himself said the best recruiter in College Football was Greg Mattison. Which is why he hired him at Florida.
Has it really come to picking apart a petty ruling like this?
I feel like this is a pretty common occurence for school who hire a new HC and allow their current head coach to finish out the season.
Wasn't RichRod allowed to start hiring staff when Lloyd Carr finished out his last season? I thought some of the staff he brought over from West Virgina were immediately hired. From my understanding Urban has only hired Tom Herman so far like 2 days ago, I doubt the guy is already blazing through the recruiting trail.
The issue isn't hiring a staff. The issue is allowing them to start acting as coaches while the old staff is also still acting as coaches. There are limits to how many coaches you can have. This let's OSU have double the allowable number and split duties to their advantage.
To my knowledge, RR and his staff (which wan't hired at that point anyway) was not allowed to go on the road recruiting while Lloyd and his staff coached the team.
When RR was hired the assistants he brought over from WV did not start right away. They were busy coaching WV in a bowl game, not out recruiting for Michigan.
Meyer has no staff to bring and has only hired one guy so far, the only other names are currrently on their staff. RR was recruiting, while Carr prep for the bowl...and recruited. Sorry, I'm not defenfing the them, I just don't see the difference, other than they are facing sanctions and why didn't NCAA make that part of their decision.
pretty much making itself unable to set rules and govern college sports.
If DB would have known this was an option, he would have canceled last year's dog and pony show ASAP.
is guilty of failing to monitor ...It's really getting ridiculous .. Im waiting for schools and conferences to break away from the NCAA..
We should all be allowed to hire extra coaches for the holidays.
I share DB's difficulty in understanding this as well, especially given the name that is running the "shadow staff" (at least, this is what it is for the time being), if you will, at Ohio, as the name "Urban Meyer" has some draw, whereas "Luke Fickell" sounds more like a supporting character on "Dennis The Menace". It sounds like by granting this exemption that, once again, Ohio gets an "out" in a sticky situation. If the NCAA really believed in any form of competitive parity in collegiate athletics, it would make schools live with their decisions, right? I applaud our AD for mentioning this.
something. I mean I understand how its profitable for the NCAA to have OSU be a good team but I can't remember EVER hearing something happen like this before. If the NCAA was gonna grant this waiver wouldn't all schools that were making a coaching change do this?
Other schools have received this waiver...they have to apply. The issue is, with pending sanctions why did they allow it? We're asking the wrong question.
This is a sign that Urban Meyer will receive special treatment from here on in, starting with whatever sanctions are coming their way. It would surprise me if the NCAA does anything more than they've already done to themselves.
First, we had the same advantage when RR came to town...yes, we all want to forget! Second, The understanding is, Meyer can build a staff and his organization, but the reality is whomever he hires most likely won't be in place until after 1/1/2012 (yes, I know that's not true for every case, so no need to send links to random articles). As far as recruiting is concerned, well, we were in the same boat when RR came to town but, with their pending sanctions, I sit here scratching my head over this one. I am not so sure sitting around whining about it changes anything. We have a great 2012 class and this has little or no impact to our future.
Big difference between a coach retiring and a coach being fired for violating NCAA rules as a major infraction and not declaring players who he knows are violating those rules ineligible!
That's a quality that both Brandon and Hoke have, and I'm happy to see it. They call it like they see them. Hoke has chastised, but not denigrated, referees when calls are blatantly missed (and affect the games outcome). Both of them have now publicly commented on the coaching situation in Ohio. (Which seems fair, considering that some of our infractions had to do with the number and type of coaches used.)
I hope that when the NCAA punishment is handed down that we'll have a full court press, with the media as our partner in beating the drum, if they aren't appropriate or harsh enough.
I trust Brandon as far as I can throw a semi, but I agree with him on this one. It seems like the NCAA is going out of its way to make sure that THE Ohio State University doesn't really suffer much for their ten-year pattern of cheating.
Perhaps you might recall the QB for OSU when they won their last national championship was from Sterling Heights Stevenson in the Detroit suburbs? After that, you guys have been nothing but the SEC's favorite whipping boys....
If you can't even get your 10 year record against us correct, how can you expect us to take you seriously?
tOSU just didn't hire Smith as their AD because he was a brilliant man. He has connections as he comes to tOSU as the Director of Compliance of the NCAA.
Wait a minute, the point should be that the former OSU coach was fired in an attempt to avoid further sanctions and because he violated specific NCAA rules. Now, how should that be turned into an advantage to allow OSU to have two coaching staffs for the bowl game?
One thing if a head coach is fired or retires for other reasons (DUI, whatever), totally different if it is due to violating NCAA regulations.
1) Last year Ohio played the NCAA for suckers and they still get the consideration
2) That Ohio is currently awaiting sanction notifications and they still get the consideration
3) This waiver provides more advantage than anything that happened uner RR
4) Sends a strong signal to recruites that NCAA is cooperating with Ohio, so do not be wary of sanctions,
If the whole need for two staffs is created by massive violations of NCAA rules, it is an absolute joke that they be given this edge. I'm glad Brandon said something. If anything it should have been more harsh.
Rich Rod was hired on December 17, 2007. He has less than a week to recruit before the dead period and he had no staff to speak of at the time because they were still busy coaching for WVU's bowl game. Urban Meyer was announced as coach at Ohio on November 28, which is giving him about 3 more weeks to recruit than we got with Rich Rod. The NCAA ruling on this is unfair. PERIOD.
what is your point? of course we rely on ohio for recruiting, it has a wealth of football talent and no one here is afraid to admit that. the point is what is normally a difficult task (coaching and recruiting simultaneously) is easier now for ohio because they get two coaching staffs.
It's def a advantage, but don't worry about it too much. After all, we still have not seen any of these recruits play in one college football game.
this is just classic ass material here.
It's almost worthy of a second, "two-weeks-later" version of TWIS.
They don't get it so they won't quit it.